( bc growers forum )
TOPIC - sage x big sur holy (attn: peaceness & Soul)
DATE - 13:11:34 6/18/99
FROM - shaggy
Hey there buddy,
As far as I'm aware, I'm the only dude to grow this particular strain. I bought my seeds direct from Adam at Hempworks in Amsterdamn in the fall of '97. I'd been living in asia for about 4 years and decided to pick up a couple seeds from
A'dam before returning to my hemisphere. I went planning on getting some skunk #1 or nl (I was woefully uninformed
about the current state of breeding), but when I got there I was completely confused. White widow? What the hell is
that? LOL. Anyway, I made it to Adam's shop and he highly recommended the sage x big sur holy. Although not
available in any coffeehouses, Adam pulled a big old bong out from behind the counter and packed up a little sage for
me. OK, now first a few caveats...while I had spent a lot of time in SE Asia (Laos is heaven...) and India recently,
bonghits are not exactly a standard thing. (a sidenote, graffix-style bongs did originate in southern Yunnan province,
Northern Vietnam. They set up little stands everywhere where men gather, drink tea, and smoke TOBACCO out of
those puppies. Needless to say, I was pretty confused for a while--I didn't think it was tobacco. Lol!). Also, while there
is some killer weed in India, it's not available everywhere. The best hash comes from Malawi [I think] while the best
weeed is from down south, Kerala if I'm not mistaken. In other words, I wasn't used to bonghits. Well, this one hit (plus
a tug to clean out the tube) sent me into outer space. I freaked. I couldn't think and was completely out of control. All I
could do is say goodbye and promise to return tomorrow. Well, I did, and I got those seeds.
Let's just say that my first grow was educational LOL. We'll chalk that up to experience. My temps were high and my
two females (of 8) produced copious, but very fluffy nugs. They were often greeted with contempt by the uninitiated.
However, the hazey-type was there,although not quite as strong as the A'dam stuff. The problem was that it didn't
seem done even at 12 weeks. I cut it down and attributed the problem to my high temps (110F).
Well...my 2nd indoor attempt worked like a charm with my c88, greatwhiteshark, romberry, and blueberry. Nice dense
nugs, great organic smell, great yeilds for a 430 hps. However, the sage produced the same, stringy, fluffy nugs as
before. And it still tooks WAY too long. I hacked it down at 13 weeks...Upon further investigation, I came to the
conclusion that the "problem" boils down to sage's haze ancestry. First of all, I don't know that 38w/ft2 is enough for a
haze variety. The buds grew in individual clusters instead of dense nugs(not that it's a problem, but it's interesting). If
you look at a picture of sensiseeds'(?) Marley's collie, you'll see a similar structure. The sage is markedly different than
any other strain I've ever seen. It's definitely a personaly stash type of weed. The high is too much for some of my
friends. Ever smoke real thai or possibly Laoation bud? Looks can often be deceiving. This batch's nugs cured to an
intense lemony smell--in fact very similar to my romberry despite their obvious differences. In fact, now that Soul's
around maybe he can give us a lesson on Haze--it's bud structure, flower/leaf ration (sage is 100/0 no leaves in the bud
at all, well ok, a couple, but very few). My friends and I can only smoke it mixed with other, slower weeds, unless we're
mountain biking or otherwise fully physically challenged. Otherwise, it's just too damn intense. Very haze-influenced.
Ok, now here's the weird part. Recently, t.h.seeds put its website up (change sagarmartha's site to say ~hemp at the
end). When I bought it, it was called sage x big sur holy. However, today it's called S.A.G.E. I never thought anything
of it until someone who is growing it posted some pictures at the 'Base. The crazy thing is that his S.A.G.E looks
nothing like what I had. Instead of long, thin, sativa leaves, it has wider, bluer, indica looking leaves. There's no doubt in
my mind that they're different strains. OR, quite possibly, Adam crossed his sage x big sur holy with an indica. Damion
(who posts here sometimes) has met Adam and was quite taken with the S.A.G.E. Adam told him that it was a haze x
heavy yeilding afghani. So what's going on? Only Adam knows the truth and the Hempworks website has been "in the
mix" now for at least a year.
