GT21
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It is the most successful weapon in the world ...hands down
Ecompost
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fair enough, but its this that puts people like me off mate. So called real growers coming in to threads with a bad attitude. Rather than politely showing your counter to the debate, you have chosen to be aggressive and unwelcoming.
People have to start somewhere buddy. i take it you covered Cervantes to understand he was talking bollocks? What in teaming with microbes is particularly bothering you? I find it odd that people get upset by other peoples thoughts but there you go, everyone is a nazi I guess.
What is the microbe you are growing, is this eating your compost or your salts? you said its mycelium, is it? from what fungus?
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this i entirely agree with, Happy New year.
Ecompost
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unless there is access to the gigawatts, we will never get back to future
sixstring
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I have the gigawatts
Ecompost
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holy shit, for a stoned second there I thought you had a LED the size of a dinner plate
GT21
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i have been pouring diluted gigawatts into my plants for years now....old trick
Ecompost
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I like the dog parked in the disabled spot
Ecompost
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he looks like he didnt get sign off on his out of work payments. But anyone rocking a cane based wheelchair is OK by me
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Microbes are the reason your plant has a smell. Only reason.
Low microbe count is the #1 reason most hydro sucks.
Can bacteria survive in synthetics? Only some of them. Microbes ate diverse. The dormant microbes scraped from a dry desert surface are complete different than microbes taken from a jar of rice buried in a bog.
Do bacteria starve to death in synthetic mediums? Absolutely.
As soon as people realize how much bacteria is in organic dank AFTER harvest, maybe more people will understand curing. And maybe the hydro growers will realize they've been growing Diet Weed Lite all this time.
Going back to junior science class: Your armpit sweat has zero smell. The bacteria present on your skin produces armpit smell by eating the sweat and pooping out funk... No food source, no proliferation of bacteria, no funk. Plants roots are just like a armpit, they sweat. The composition of what they sweat is the deciding factor in the plants aroma and flavor, pending what bacterial colonies the exudate attracts.
Low microbe count is the #1 reason most hydro sucks.
Can bacteria survive in synthetics? Only some of them. Microbes ate diverse. The dormant microbes scraped from a dry desert surface are complete different than microbes taken from a jar of rice buried in a bog.
Do bacteria starve to death in synthetic mediums? Absolutely.
As soon as people realize how much bacteria is in organic dank AFTER harvest, maybe more people will understand curing. And maybe the hydro growers will realize they've been growing Diet Weed Lite all this time.
Going back to junior science class: Your armpit sweat has zero smell. The bacteria present on your skin produces armpit smell by eating the sweat and pooping out funk... No food source, no proliferation of bacteria, no funk. Plants roots are just like a armpit, they sweat. The composition of what they sweat is the deciding factor in the plants aroma and flavor, pending what bacterial colonies the exudate attracts.
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I have to admit I'll take organic soil grown over the hydro, but I won't kick the hydro stuff out for eating crackers if I don't have any soil grown
EventHorizan
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"Diet weed lite" When one verb isn't enough....................
EventHorizan
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Do you figure coco and other hydro users dont use microbes and bacteria?
GT21
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Duh fuck?... Wanna go back to 7th grade science? With beans?
Ecompost
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Tom, its all good buddy, you need to relax a bit. Bacteria have lived through worse than us.
Some actual science done by scientists
http://scialert.net/fulltext/?doi=ja.2010.102.110&org=11
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Microbes Eat Synthetic Fertilizer
Why do fertilizers not kill bacteria? The simple fact is that the nutrients in fertilizer, especially the nitrate, is a nutrient required by bacteria. They eat it! They actually absorb it since they have no mouth, but you get the idea. They also eat the other nutrients; phosphate, potassium, sulfate etc. Bacteria and fungi need these nutrients as much as plants do.
Once you understand this, it becomes fairly obvious that adding these nutrients to soil will not kill the microbes, unless they are added in very large amounts that prove toxic.
Think of composting. If you add too many browns the composting process goes slowly because there is not enough nitrogen available for the bacteria to eat. Since the bacteria are starving for nitrogen they don’t multiply and composting is slow. Add some nitrogen, either as a fertilizer, or as ‘greens’ which contain higher levels of nitrogen, and the compost pile suddenly heats up. The bacteria now have enough nitrogen to eat, they are active, and they multiply. All of this activity heats up the compost pile.
To better understand composting greens and browns see How to Compost: Browns and Greens.
