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Appion G 5 & Appion G1 Refrigerant Recovery Machines - Can These Be Used For Butane Recovery?

Discussion in 'Concentrates & Processing' started by AnselAdams, Jul 20, 2018.

  1. I have the opportunity to buy either of these from anA/C company that is going out of business. I will have first pick of a dozen machines (all less than 2 years old) at very reasonable prices when compared to new retail. I have seen them in BHO photos & videos; however I don't know if they are safe to use or not. I see a lot of stuff i KNOW is not safe, so I though I would check with the community.

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  2. Jack og

    Jack og Moderator Staff Member

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    Yea and no. One don’t ever use a used refrigeration recovery unit to recover co2 that will be used for anything that you will smoke and or ingest.
    2. The pressures required to take co2 from gas to liquid is much much higher then any refrigerant out there.
    I’m an hvac tech/ owner of a company.
    They make co2 recovery units designed for that purpose. Spend the extra bucks and buy the correct equipment. Don’t kill your self or someone else using the wrong equipment.
     
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    Jack og Moderator Staff Member

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    For bho, to degaussing, u can use a simple 2 stage vacuum and a turkey bag. .
     
  4. Thank You for answering directly and to the point. You probably just saved my life! That is why is asked the question.

    Although I have no intention of going anywhere near CO2 (because of the pressures involved) and i am still in the learning phase of CLP; I had read nothing on used equipment. I have now been properly schooled and will ONLY use NEW equipment.

    Thanks Again!
     
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  5. Who said anything about c02?
     
  6. I truely hope you have no intention on buying a used recovery machine that has had fluorocarbons and hydrofluorocarbons ran through it??!!!!
     
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  7. Jack OG, you addressed CO2; Upon further reading of your response, i have another question. Do the same concerns hold for Butane/Propane?
     
  8. This does not have sealed circuits making it not rated for use in class 1 locations. (Areas where explosive vapors or gasses may be present)
     
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  9. You really should learn how to operate your closed loop passively before you attempt to operate it actively..
     
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  10. Thanks Dabarino - a critical piece of info there... Suggested Mfg?
     
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  11. I totally agree! i have no intention of going beyond training setup. I am just reading, learning and asking questions. Thank you for taking your time to answer them. I intend to crawl before attempting to walk.

    FYI. I am a certified DiveMaster with over 3000 dives, that did not happen overnight. It involved lots and lots of training, study & practice. I value my life and my equipment. I don't intend to die doing something stupid. To me that means I must learn as much as i can about the process, how it works, why it works; and how it can kill me. RESPECT is required; or you die. I have had to rescue and recover those who have done stupid things at critical times. I also train them how not to die. In the end, each diver is responsible for their own gear, their own dive profile and their own life. Knowledge is the key to staying alive.
     
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  12. https://www.bestvaluevacs.com/cps-trs21-condensing-coil-kit.html

    Just remember I added the unit with the condensing coil because this unit requires it to operate..

    And back to my previous comment about not buying a used recovery machine that has had random gasses through it.. you wouldn’t scuba dive with propane tank that someone filled with o2, same principle applies for the recovery pump you wouldn’t smoke something that has been pumped through a contaminated pump
     
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  13. Roger That!
    Exactly why I own and maintain my own gear. I even hate to use "shop" tanks. Will take my own if possible.

    Thanks
     
  14. Jack og

    Jack og Moderator Staff Member

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    Butane , sane deal, anything in contact to something you will ingest is a Nono if used. But new, the Pressure for butane is lower and can be used but, u need a sealed recovery unit, explosive gas and all.
    But if it’s just To degaussing the residues, it should of be ok
     
  15. Thanks for the follow-up Jack; Dabarino hooked me up with an example of the specs that should be considered. I sent that recommendation & information on to someone who is further along in the learning curve than I. She is now doing up to two lbs per run and is looking to improve her process.
     
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  16. Jack og

    Jack og Moderator Staff Member

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    There are propane recovery units that we use for propanol based systems that has all the safety measures, pricey but would be ideal if bho is the route you would go: