Calling Complete F'ing B.s. On The "recreational" Cannabis Market

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I have noticed this area of the forum gets very little traffic but I want to say this anyway even if it only gets 15 views.

I honestly believe the "recreational" market is a total fraud and absolute BS. We could practically make compost out of it since it is so rich in BS.

Here is my theory based on a question I ask myself about human behavior all the time. What are humans generally trying to do with their life in almost all aspects?

My answer is: Homeostasis.

"Homeostasis can be defined as the stable state of an organism and of its internal environment;[1] as the maintenance or regulation of the stable condition, or its equilibrium;[2] or simply as the balance of bodily functions.[3] The stable condition is the condition of optimal functioning for the organism, and is dependent on many variables, such as body temperature and fluid balance, being kept within certain pre-set limits."

Why do people learn to meditate, why do Buddhist monks learn this extremely difficult discipline, why do alcoholics drink, why do opiate junkies keep using. They are all trying to find balance. Not that all those ways are positive and productive but it is what it is and painful searching for balance often ending in failure.

As Dr. Raphi Mechoulam and other pioneers in the cannabis world point out the endocannabinoid system in humans is involved in EVERY level of function in the body. We have receptors in our brain but also in cells, even blood cells. If this system regulates everything then:

People do not smoke or consume cannabis to simply "get high". There is a reason that each of us that use cannabis do so. We are trying desperately to reach Homeostasis (balance) in our lives with regard to Mental health, biological health and to make sense out of our world. To achieve balance!!!!

Given that if people use substances, they are probably trying to solve a problem. Yes, obviously some substances are very destructive and don't really solve problems of imbalance but lead to other disasters. However, Evil weed is not that way in my opinion. It is truly and miraculous medicine that has saved my health and my life. However, on a side nte the guys that developed some of the "designer drugs" that caused so much trouble with the war on drugs were producing drug that the system secretly used for legitimate treatment of patients. Turns out some of the substances they developed actually had a medicinal use contrary to be demonized by our government. Turns out some of their most significant customers were highly ranked Psychiatrists and Psychologists in the great LA area! Juys reasearch the activities of the "The Lazy Lizard School of Hedonism" that had their lab hidden in a cave in the desert SW.

Homeostasis!

Another expert in the field of cannibinoids and phytochemicals in general said and I think he is right (paraphrased): All disease can be traced to 2 failures, Cell dysfunction and genetic pre-disposition (leading to guess what, cell dysfunction). Well if the endocannabinoid system is regulating all aspect of our biology even at the cell level then here is the answer to so many health challenges including some genetic disorders. Some of the strongest phytochemicals are contained in cannabis (they show up in many fruits and vegetables as well). I think this is why Cannabis is so broad spectrum so-to-speak because it effects the baseline of how we work on a biological level.

So, why does the so-called recreational market and definitions exist and why were they "created". Well, probably for regulation and especially TAXATION. Eventually though, I predict the "medical cannabis" definition will go away. Why? Because they currently don't tax the medical market in many states. When governments get ADDICTED to the funds they will eventually kill the medical market which is just the opposite of what should happen.

Dr. Raphi said it well when he said something like (paraphrasing here) : The Assyrians had a name for it and it translates to bliss and they described it as a medicine that takes your worries away. His response was: Sounds like a great definition of an anti-anxiety effect. His answer was like this: why criticize this but embrace it...don't people need to solve anxiety problems....well Yeah, duh.

Feel free to add comments both negative and positive cause I love active discussion. Without talking about the issues as humans how can we ever make any progress. Also we are, I believe, entering a time when you wont be allowed to think and express freely unless it is politically acceptable.

With love to my fellow cannabis growers and consumers,

Dee

 
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I have noticed this area of the forum gets very little traffic but I want to say this anyway even if it only gets 15 views.

I honestly believe the "recreational" market is a total fraud and absolute BS. We could practically make compost out of it since it is so rich in BS.

Here is my theory based on a question I ask myself about human behavior all the time. What are humans generally trying to do with their life in almost all aspects?

My answer is: Homeostasis.

"Homeostasis can be defined as the stable state of an organism and of its internal environment;[1] as the maintenance or regulation of the stable condition, or its equilibrium;[2] or simply as the balance of bodily functions.[3] The stable condition is the condition of optimal functioning for the organism, and is dependent on many variables, such as body temperature and fluid balance, being kept within certain pre-set limits."