Fertilizers are Salts and Salts Kill – Don’t They?
You see comments like this all the time; “fertilizers are made up of salts and salts kill bacteria.”
It is true that fertilizers are salts. This is not sodium chloride or table salt. The term ‘salt’ has a different meaning for a chemist. To them, a salt is a compound made up of two or more ions. Table salt is made up of sodium ions and chlorine ions. Ammonium nitrate fertilizer is made up of ammonium ions and nitrate ions, so it is also called a salt.
In dry form the ions come together to form salts. When the salts dissolve in water, the molecules break apart and form ions. When fertilizer salts are spread on the ground the white and gray balls are salt. When it rains, the water dissolves the salt into ions and washes them into the soil. Once they are in the soil they are no longer salts.
Salt will harm bacteria and plant roots if there is direct contact. Due to the large number of microbes in soil, and the small surface area of the fertilizer crystals, this has no significant effect on the microbe populations in soil. Once the salt is dissolved, the ions quickly become diluted as the water moves through the soil layer.
Diluted ions in water do not harm microbes or plant roots. In fact both of their lives depend on the ions being in the water. It is the ions that they absorb – not the salts.
What happens with organic fertilizers like compost and manure? They contain large molecules like protein and carbohydrates. As these are decomposed, they are converted into ions. These ions are the exact same ions that fertilizer produces.
Once commercial fertilizer dissolves in water it is no different than organic fertilizer. Fertilizer does not kill bacteria or fungi.
References:
Why do fertilizers not kill bacteria? The simple fact is that the nutrients in fertilizer, especially the nitrate, is a nutrient required by bacteria. They eat it! They actually absorb it since they have no mouth, but you get the idea. They also eat the other nutrients; phosphate, potassium, sulfate etc. Bacteria and fungi need these nutrients as much as plants do.
Once you understand this, it becomes fairly obvious that adding these nutrients to soil will not kill the microbes, unless they are added in very large amounts that prove toxic.
Think of composting. If you add too many browns the composting process goes slowly because there is not enough nitrogen available for the bacteria to eat. Since the bacteria are starving for nitrogen they don’t multiply and composting is slow. Add some nitrogen, either as a fertilizer, or as ‘greens’ which contain higher levels of nitrogen, and the compost pile suddenly heats up. The bacteria now have enough nitrogen to eat, they are active, and they multiply. All of this activity heats up the compost pile.
To better understand composting greens and browns see How to Compost: Browns and Greens.
Fertilizers are Salts and Salts Kill – Don’t They?
You see comments like this all the time; “fertilizers are made up of salts and salts kill bacteria.”
It is true that fertilizers are salts. This is not sodium chloride or table salt. The term ‘salt’ has a different meaning for a chemist. To them, a salt is a compound made up of two or more ions. Table salt is made up of sodium ions and chlorine ions. Ammonium nitrate fertilizer is made up of ammonium ions and nitrate ions, so it is also called a salt.
In dry form the ions come together to form salts. When the salts dissolve in water, the molecules break apart and form ions. When fertilizer salts are spread on the ground the white and gray balls are salt. When it rains, the water dissolves the salt into ions and washes them into the soil. Once they are in the soil they are no longer salts.
Salt will harm bacteria and plant roots if there is direct contact. Due to the large number of microbes in soil, and the small surface area of the fertilizer crystals, this has no significant effect on the microbe populations in soil. Once the salt is dissolved, the ions quickly become diluted as the water moves through the soil layer.
Diluted ions in water do not harm microbes or plant roots. In fact both of their lives depend on the ions being in the water. It is the ions that they absorb – not the salts.
What happens with organic fertilizers like compost and manure? They contain large molecules like protein and carbohydrates. As these are decomposed, they are converted into ions. These ions are the exact same ions that fertilizer produces.
Once commercial fertilizer dissolves in water it is no different than organic fertilizer. Fertilizer does not kill bacteria or fungi.
References:
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Free worm tea today...
Just started giving my plants this last week and man they freeking love it!
Going to keep doing it....
Just started giving my plants this last week and man they freeking love it!
Going to keep doing it....
Ecompost
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Yeah man, good on you, worm juice is awesomeness :-)
jipp
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morningf stiffneck. morning eco.
stiffneck
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So hey.... is this food for the plants or just microbes to help with the uptake of nutrients? Haha. I'm new to this stuff...
My plants really liked it when I watered them with this stuff last week. Can I use it as a foliar spray to help with pests?
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