popular bloom additive recipe

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This is mainly geared to big time growers or a few buddies going in on supplys to maximize funds in tough economic times

I recently went to a fertilizer manufaturing supply company and took along my trusty bottle of M**B which is a granular bloom booster. This is what they told me..........

I don't want to be sued so M**B will have to suffice I am sure some will guess and be so kind as to fill the other readers in ;)

M**B consists of 3 ingredients which are listed on the package from largest proportion to least

1st is simply Mono-potassium phosphate which is known as MKP 0-52-34
it sells through fertilizer companies locally for 48.50 for 25kgs This 25kg bag is enough to make 27.53 1kg size containers of M**B

2nd is Mono-Ammonium Phosphate, which is known as MAP and is 11-52-34
This also sells through fertilizer companies locally for 110.00 for 25kgs
hopefully you can find it in a smaller quantity than I could as it is enough to make 275 1kg containers of M**B

lastly there is thiamine hydrochloride. online chemical lab supply places carry this. (Google is your friend)
I got this at 49.00 per 100 grams which is enough to make 100 1kg containers or M**B


for 1kg of M**B you use 905.19 grams of MKP
90.81 grams of MAP
1.0 grams of thiamine hydrochloride

this will give you 1-52-34 with a .01% thiamine hydrochloride




My initial outlay of 207.00 has given me enough bulk ingredients to make 27kgs of M**B

Even better though....the fella at the fertilizer supply company said that the addition of the MAP only supplies 1% nitrogen to the mix. he suggested that if you run hydro...simply you can run your nutes at 90% bloom and 10% veg which would completely eliminate the need for the MAP altogether.

This would bring your total cost down to less than 100 dollars total for enough raw ferts to make 25 kgs of this
Certainly seems better than the internet price of anywhere from 60-90 bucks for 1kg of the original product


I am certainly not knocking anyone going out and purchasing the original product from a retailer as it is a great product which is very concentrated and lasts quite a while. But for guys with huge grows....bulk raw materials sure helps out.


hope someone found this usefull
 
sedate

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I'm sorry man, couldn't you just tell us what the product is your aping? I can't figure out what M**B is.

You can't be sued - you're reviewing a product - this is fine. You can only be sued if you resold the product with the same formulation with the same name.

This is called the "Fair Use Doctrine" and is a corner-stone of IP law:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

Anyway - that P rating is *really* high for an all-the-way-through-bloom-booster . . . I'd switch to something with about half that P number no more than a couple of weeks into flowering - I guess you couldn't drop the P with that recipie?
 
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Nevermind that, to sue you, the manufacturer would have to figure out a way to serve a subpeona on a european server to get your IP info, and then serve a subpeona on your ISP to get your identity, and then figure out how your posting that information led to a material damages to the company in question . . . .
 
budboy299

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Damn that Rabbi is QUICK!!! hahaha

Hammerhead PK 9/19 is another one that is super cheap to reproduce and is simply distilled water, Mono-potassium phosphate or MKP (which you may already have in bulk from the above recipe) and Soluble Potash which is less than 20 bucks per 25kgs.

That recipe in a few days
 
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yeah, I've been on this for a bit too. Theres a smart guy, although a bit abrasive whos made some posts, work works at a university in a lab and can do chemical assays. Basically his summary is that nutrient manufactures, all get their same supplies from likely the same suppliers in China, mix it, and sell it for 100-500x markup.



not sure if this cross link is ok with rules here, but he mixes all his own stuff and tries to give some tutorials how to do so. The hard part are the micro nutrients but in the end, it comes down to big nutrient companies selling 50 cents worth of nutrients, with heavy marketing and charging $100+ dollars.
 
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MAP is really good for roots also. If you look at lab supply houses you can buy smaller amounts. JK
I normally spend somewhere around 50 cents a lb buying bulk.
 
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This is nothing new; some companies do add a couple of "special" things that aren't listed on the label because they don't want their competitors to copy so the only way is for us to trust their word (hah!) or through chromatography.

You can also purchase nutrients for farming/agriculture use in dry bulk at a huge discount.

But unfortunately, companies that target our high-value crop know that we'll spend extra for special formula branded bottles.
 