Why do people learn to meditate, why do Buddhist monks learn this extremely difficult discipline, why do alcoholics drink, why do opiate junkies keep using. They are all trying to find balance. Not that all those ways are positive and productive but it is what it is and painful searching for balance often ending in failure.


As Dr. Raphi Mechoulam and other pioneers in the cannabis world point out the endocannabinoid system in humans is involved in EVERY level of function in the body. We have receptors in our brain but also in cells, even blood cells. If this system regulates everything then:

People do not smoke or consume cannabis to simply "get high". There is a reason that each of us that use cannabis do so. We are trying desperately to reach Homeostasis (balance) in our lives with regard to Mental health, biological health and to make sense out of our world. To achieve balance!!!!

Given that if people use substances, they are probably trying to solve a problem. Yes, obviously some substances are very destructive and don't really solve problems of imbalance but lead to other disasters. However, Evil weed is not that way in my opinion. It is truly and miraculous medicine that has saved my health and my life. However, on a side nte the guys that developed some of the "designer drugs" that caused so much trouble with the war on drugs were producing drug that the system secretly used for legitimate treatment of patients. Turns out some of the substances they developed actually had a medicinal use contrary to be demonized by our government. Turns out some of their most significant customers were highly ranked Psychiatrists and Psychologists in the great LA area! Juys reasearch the activities of the "The Lazy Lizard School of Hedonism" that had their lab hidden in a cave in the desert SW.

Homeostasis!

Another expert in the field of cannibinoids and phytochemicals in general said and I think he is right (paraphrased): All disease can be traced to 2 failures, Cell dysfunction and genetic pre-disposition (leading to guess what, cell dysfunction). Well if the endocannabinoid system is regulating all aspect of our biology even at the cell level then here is the answer to so many health challenges including some genetic disorders. Some of the strongest phytochemicals are contained in cannabis (they show up in many fruits and vegetables as well). I think this is why Cannabis is so broad spectrum so-to-speak because it effects the baseline of how we work on a biological level.

So, why does the so-called recreational market and definitions exist and why were they "created". Well, probably for regulation and especially TAXATION. Eventually though, I predict the "medical cannabis" definition will go away. Why? Because they currently don't tax the medical market in many states. When governments get ADDICTED to the funds they will eventually kill the medical market which is just the opposite of what should happen.

Dr. Raphi said it well when he said something like (paraphrasing here) : The Assyrians had a name for it and it translates to bliss and they described it as a medicine that takes your worries away. His response was: Sounds like a great definition of an anti-anxiety effect. His answer was like this: why criticize this but embrace it...don't people need to solve anxiety problems....well Yeah, duh.

Feel free to add comments both negative and positive cause I love active discussion. Without talking about the issues as humans how can we ever make any progress. Also we are, I believe, entering a time when you wont be allowed to think and express freely unless it is politically acceptable.

With love to my fellow cannabis growers and consumers,

Dee


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Because we like to get high and don't feel the need to make excuses? I have a pretty negative view on most "medical" use, reaching homeostasis as they put it does not qualify as medical use in my mind...that is just getting high cause it feels good...and that is ok. I take issue with people trying to piggyback on cancer/epilepsy/etc. I have met a shitload of people that tell me they need to "medicate" before they watch a movie, listen to music, play a game and well, dude you aren't stopping seizures, you are getting high cause it makes boring life a bit more fun. Own that shit, embrace it. I don't need to make up excuses or reasons.

In closing, I like to get high and fuck because it is fun. Taking Viagra to fuck is medical.
 
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We call marijuana in our house “medication” because that’s what it is. The whole goal in medication, whether prescribed by a doctor or yourself, is to find the most effective drug with the least amount of side effects. Homeostasis, as you put it. If you were to go to a shrink, get your monthly prescription for an antidepressant, Xanax, Zoloft or whatever, it’s no different than an ounce or two of weed per month. I’ve seen the effects of a self medicating alcoholic first hand and it is very ugly, destructive, and crippling. The chemical compounds in marijuana bring balance to whatever chaos is happening in the mind. It’s really amazing.
 
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Because we like to get high and don't feel the need to make excuses? I have a pretty negative view on most "medical" use, reaching homeostasis as they put it does not qualify as medical use in my mind...that is just getting high cause it feels good...and that is ok. I take issue with people trying to piggyback on cancer/epilepsy/etc. I have met a shitload of people that tell me they need to "medicate" before they watch a movie, listen to music, play a game and well, dude you aren't stopping seizures, you are getting high cause it makes boring life a bit more fun. Own that shit, embrace it. I don't need to make up excuses or reasons.

