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Diy: Flying Skull Nuke Em ? Can It Be Done

Discussion in 'Nutrients and Fertilizers' started by Burned Haze, Dec 2, 2017.

  1. Flying Skull Nuke em: hate em or Love em . It’s still good defense stuff for as a addition since no one should use same spray every time .


    well I was thinking : $400 for 2.5 gal for citric acid pesticide ? Fuck them! ( so many of the companies use same brews , close enough ;))

    So If we could figure out the ratios and just buy the bulk and just be it our self it will save all of us a million . Won’t even prolly be hard :)

    LETS FIGURE IT OUT ( I suck at measurements , that’s why I’m here )

    * question is what yeast do I need to use and what percentage (everything in Inert Ingredients besides water lol)



    Active Ingredients
    Citric acid 0.05%

    Inert Ingredients
    Water, Yeast (Enzymes), Potassium Salts of Fatty Acids,
    Sodium Benzoate, Potassium Sorbate
    Total: 100.00%


    Thanks
     
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  2. Come on guys let’s get this chat going ! :( what kind of yeast do you think they use in these products ? ( reg yeast? Beer yeast?, suggestions plz ! . I need a starter ground or this goes nowhere )


    I figured this def would be a great discussion and if it worked at least a great defense tool since everything is available easily and cheap. Plus it’s non lethal & used up to 5-6 week of flower.

    I’m just certain these companies are making something we all can make so easily of we give a little effort and discussion
     
  3. I'm not sure on the measurements, green cleaner is another one fairly easy to make I'm sure. They also have a new product out that's half the price called Plant Therapy.
     
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  4. This explains the full pecentages of Nuke em , “top secret “ my asshole



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    On further reading I got this: from Nes at : https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=291721
    
    Can we talk about Nuke em for a minute?
    I keep hearing good things about nuke em, but I have yet to try it. People say it works for mites and mildew without all the nasty. Some folks say it works on Broad mites, though flying skulls recommends using Z7 with it for BM. I've also heard of people overduing it and stressing their plants with it.
    
    When I first saw the product in the hydro store, the manufacturer listed the active ingredient as citric acid, with yeast and potassium sorbate as inert ingredients. In fact, it's still listed this way on the flying skulls website.
    http://flyingskull.net/proddetail.php?prod=Nuke-em
    
    However, if you looks at the other distributors of it elsewhere, ones who actually explain a bit of its "multiple" modes of action, they list potassium sorbate as the active ingredient, with citric acid and yeast as inert
    http://www.wellplant.com/products/nuke-em/
    http://www.wellplant.com/products/nu...l-information/
    
    The EPa and USDa requires pesticide producers label as 'active' the ingredient they claim to be the working one. When I asked the local hydro store guy about this, he told me the flying skulls sales rep was pretty vague and didn't seem to want people to know just how it works. My friends in the dept of ag-organics program tell me pesticide producers could potentially get arround requirements to label ingredients as "active" by not advertising them to be.
    So does Nuke em work? If so, what makes it work and how? What are its modes of action? and why is it so damn expensive?
    
    The ingredients are listed by weight, so lets brake down a gallon of Nuke em.
    1 gallon of water is 3780 grams, so
    0.05% citric acid comes out to 1.89 grams per gallon.
    9.43% yeast is 0.7858lbs per gallon
    0.02% of potassium Sorbate is 0.756 grams ger gallon.
    
    Even at the hydro stop, I get 1.6lb of citric acid cystals of 16$, so if my math is right, 1.89 grams is 4 cents worth of citric acid.
    Brewer's yeast is about 7$/lb so 0.7858lb of yeast comes out to $5.50
    I found potassium sorbate @ $18.50/lb (shiping included) on google. If my math is right again, that 0.756 grams costs 3 cents.
    $0.04
    $5.50
    $0.03
    $5.57 of active and inactive ingredients in a gallon of concentrate that retails for $55!
    Of course that cost doesn't take into account labor, packaging, distribution and overhead on the manufacturing facility, but unless there is something missing here, this seems like an easy recipe to replicate.
    
