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Old 10-02-2008, 08:54 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey folks! I am new to the Farm but not really new to gardening and after reading Zoo's great post on cloning I thought I might share a method I use. A couple buddies of mine asked me to do a pictorial on the technique so I'll share it with you guys as you seem like a really good group. I must say I have not seen any of that BS back stabbing crap here like other forums have, COOL!!!!!!

I grow in a hydroponic system, rockwool as a medium for clones and hydroton for a growth medium. This entire system is built on one premise "speed". Hydro is fast so you have to keep up with it. If I wait for the clones to grow naturally it doesn't keep with the demand, so I "force" them to clone. Foregot to mention, I don't use mothers for cloning purposes, the previous generation provides the clones.

The donor plants in this thread are rooted 14 day old clones themselves. After the plants are rooted and new growth starts I trim off the newest growth just above the first new leaf. The amount trimmed off is tiny as you will see in the pics. Within 2 weeks there will be new growth from all the lower nodes which will become the new clones.

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Old 10-02-2008, 09:06 PM   #2 (permalink)
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you cool. do you always clone of clones for your next crops?
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Originally Posted by BITYmagicBeanz View Post
you cool. do you always clone of clones for your next crops?
Thats what I do, clones from clonesand on it goes. Kindoff a cycle.
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Old 10-03-2008, 07:51 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by BITYmagicBeanz View Post
you cool. do you always clone of clones for your next crops?
I keep a plant or so back each crop just as insurance but yes, cloning from clones is my primary source of propagation. Actually the plants in the test are spare's and will be tossed in the end, this project is for information purposes only.

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Old 10-03-2008, 07:55 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Man this is a cool thread , I like how ya say these ones are just to spares and will get tossed since thats what I'm doing with mine LOL . Hey atleast we stay in training this way .
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jadins are you rooting those tiny leaves that are shown at the base of those pots in the 3rd picture? I'm confused a bit.
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Zoolander, your kind words are appreciated. If I am counting correctly this is about the 13th or 14th generation of this plant but my girls in flower currently are only the 5th generation I have had time to flower out. If I could only count the number of clones and clonig methods I have tried and tossed LOL.

hererisssh, let me try and explain just a bit better. Those tiny little cuttings in the third pic in this thread are trash. All they are is the very tiniest growth tip which is cut off and discarded, this forces the clones to produce new growth at each node of the plant, this new growth will eventually be the source of my clones for the next generation.

I'll pos 2 pictures here to help. The first is plant #1 as it was topped off, the second is the same plant at 42 hours post topping. If you look close at the lowest 2 nodes of this plant you will see the new growth already appearing in just this short amount of time, this new growth is what I am "forcing" the plant to produce.

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This is certainly a tried and true method of forcing the plant to branch. I and plenty of other growers I know use this technique with great success. Its pretty good to do to flowering plants as well, more branches all stretching to be the dominant cola.

Imagine what the plant would look like if you used this technique on a mother plant.
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Originally Posted by jadins_journey View Post
Those tiny little cuttings in the third pic in this thread are trash.
Thanks that makes much more sense. I thought you had found a way to clone pieces that tiny. This is a good tutorial jj, thanks.
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Smoking Gun, thanks for visiting this little thread. If I tried to claim that I envented topping well heck I would be laughed off the internet. What this threads purpose is for maybe a new gardener can pick up a new skill as cloning can be a bit intimidating, well it was for me when I started.

For the more experienced gardeners out there like yourself maybe this thread will show what hydroponics can do, don't know but I have some down time in the garden right now and some equipment that needs a test run so stick around my new friend.

Today is day 4 after topping, new growth is starting in earnest now. Every node has a new stem coming off, an initial count shows these 4 clones will yeild 16 viable cuttings.

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