In closing, I like to get high and fuck because it is fun. Taking Viagra to fuck is medical.
When I smoke some strains I get a "Viagra" effect. :cool:
 
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Idk, it really comes down to how you define medicine I guess. To me, the description used in the cannabis community is over broad and is roughly "it is medicine because I say it is and can best diagnose/treat my symptoms." By that criteria I can claim 4loko cures my ills, or for non silly example, wine is full of antioxidants but I would never call it medicine. I wouldn't call vitamins or lotions medicines. I reluctantly accept holistic medicine, though I almost always think the pharma version of whatever is better/more effective.

All that said, I fully think people should do what they want in regard to their own lives. If calling weed medicine is their bag, then it is no sweat off my back. Much of it just schematics and how we define things. My just for fun is many people's medical. Only reason I hop on my soapbox is that there are some very specific situations where weed is the best or only treatment option and when we use an overly broad "medical" definition it lessens their claims and if there ever is a crackdown it makes it much harder to protect those people.
 
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Idk, it really comes down to how you define medicine I guess. To me, the description used in the cannabis community is over broad and is roughly "it is medicine because I say it is and can best diagnose/treat my symptoms." By that criteria I can claim 4loko cures my ills, or for non silly example, wine is full of antioxidants but I would never call it medicine. I wouldn't call vitamins or lotions medicines. I reluctantly accept holistic medicine, though I almost always think the pharma version of whatever is better/more effective.

All that said, I fully think people should do what they want in regard to their own lives. If calling weed medicine is their bag, then it is no sweat off my back. Much of it just schematics and how we define things. My just for fun is many people's medical. Only reason I hop on my soapbox is that there are some very specific situations where weed is the best or only treatment option and when we use an overly broad "medical" definition it lessens their claims and if there ever is a crackdown it makes it much harder to protect those people.

I have Parkinson's and without RSO I can't function. By all rights and data I should be a wreck shaking like Michael Fox and I shouldn't even be able to walk by now. However, I am symptom free with 20mg of RSO morning and night. It also regulated my weight so I am within 5% of normal weight and that solved a bunch of other problems. Went from 15 prescriptions to 1 so less side effects to deal with. I could live without cannabis but not for long, it has truly been miraculous. Before cannabis I was in the process of applying for SSI disability and couldn't work. Now I work a professional job with all the corporate stress and so on pretty much like a normal person.

I still think the medical classification will be removed at some point in most states. I understand what you mean in that someone with a strained pinky could claim they need it and that does lessen the validity. However, I think if it improves the quality of your life then it is somehow helping you in many ways that you may or may not be completely aware of.

Dee
 
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I see people all the time getting all warm and cuddly inside calling it there medicine. It gives some people a sense of security, a feel of acceptance... It’s like they are telling themselves” I can smoke all day long and not do anything because I’m taking my medicine”and “people won’t think I’m a pot head because I’m medicating”:smoking:
It’s like I get frowned apon for saying I’m high in real life from the guy who is 25 sitting around doing 2 gram dabs out his banger “medicating”
 
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I see people all the time getting all warm and cuddly inside calling it there medicine. It gives some people a sense of security, a feel of acceptance... It’s like they are telling themselves” I can smoke all day long and not do anything because I’m taking my medicine”and “people won’t think I’m a pot head because I’m medicating”:smoking:
It’s like I get frowned apon for saying I’m high in real life.

My son came back from Afghanistan. Without medicating most of the day he is unable to cope. With it he can work and be productive. I have seen veterans that need high levels of cannabis and if it keeps them from killing themselves then I say use it as needed. I think we lose 22 US veterans per day to suicide. I have seen severe PTSD first hand with all the drama at a level I couldn't understand til I saw it myself.

A friend I have has agoraphobia and cant work without it. He has a very high tolerance so he doesn't get high but just functions normally and productively. Is he a pot head? Is he defective or somehow deserving of marginalization? Some people that know him say he is a reject and a pot head and worse but I don't accept that. I know him well and he is doing what he needs to do.

One of my goals in life is to stop categorizing people based on their struggles, appearance, disability or other attribute and then marginalizing them based on my judgement. Its a struggle cause we all have bias in our life.

Just a couple of examples I have seen that make me think hard about the "medical" applications.

If you feel like using cannabis or need cannabis I am cool with it all but my original thought is if you use it there must be an underlying reason even if you don't know what that reason is. My theory could be all wrong but even if you just like getting high I am ok with that too as long as you are ok and can function as you desire and it doesn't hurt anyone.