    Do anny of y'all have any thoughts on this product?
    am I missing something here?
    Feel free to share your experiences with Nuke em, success and failures!
    
    
    EDIT: I looked a bit closer at the second label and noticed "Nuke em is not registered with the US Federal Environmental Protection Agency. Its formula qualifies for exemption under FIFRA section 25 (b) as a minimum risk pesticide. "
    This may be why they can change their label's active ingredient claims.”
    
    “
    
    On further reading I got this: from Nes at : https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=291721
    
    Can we talk about Nuke em for a minute?
    I keep hearing good things about nuke em, but I have yet to try it. People say it works for mites and mildew without all the nasty. Some folks say it works on Broad mites, though flying skulls recommends using Z7 with it for BM. I've also heard of people overduing it and stressing their plants with it.
    
    When I first saw the product in the hydro store, the manufacturer listed the active ingredient as citric acid, with yeast and potassium sorbate as inert ingredients. In fact, it's still listed this way on the flying skulls website.
    http://flyingskull.net/proddetail.php?prod=Nuke-em
    
    However, if you looks at the other distributors of it elsewhere, ones who actually explain a bit of its "multiple" modes of action, they list potassium sorbate as the active ingredient, with citric acid and yeast as inert
    http://www.wellplant.com/products/nuke-em/
    http://www.wellplant.com/products/nu...l-information/
    
    The EPa and USDa requires pesticide producers label as 'active' the ingredient they claim to be the working one. When I asked the local hydro store guy about this, he told me the flying skulls sales rep was pretty vague and didn't seem to want people to know just how it works. My friends in the dept of ag-organics program tell me pesticide producers could potentially get arround requirements to label ingredients as "active" by not advertising them to be.
    So does Nuke em work? If so, what makes it work and how? What are its modes of action? and why is it so damn expensive?
    
    The ingredients are listed by weight, so lets brake down a gallon of Nuke em.
    1 gallon of water is 3780 grams, so
    0.05% citric acid comes out to 1.89 grams per gallon.
    9.43% yeast is 0.7858lbs per gallon
    0.02% of potassium Sorbate is 0.756 grams ger gallon.
    
    Even at the hydro stop, I get 1.6lb of citric acid cystals of 16$, so if my math is right, 1.89 grams is 4 cents worth of citric acid.
    Brewer's yeast is about 7$/lb so 0.7858lb of yeast comes out to $5.50
    I found potassium sorbate @ $18.50/lb (shiping included) on google. If my math is right again, that 0.756 grams costs 3 cents.
    $0.04
    $5.50
    $0.03
    $5.57 of active and inactive ingredients in a gallon of concentrate that retails for $55!
    Of course that cost doesn't take into account labor, packaging, distribution and overhead on the manufacturing facility, but unless there is something missing here, this seems like an easy recipe to replicate.
    
    Do anny of y'all have any thoughts on this product?
    am I missing something here?
    Feel free to share your experiences with Nuke em, success and failures!
    
    
    EDIT: I looked a bit closer at the second label and noticed "Nuke em is not registered with the US Federal Environmental Protection Agency. Its formula qualifies for exemption under FIFRA section 25 (b) as a minimum risk pesticide. "
    This may be why they can change their label's active ingredient claims.”
    
    
    i’m Buying rest of stuff and I will def report with my “beta” version

    FUCK PAYING $400 for 2.5 a gal when it’s 8 fl a gal rate
     
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  5. Have you made anyheadway with this. I got to tell you the numbers seem way the hell off.
    5% citric acid solution is 193 grams per gallon not 1.89
    FDA has a rule on sodium benzoate at .1% of product by weight
    Potassium Sorbate is usually 2 to 4 %
    Potassium Salts of Fatty acids are 1%
    Yeast at 9.43% cant be 3/4 of a pound per gallon

    Anyways this is the reasearch I have done so far. Where are you with it.