[leadplant]

Now I understand the reasoning behind Ohaze Indica crosses but I'm going to have to disagree some too. Yes, great hybrid vigor can result from these crosses. Yes, indicas have desirable traits like budshape, taste, easier to grow etc. etc.
Everything is great about indicas except the most important one - quality of high and low ceiling. Its couchlock and it will introduce the same element to the bell clear haze buzz. I'd like to see more haze/african or haze/columbo crosses or at least with something besides indicas, skunks, and northern lights. I dunno, maybe I'm going too far because it seems like a Haze/Kush cross could be the grail - but the Haze high needs to be preserved intact without adding body stone to it. So far, I don't think any breeder has really acomplished this.

[leadplant]

Well I dissed indicas but theres ALOT more to that story, alot more than even I know.
Like em or not, we are gonna have to accept some indica blood if one intends on growing indoors. Nothing else it seems will do great under lights. But half indica seems like too much. At least skunk#1 is 3/4 sativa which makes the Ohaze/Sk cross 87.5% sativa. I think even Nevils Haze total sativa percentage is a little lower. OHxSK1 seems like a great cross and alot of the haze characteristics come through and can be electric too. I heard though, that the skunk overpowers the haze smell and taste. I wonder how nute sensitive is the OHxSK1.
I'll be watching your gro Progrowwannabe. Thats a strain I wanna try next.

[ProGroWannabe]

Thanks for stoppin in leadplant!
So far, the O.Haze x Sk1 has wanted a touch more nitrogen than the other haze crosses I have in the cabinet. They are showing me a paler yellow color than the PP's, or Wonder Haze's.

I've been keeping them all a bit hungry so as not to over-fert them. This is my first run with extreme sativas. I've ran a bunch of different sativa doms before, but not like these. I've always read how easy it was to over-fert a haze or nearly pure sativa, so I'm trying to be careful, ya know?

As for "THE STRAIN" to breed the O.Haze with.....LOL....I still don't know for sure what I want. I've went back and forth between a structure oriented cross that would run good indoors, to attempting to bring in a berry-type taste, to just making something as close to heroin as possible...LOL raw "slam ya in the forehead with a hammer" type of high. I just can't seem to make up my mind.

Of course deciding on a goal set, and actually ACHIEVING that goal set are two vastly different things. One other thing that has to be considered in a cross leadplant, is combining ability. Just because we cross two strains, we cannot guarantee that the traits will combine in any pre-conceived combination. I believe that combining ability, coupled with shortening flower times are the biggest reasons folks introduce indica traits to a sativa lineage.

However.....every "haze" that I've found lineage on, was the result of crossing multiple sativas together. So it can be done with great success as long as flowering times are not a major concern with those who the breeder expects will grow them. On the other hand, one could certainly breed with the earlier finishing phenos if he/she has the space to grow several hundred individuals to select from. I doubt one will find an 8-week finisher in ANY pure sativa or haze line, but one could certainly expect to shave a few weeks off of a 20 week finisher through selection, perhaps more.

Personally, I'm not concerned with finish times to any degree. So that is not gonna be very high on my list of goals. I'm just gonna continue to have an open mind. Once I get the cross, or crosses figured out, I'll be sure to let everyone know.

My take on the indica x sativa thing is simple - find the right indica! Not all indicas are heavy and couchlocky, there are indicas that have heady highs with little body stone, those are the ones that should be used to adapt extreme sativas for indoor growing imho.

This is precisely why I chose my Purple Afghan male to hybridise the Thai and Ghanaian (Jahwi's Joy) sativas I recently worked with, the PA is a mellow, daydreamy, heady high with no couchlock yet has the desired indica traits - compact structure, dense flowers, short flowering time.

A few packs of each of these PA x sativa crosses will be listed on the auctions here shortly.

[ProGroWannabe]

That's a great point BH, that not all indicas are couchlockers. Thanks for that. Your knowledge and experience is always refreshing.

[leadplant]

Great point about combining ability PGW. I can recall a recent diary where a haze/kush cross turned out leafyish compared to others x's. Bummer - I'd sure like to see a haze/"the white" cross! Another cross I'm intrigued with wallyducks c99/haze but that might finish too fast - like 10 weeks. It seems like a haze needs a long time to finish in order to develop its finer essences and I too dont mind longer flowering times. So that OHxSK is supposed to be nute sensitive but still likes a liitle more N? That sounds tricky bro. Everytime I've lagged with N fert and let the fans get yellowish - they never come back. In fact, I've had nothing but trouble with liquid ferts. I have vowed on the next sativa run to make a "water only" soil+dry nute mix and mostly ditch the liquid stuff.

BH, that purple afghan cob is outrageous, AND its a heady sativa type high to boot? Now thats a keeper. I'm assuming thats landrace too so it ought to be stable. It sure looked vigorous.
Are there any other indica strains known to have a heady buzz? I've heard that Paradises's Belladonna is that way but it probably just hearsay.

[ProGroWannabe]

leadplant....As for the whole N thing, I don't let the leaves actually go "yellow". I just make sure that they stay a pale green as opposed to feeding them tons of N in a failed attempt to make them dark green.

I expect to make my share of mistakes with these....this N thing might be the first one...lol. I think I've got them on the right track though.

[bigherb]

how bout crossing a purple indica ,purple kush ,hashplant ,affie ,malawi gold ,kona gold ,highland thai or colombian wackyweed to ur o.haze

[ProGroWannabe]

Those are certainly some good options bigherb, thank you. I wanted to try a cross with British Hempire's Purple Afghan, but that will have to wait for now. I definitely don't want to keep the flowering time at 16 weeks, so a pure Thai is probably not for me in this particular project. The affie is a possability. If I could find a pure Colombian, I might be interested in that one, even though it most likely wouldn't bring down the flower time very much.

I have a friend that is working on getting me a strongly indica-dom strain that he has called Bluetooth. That's gonna be round one.

[bigherb]

progrowannabe

hows it goin bro ,any updates?

hav u got that bluetooth or ur ultimate indica ?

id lov to see a o.haze affie cross more than luv but ace seeds has som very nice sativas hybrids
paticularly panama = cross of colombians n panamanians
tikal = guatemala sativa x kush/haze 75 sativa /25 indica

time is somthin we all neva hav enough of, but quality is somthin we all need more of
so i think you should consider afropips pure african sativas maybe nigerian or swazi red pure landraces wit exceptional finsh times also many amazing hybrids

best of luck wit ur project keep us posted
1 luvbigherb