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Well my man, that would fully qualify as medical in my book.
My only real anxiety in life is: "Will my next crop succeed so I don't run out?" Or, will the F'ers back in D.C. or my state capital screw it all up for me by screwing up the laws.

So, I take my grow very, very seriously. When people help me succeed on this forum I guess they probably don't know how much I appreciate it and what it means to me. People I have not even met I am very grateful to them.

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Dee, start a series of Dr Hulda Clarke liver cleanses. I've done 20+

Our liver is our oil filter. Unlike vehicles, we can't ake them out and install a new one, BUT...

they can be cleaned. Doing so will go a long long way to resolving most health issues
 
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My son came back from Afghanistan. Without medicating most of the day he is unable to cope. With it he can work and be productive. I have seen veterans that need high levels of cannabis and if it keeps them from killing themselves then I say use it as needed. I think we lose 22 US veterans per day to suicide. I have seen severe PTSD first hand with all the drama at a level I couldn't understand til I saw it myself.

A friend I have has agoraphobia and cant work without it. He has a very high tolerance so he doesn't get high but just functions normally and productively. Is he a pot head? Is he defective or somehow deserving of marginalization? Some people that know him say he is a reject and a pot head and worse but I don't accept that. I know him well and he is doing what he needs to do.

One of my goals in life is to stop categorizing people based on their struggles, appearance, disability or other attribute and then marginalizing them based on my judgement. Its a struggle cause we all have bias in our life.

Just a couple of examples I have seen that make me think hard about the "medical" applications.

If you feel like using cannabis or need cannabis I am cool with it all but my original thought is if you use it there must be an underlying reason even if you don't know what that reason is. My theory could be all wrong but even if you just like getting high I am ok with that too as long as you are ok and can function as you desire and it doesn't hurt anyone.

Dee
I totally understand. Unfortunately the state I live in has made mmj a joke and a grab for money. If it was really for helping people it would be non profit. It’s all about how much revenue we pull in. 90% of the users do not need it for medical use. It’s sucks for the 10%.
Most people who need it cannot afford it. I’m a grower and it puts a dent in my pocket everytime I go into a shop to buy anything I see as clean medicine. I couldn’t imagine being on a disabled veterans budget and having to go pay these asshats who are suppose to be helping people.
If you spend $200 a week at the shop your still going to run out by the end of the week. And I don’t know any disabled vets who can even afford $800 a month for there marijuana.
And now with the new laws intact of having only 6 plants in flower and 6 in veg... most vets can’t afford to setup a grow that is going to provide. Sure they can setup a tent with an led that will break the bank. But they are going to run out. Ask jipp he will tell you.
I believe a very high percentage of sales at the shops are turned for profit by sending it out of state. But the News will not report on that. Because of the almighty dollar it brings in.I can purchase 56 grams of concentrate everyday. That’s over 3 lb.s a month of concentrate. That’s how the revenue is so high. It’s not from all the sock people in Colorado who need there medicine.
 
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I totally understand. Unfortunately the state I live in has made mmj a joke and a grab for money. If it was really for helping people it would be non profit. It’s all about how much revenue we pull in. 90% of the users do not need it for medical use. It’s sucks for the 10%.
Most people who need it cannot afford it. I’m a grower and it puts a dent in my pocket everytime I go into a shop to buy anything I see as clean medicine. I couldn’t imagine being on a disabled veterans budget and having to go pay these asshats who are suppose to be helping people.
If you spend $200 a week at the shop your still going to run out by the end of the week. And I don’t know any disabled vets who can even afford $800 a month for there marijuana.
And now with the new laws intact of having only 6 plants in flower and 6 in veg... most vets can’t afford to setup a grow that is going to provide. Sure they can setup a tent with an led that will break the bank. But they are going to run out. Ask jipp he will tell you.
I believe a very high percentage of sales at the shops are turned for profit by sending it out of state. But the News will not report on that. Because of the almighty dollar it brings in.I can purchase 56 grams of concentrate everyday. That’s over 3 lb.s a month of concentrate. That’s how the revenue is so high. It’s not from all the sock people in Colorado who need there medicine.

Are you in Oregon (if you feel comfortable answering)??
 
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Jipp is a she :) don't worry I fucked up too
jipp is actually a he. He just got really upset when he thought tinder thumbs was a women and found out he was a man. That’s when he changed to Christine. I think he got played or something he never wants to talk about it. I’ve tried to get the truth out of both of them but they pretend they didn’t see my quotes lol
 
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