Info on getting an MMED tag to work in a CO dispensary

Discussion in 'Colorado' started by kolah, Jul 10, 2012.

  1. kolah

    kolah Well-Known Farmer

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    I got offered a job to budtend in a dispensary. It appears all employees need MMED tags. I googled it out but did not find any beneficial information in regards to the process. I do know that they will do a background check and that a worker can not have drug felony record but I have no clue to what else they may look into.

    Any help would be appreciated. (info or links)
     
  2. manitoid.

    manitoid. Active Farmer

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    You can't have any drug related felonies, can't owe back taxes, can't be delinquent on any loans, owe unpaid child support, etc.. Basically anything to do with anything gov't or subsidized by the gov't you have to be straight on.

    Then they take your prints, record any scars/tattos/birthmarks, and take your money.
     
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  3. kolah

    kolah Well-Known Farmer

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    Hmm..... no felonies, back taxes, debt or child support issues but I don't like the fingerprint thing (although they already have my prints from getting a drivers license and cashing checks at banks) I especially don't like the tatt report or the body inspection crap. I believe it's a 75 fee as well. It would also allow me to work as a trimmer/grower etc for others as well.

    Sounds like a bit of bullshit but I'll kick it around a bit. Thanks, man.
     
  4. Jarofunk

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    It is pretty invasive. You disclose lots of personal info, and sign over lots of rights. But in all reality, Big Brother could get this info pretty easily if he ever wanted to.
     
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  5. true grit

    true grit Moderator

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    There is a tat report/body inspection? never heard of that one.
     
  6. Dorje

    Dorje Active Farmer

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    Your application will be reported to your local police, who will in turn investigate you for cultivation. If you are growing, you better be sure you are compliant...
     
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  7. kolah

    kolah Well-Known Farmer

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    Yeah, it's fucking insane. I just found this online. I will NOT be working for any dispensary. What a crock of shit. Who the fuck writes this shit up?

    THE BUDTENDER’S DIARY
    By Shames O’Connor
    Anyone who says working in a dispensary is living the dream, has obviously never tried getting badged by the Medical Marijuana Enforcement Division (MMED) in Colorado. Granted, us bud-tenders don’t usually get health insurance, or sick days, and starting salary is continually slumping towards minimum wage. So we’re not unaccustomed to falling through cracks.
    But to comply with new state regulations by July 1st, all bud-tenders must be badged by the MMED. It means filling out an application that goes through every nook and cranny of life, looking for arrest history, missing payments to any federally funded or subsidized institution, identifying scars and marks, incomplete tax records, and more. Anything that might scream “Thug” or “Mob” to the watchdogs. But this means that all employees in over 700 dispensaries must assemble or fix all debts, facts, and official documents by the end of June.
    I set out early for Commerce City with an application completed the night before, hoping to beat the crowd. At 9:05 AM on a Wednesday morning, the MMED was the only part of Mile High Greyhound Park even remotely occupied. I entered the small lobby and joined 4 people already waiting. Immediately, another joined me in line. I signed my name on the list and sat down.
    At 9:15, the receptionist called my name. We paged through the application together to look for any missing pieces. By 9:18, the number in the waiting room had grown to 15. Five more people entered by 9:30, bringing extra heat into what already felt like a sauna, all of them fumbling through their applications to make sure everything was in order.
    A boisterous woman sprung into the lobby to call my name above the murmuring crowd, and asked, “Did you wash your hands?” I suddenly felt filthy with everyone watching.
    “Uh, no?”
    She directed me to the bathroom, and then we met in the back room.
    “Do you think I’ll be done by 10:30?” I asked. “I have to open the store.”
    “You’re Key Personnel, right?” she said. “It depends. There’s no way of knowing.”
    “That’s why I got here right at 9.”
    “We start processing at 8.”
    Processing, they were, when I returned to the lobby. But not in order. Behind the desk was an out-of-control whirlwind of staff, paper, documents, and procedures, none of which assured me that my sensitive information was being kept in one place, much less securely. The overflow seating was packed, and standing room was quickly dwindling everywhere, as more visitors piled in, waiting unassisted. I could only imagine what it would be like at noon.
    The receptionist haphazardly trained two moon-faced peons as they went along, from copies to screened documents. So incoherent was her gibberish, that everything seemed to collapse. It was clear they’d taught her the procedures just yesterday. She sighed violently, struggling to keep her cool. “See how crazy it gets in here?” she told the drone next to her, “And they usually have only one person up here doing this.”
    As I waited, I paged through my application copy, and noted everything irrational. I’m technically “Key Personnel,” so my form demanded more scrutiny than the average bud-tender. But only by a few pages.
    So what do you have to reveal to the Department of Revenue, in order to “live the dream?”
    Page 1: Scars/Tattoos + every address from the last 10 years.
    Page 2: Essentially states the criteria upon which someone will be immediately denied: Even 1 controlled substance-related felony conviction. Any felony jail time within the last 5 years. Revocation of caregiver authority at any time. Under 21 years old. Spouse or child of MMED employee. And, of course, all law officers and authorities are prohibited from obtaining a license.
    Page 3: Education history (with copies of all diplomas and certificates) + Employer History for last 10 years.
    Page 4: Criminal history, with focus on drug crimes. Seems to be the barometer of the application.
    Page 5 – 6: Arrest Disclosures. Thank God I didn’t have any arrests. “If you have been arrested in the past 10 years, given a summons, or been convicted of any non-narcotic offense, you must disclose this information,” including date and place of offense, arresting agency, original charge, and disposition narrative, with all copies of official documentation.
    Page 7: Invasive questions into financial history including delinquency in filing/paying taxes, student loans, child support, and more. They also request details on oversea assets and/or all incomes, including interests, dividends, and change under the couch cushions. Tax return copies for last two years must be attached.
    • con't below>>>>>>>
     
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  8. kolah

    kolah Well-Known Farmer

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    Page 10: The unbelievable “Investigation Authorization to Release information” form. Quite whimsically, all bud-tenders must agree to:
    - Let the MMED “conduct a complete investigation info my personal background, using whatever legal means they deem appropriate….I waive any rights of confidentiality in this regard.”
    - Allow the MMED to request from any financial institution, “internal banking memoranda, past and present loan applications, financial statements and any other documents relating to my personal or business financial records in whatever form and wherever located.”
    - Release of “any and all tax information or records relating to me.”
    - Additionally, the MMED reserves the “right to investigate all relevant information and facts to their satisfaction.”
    - The scariest: “Any information contained within my application, contained within any financial or personnel record or otherwise found, obtained, or maintained by [the MMED], shall be accessible to law enforcement agents of this or any other state, the government of the United States, or any foreign country.”
    Page 11: For Key Personnel only, Page 11 immediately trumped Page 10 as the most insane thing I will ever sign. Worst of all, it was to be signed by both applicant and spouse, with two witnesses apiece. This is what my wife and I agreed to:
    - Authorization to furnish information from anyone regarding the applicant, “whether or not such information would otherwise be protected…”
    - If the information request is received by a “brokerage firm, bank, savings and loan, or other financial institution,” the form gives full license to turn over “checking account records, savings deposit records, safe deposit box records, passbook records, and general ledger…”
    - Incredibly, this document grants “any duly appointed agent” of the MMED, my or my spouse’s “true and lawful attorney” with several powers, including the authority to “perform all and every act and thing whatsoever requisite, proper, or necessary” ending not after the application approval, but “twenty-four months from the date of execution.”
    - Further, by applying, the applicant accepts “any risk of adverse public notice, embarrassment, criticism, or other action of financial loss, which may resault from action with respect to this application.”
    Page 12: Authorization for Disclosure for IRS. Essentially, for taxable periods 2006-2010, “I authorize the [IRS] to disclose tax information (including, but not limited to, fact of payment, terms of installment agreement) regarding the above returns to the Medical Marijuana Enforcement Division, Colorado Department of Revenue.”
    Jiminy Christmas. Two things came to mind: 1st, that I am obviously pretty desperate to keep my job. 2nd, however, is the nagging, dumb-founding shock knowing I fully exposed myself — lumping more information in one place than I’ve ever let accumulate (aside from my own safe deposit box) — and at the end of the day I can neither view my file or validate its security, confirm the mental stability of each MMED employee, or contest the power of attorney I just signed over. Can the Feds get their hands on this when they prosecute?
    After another while, a woman emerged from around the corner. She tried to remain hushed in relating some embarrassing information to me: that I was behind on one of my student loans.
    “But how can that be? I’m up to date on all of my loans. I know that for a fact.”
    “It says here that your Sallie Mae loan is delinquent.”
    “I don’t have a Sallie Mae loan. I think that was bought by the government. I pay someone else now.”
    “Well, it says here that you’re delinquent.”
    “Can I see what it says?”
    “No, sorry, I can’t show you.”
    “So…what now?”
    “Uh…” her voice trailed off.
    “I’ve only got until the end of June. What do I do?”
    “Let me ask my manager.”
    Five minutes later, I was leaving sans-badge, and with strict instructions to get a letter from Sallie Mae. I called Sallie Mae later that day to find out a) I indeed did NOT have a loan with them, and b) that they do not issue letters.
    And what happened to the other bud-tenders I work with? One girl had been granted a payment plan by the IRS to take care of 2009 taxes. Even with written approval, the MMED denied her a badge until the entire balance had been paid. That gives her three weeks to either a) get some sort of golden IRS pass, processed and delivered by the god Mercury himself, or b) pay off the entire thing despite any obligations or bills. The alternative option, of course, is to start looking for a job.
    Which is what another other employee is doing currently. With no way of paying in full the back taxes she owes, there’s no worse Catch-22. Too broke to pay off bad debts, and too indebted to be work-eligible. The poor thing already asked me for a letter of recommendation. She’s not waiting for an official rejection notice.
    While I have to chase the money trail for my own application, some people just can’t afford debts like student loans in this economy. It’s likely that at least one fellow co-worker in a similar situation will have to be let go. He’s delinquent enough on current student loan payments to know he won’t be approved. The Department of Revenue comes first.
    What does this mean? It means that those who go through the ropes and survive, might as well unionize, considering the invasive and high standards bud-tenders are now held to. By the end of the month, at least a hundred such employees in the Denver area will be out of jobs, if not 2-3 times that number. Managers and Key Personnel are also on the chopping blocks. And that’s just the beginning. Who knows about the warehouse-grow aspect of the industry? How many $8-dollar-an-hour trimmers will agree to such investigation? How many will have to wait for a letter from the IRS or student loan agency?
    Was this what Colorado law-makers had in mind?
     
  9. kolah

    kolah Well-Known Farmer

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    This blows me away. And people actually agree to this just to work in a dispensary? ????? what a fucking joke.
     
  10. MonsterRobot

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    Haha... That is one of the reasons (besides asshole partners) that I left the industry and went on to have my personal garden just for me... I can have it the way I want it, grow what I want to medicate with (instead of growing what produces), and don't have to deal with bullshit...
     
  11. Dorje

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    I actually think the idea of being able to legally buy mmj in a store is a GREAT idea. But the way it's worked out has NOT worked out. So F%^K Dispensaries, don't work for them or contribute to their welfare. Sorry to all the "good" MMC owners, but the current system sucks and IMO should not be supported.
     
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  12. kolah

    kolah Well-Known Farmer

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    Agreed, Dorje, a sad state of affairs, any way you slice it.. It is a shame big gov won't leave business people alone. I do not know why anyone in their right mind would agree to the terms in getting a MMED badge. But I am even more surprised that no one wants to challenge the current laws regarding it. (then again how many laws are repealed once they are passed...hardly any that I am aware of)

    I assume that dispensary owners are subjected to the same bullshit as well?

    I love MMJ and love everything about it. I love growing for myself, and I love all the benefits a person can get from a relatively harmless plant...whether it be for legitimate medical reasons or for improving the quality of life (call it recreational, or whatever). I would really enjoy working in the "industry" at a larger scale but I will not subject myself to the bureaucratic invasive bullshit that has been put forth. What a rotten shame.

    This dispensary owner really wants meet to sign on with him but I will have to tell him no and state my reasons why. I was bit pumped to come on-board with him but not now. No way.
     
  13. motiv303

    motiv303 Amputating Fakeness Supporter

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    WOW! Fuck all that noise, that is the most absurd pile of bs i have ever read. Why on earth would anybody agree to all that? I believe that the pay this industry offers its workers is pretty much a joke, why in the hell would you sign your life away, literally, just for a job? I understand it's a job dealing with the plant we all love, but, I just dont get it. Motiv
     
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  14. kolah

    kolah Well-Known Farmer

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    I dunno. I think many young folks do not think of it as being invasive. And many just do it because they need a job. Before I looked into it, I knew it was a bit of a hassle but had no idea that it was this fucking extreme.

    I really don't have issues about the owners pay ranges because it's a relatively easy (and enjoyable) line of work, IMO. The place that offered me the job also had incentive and bonus plans as well. (and gave me the option to help them hand-trim every 2 months). Anyway, I just had the wind blown the fuck out of my sails. I am not sure how other states are but I can only assume it's much of the same shit.
     
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  15. MonsterRobot

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    I can honestly say that it was the best "job" that I ever had... If things weren't how they are now I would still be in the industry so I really do see the appeal in it but with all the bullshit and info they collect on you it just isn't worth it at all...

    Kolah, you were asking about owners... Well, owners have to go through so much more bullshit it is unreal... They had to do all of the things that employees have to do x 10... The MMED asked for bank records, they checked where the money to start the business came from, they pulled 3 years of tax history, they made the owners sign over their power of attorney, and the list goes on and on... We had a fucking huge stack of papers and forms that we had to turn in for the "pre-application" for a license (not to mention the 35k we had to shell out)... It was a bunch of bullshit to say the least...
     
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  16. kolah

    kolah Well-Known Farmer

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    Wow, M-Robot, that is insane. What a clusterfuck (thats a old saying...much like cornhole which we don't hear anymore). ...and the $35k is a joke as well. ?????? and tack on the fact that owners can not write off business expenditures either???

    AND people ACTUALLY agree to all this?? Fuckin holy hell... I wouldn't sleep at night. You pay them thousands of dollars, sign away any rights you have left and let these bastards "own you."

    Dispense' owners AND their employees might as well paint a bulleye target on their fricken backs. And all that info will be stored in Fusion Centers until they day they die.

    one word: Fuckthatshit!

    oh wait...but "it's legal." <eye roll> Keep reminding me how free we are cuz' I can't seem to grasp that concept.
     
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  17. fishwhistle

    fishwhistle Well-Known Farmer

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    Anyone who signs away their rights or power of attorney to a govt entity is f'in CRAZY,greed makes people do stupid things.
     
  18. MonsterRobot

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    Fishwhistle, I don't think it was quite like that... A lot of these business owners had invested a shitload of time, money, and hard work into the business that they believed was going to succeed and when the MMED came along and changed up a bunch of the rules making people sign this and that or be faced with an order to shut down, a lot of people signed it... If you had your life savings invested in something and you had to sign it to continue operations I bet you would at least think twice about it even if you wouldn't sign the papers...
     
  19. fishwhistle

    fishwhistle Well-Known Farmer

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    Ive been in business for myself for a long time(not mj) and no fucking way would i sign my rights away to continue on,NO WAY.
    I understand about the money,life savings etc etc,Let me tell you about private enterprise,NO RISK,NO REWARD!Sorry its just business,most people dont understand the risks it entails and thats for a biz thats 100% legal,dispensaries are rollin the dice even bigger.No one should invest money they cannot afford to lose and im sure this is just one little hurdle with many more to come.I respect them for taking the risk but dont act naive about it,where you draw the line is a personal decision i guess.
     
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  20. Dorje

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    I agree. I think a lot of MMC owners are all too willing to sell their souls for success. The guys I was working with were willing to do whatever was in the best interest of "the business" and anything could be justified by this logic. Of course, "the business" was just a couple of ordinary guys who might have a hard time justifying their decisions if you replace "the business" with "my own selfish ass". I think it's all driven by a fear of failure which transcends normal morality and law.
     
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