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90-10. Sounds like Lucas to me...say what you will but hes one smart dude.
 
budboy299

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The MSDS sheets on these all list health as a 1 and all other aspects as 0

0=minimal
1=slight
2=moderate
3=serious
4=severe
*=chronic

the 1 rating for health is due to it's form mostly. a crystaline powder which may be an irritant for eyes, throat etc.

its says to avoid eye contact, breathing dust and injestion may cause nauseu and vomitting. Wash hands thoroughly after touching.

anyone touching the chemicals we use should really wear gloves anyhow. common sence kind of stuff really
 
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a quick overview of hammerhead PK 9/18.... 1L recipe

Soluble Potash 0-0-60 91.8 grams
Mono-potassium phosphate MKP 0-52-34 78.2 grams
distilled H2O 0-0-0 830 grams

This will give you 0-9-18 within a percentage point

Now the big disclaimer hahaha these amounts are with 100% disolving in the water base. As Potash is a natural mined element, you may have varying degrees of solubility.
I would add the Potash first to see how it disolves, then the MKP
I do know that Hammerhead always seems to have some sediment in the bottom of the bottle and they say to shake well before using, so it must not totally disolve.

depending on the quantities of the materials you can get.....you could make this up for as little as fifty cents a litre

I'm gonna play around with some base nutes too. Sadly though due to radical nuts....it can be very hard to get ammonium nitrate which is usually used. I remember not long ago (10 years) going to my local farm and feed supply and buying 100lb bags of this stuff for next to nothing. Damn radicals!
 
budboy299

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actually with 70.00 worth of the dry materials (25kg of MKP and 25kg of soluble potash), you can make up slightly more than 250 1L bottles at a cost of 35.7 cents a litre

Not including the water of course
 
budboy299

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Hydroponic "6 pack" nutrients


all around base nutes. During flower though I would add the bloom additives to increase the P and K, and drop the base nutes down accordingly.

#1 calcium nitrate
#2 potassium sulphate
#3 potassium nitrate......which is.....salt peter
#4 mono-potassium phosphate......which is.....MKP
#5 magnesium sulphate......which is.....epsom salts
#6 trace elements & nitric acid

formula is as follows (you may have to increase or decrease the amount of water to account for your strains tolerance to nute levels)


#1 765g/1000L or 30.6grams /10 gallons
#2 530g/1000L or 21.2grams/10 gallons
#3 223g/1000L or 8.92grams/10 gallons
#4 220g/1000L or 8.8grams /10 gallons
#5 456g/1000L or 18.24grams/10 gallons


#6 Trace elements .29gr/1000L or .01grams/10 gallons
nitric acid 50 ml/1000L or 2ml /10 gallons

This is all based on 4L of water to a gallon
 
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I think you need to correct #4.
Should be Mono Potassium Phosphate? No?

pp69


Hydroponic "6 pack" nutrients


all around base nutes. During flower though I would add the bloom additives to increase the P and K, and drop the base nutes down accordingly.

#1 calcium nitrate
#2 potassium sulphate
#3 potassium nitrate......which is.....salt peter
#4 mono-potassium nitrate......which is.....MKP
#5 magnesium sulphate......which is.....epsom salts
#6 trace elements & nitric acid

formula is as follows (you may have to increase or decrease the amount of water to account for your strains tolerance to nute levels)


#1 765g/1000L or 30.6grams /10 gallons
#2 530g/1000L or 21.2grams/10 gallons
#3 223g/1000L or 8.92grams/10 gallons
#4 220g/1000L or 8.8grams /10 gallons
#5 456g/1000L or 18.24grams/10 gallons


#6 Trace elements .29gr/1000L or .01grams/10 gallons
nitric acid 50 ml/1000L or 2ml /10 gallons

This is all based on 4L of water to a gallon
 
budboy299

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Good eye Pikes Peak 69. you are absolutly right on that. Too much typing for me!!!
thanks man, I will correct that
 
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RIU link no worky.
Can you pm a username so I can search him out. Or post a good link.
Thanks
pp69


yeah, I've been on this for a bit too. Theres a smart guy, although a bit abrasive whos made some posts, work works at a university in a lab and can do chemical assays. Basically his summary is that nutrient manufactures, all get their same supplies from likely the same suppliers in China, mix it, and sell it for 100-500x markup.



not sure if this cross link is ok with rules here, but he mixes all his own stuff and tries to give some tutorials how to do so. The hard part are the micro nutrients but in the end, it comes down to big nutrient companies selling 50 cents worth of nutrients, with heavy marketing and charging $100+ dollars.
 
sedate

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budboy said:
a quick overview of hammerhead PK 9/18.... 1L recipe

Soluble Potash 0-0-60 91.8 grams
Mono-potassium phosphate MKP 0-52-34 78.2 grams
distilled H2O 0-0-0 830 grams

This will give you 0-9-18 within a percentage point

heh heh this one looks good.

How do you get MKP exactly?
 
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