Is Sea Green Worth 325$ A Gallon?

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I apologize but as a no till gardener I was concerned of the negative soil conditions. I wanted to prevent that issue
I have no problem responding to your question. No-till farming was intended to be something that was done outside where there were seasonal rains that washed away excess ions, namely sodium. The problem I've noticed with some indoor, or container garden, no-till farmers is that there is no runoff ever, while organic matter top dresses are continually applied. Even though the inputs are organic, many are marine based such as seabird guano or fish meal, or kelp meal, all of which may have rather high amounts of naturally occurring sodium. If the container is never watered to excess the sodium will never leave the system and will build up. The excess sodium displaces other beneficial cations, and even may cause chlorosis or necrosis. Also bacteria themselves are creating acids which are bringing into solution the required plant nutrients, but after a certain amount of runs these acids build up and create acidic soil conditions unless regular liming occurs.

When we mentioned that it can alleviate some of the harmful conditions that may arise out of no-till farming we are referring specifically to excess sodium. Sea Green contains halotrophic and chemotrophic bacteria which will immobilize sodium ions and buffer them from the rhizosphere. It's not a permanent fix but it will work pretty well for a long while.

Of course both of these issues can be alleviated through periodic flushing as if it were a winter rain. Though most indoor or container no-till farmers I have encountered do not incorporate such a practice into their regimen.

I hope this sheds light on to why that statement was made. We are big fans of Masanobu Fukuoka and respect no till farming very much.
 
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Brazel, this is a different person from Primordial Solutions now responding. I just read this thread and I wanted to say that I totally appreciate the way you farm and I thank you for your interest in our products. I believe the one thing the previous guy failed to mention to put his point in context was simply that Sea Green accelerates natural processes... it is first and foremost an accelerator of nutrient uptake. It has saprotrophic bacteria to unlock organic matter at a more rapid rate to be plant-available. It essentially performs the same role as compost tea in a gardening program.

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The photo above is our product straight out of the bottle, diluted 5x. With 15 trillion organisms per mL, it has nearly 4 billion organisms applied at 1mL/gal. Possessing all the functional groups, it allows for any missing niches to be bolstered.View attachment 762415

Anyhow, thought you'd like to see some data. You're growing style is awesome, and no one "needs" any products. I know people dry farming and literally only applying rock dust. They don't get the smashing yields, but their quality is top notch. We just bring concentrated products to market that speed up natural processes, increase production and encourage full genetic expression of all secondary characteristics by allowing the root exudates to feed the appropriate organisms to solubilize the desired nutrient when the plants need it.

Keep up your good farming. Best wishes to you.
That was a better explanation! i truly yours and box is a better option then whats readily available. I have nothing against you guys, I just didn't like how he said its better cause that's wrong. There's a lot of organic growers that it is better than though... unfortunately organic growing has its myths, false info and just not a real understanding of what's going on. I do believe a majority of organic growers would be better off using yours or box or any other similar products.

To build a proper soil means everything is there.. the enzymes are there, we put the plant back into the soil, mulch is the true star. Quality will always be the star not quantity.

I believe a lot people can use your product and grow dope plants, lots want organic but don't learn the process or don't have the time...etc... I'd recommended your product to them. our enzymes come from worms, compost, mulch, comfrey, barley... etc

Proper no till has no negative soil conditions.. but lots of no till do! It's become hip so quality and learning fall.
 
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I have no problem responding to your question. No-till farming was intended to be something that was done outside where there were seasonal rains that washed away excess ions, namely sodium. The problem I've noticed with some indoor, or container garden, no-till farmers is that there is no runoff ever, while organic matter top dresses are continually applied. Even though the inputs are organic, many are marine based such as seabird guano or fish meal, or kelp meal, all of which may have rather high amounts of naturally occurring sodium. If the container is never watered to excess the sodium will never leave the system and will build up. The excess sodium displaces other beneficial cations, and even may cause chlorosis or necrosis. Also bacteria themselves are creating acids which are bringing into solution the required plant nutrients, but after a certain amount of runs these acids build up and create acidic soil conditions unless regular liming occurs.

When we mentioned that it can alleviate some of the harmful conditions that may arise out of no-till farming we are referring specifically to excess sodium. Sea Green contains halotrophic and chemotrophic bacteria which will immobilize sodium ions and buffer them from the rhizosphere. It's not a permanent fix but it will work pretty well for a long while.

Of course both of these issues can be alleviated through periodic flushing as if it were a winter rain. Though most indoor or container no-till farmers I have encountered do not incorporate such a practice into their regimen.

I hope this sheds light on to why that statement was made. We are big fans of Masanobu Fukuoka and respect no till farming very much.
Everything you describe is provided by not proper no till. No run off is correct but only top dress twice a year with neem and kelp. No guano yes kelp. Some of the homies are rocking 22 cycles over seven years with just water, top dress between cycles every once in awhile and foliar. We duplicate the outdoors, worms, roly poly, hypo miles, mulch, decay, nutrients the plant uses goes back in by chop and drop.. it's SFW complete circle.

But like I said lots want organic but don't understand or have the time or whatever and your product would totally fit that!
 
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Brazel do you have any pics or your work? Finished flowers? A room? Just curious.
 
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I have no problem responding to your question. No-till farming was intended to be something that was done outside where there were seasonal rains that washed away excess ions, namely sodium. The problem I've noticed with some indoor, or container garden, no-till farmers is that there is no runoff ever, while organic matter top dresses are continually applied. Even though the inputs are organic, many are marine based such as seabird guano or fish meal, or kelp meal, all of which may have rather high amounts of naturally occurring sodium. If the container is never watered to excess the sodium will never leave the system and will build up. The excess sodium displaces other beneficial cations, and even may cause chlorosis or necrosis. Also bacteria themselves are creating acids which are bringing into solution the required plant nutrients, but after a certain amount of runs these acids build up and create acidic soil conditions unless regular liming occurs.

When we mentioned that it can alleviate some of the harmful conditions that may arise out of no-till farming we are referring specifically to excess sodium. Sea Green contains halotrophic and chemotrophic bacteria which will immobilize sodium ions and buffer them from the rhizosphere. It's not a permanent fix but it will work pretty well for a long while.

Of course both of these issues can be alleviated through periodic flushing as if it were a winter rain. Though most indoor or container no-till farmers I have encountered do not incorporate such a practice into their regimen.

I hope this sheds light on to why that statement was made. We are big fans of Masanobu Fukuoka and respect no till farming very much.
I want to first off tell you I understand where your product is extremely beneficial to some.

Have you researched indoor no till in depth? The largest possible problem isn't high nitrates as nitrates are made available as needed. Ammonia > ammonium nitrite> ammonium nitrate. In order for ammonia to be converted to salt hydrogen is required. The plant exudes protease and urease to attract specific nitrogen fixing bacteria as they are required to cause the conversion.

As humus builds so does CEC. More carbonates build up over time. High quality worm castings will carry a ph of 6.8.

Soil doesn't become more acidic because as said hydrogen is utilized in the nitrite>nitrate conversion and you have a plethora of carbonates stored away.

I dont disagree that fish hydrolysate is a great innoculant. If that's what the product is thats all you had to say.

Just trying to help you understand a no till growers understanding and perspective in future endeavours. We focus on carbon. Nitrogen follows.
 
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I didn't see how @Organikz was trolling, he asked a question!
 
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I want to first off tell you I understand where your product is extremely beneficial to some.

Have you researched indoor no till in depth? The largest possible problem isn't high nitrates as nitrates are made available as needed. Ammonia > ammonium nitrite> ammonium nitrate. In order for ammonia to be converted to salt hydrogen is required. The plant exudes protease and urease to attract specific nitrogen fixing bacteria as they are required to cause the conversion.

As humus builds so does CEC. More carbonates build up over time. High quality worm castings will carry a ph of 6.8.

Soil doesn't become more acidic because as said hydrogen is utilized in the nitrite>nitrate conversion and you have a plethora of carbonates stored away.

I dont disagree that fish hydrolysate is a great innoculant. If that's what the product is thats all you had to say.

Just trying to help you understand a no till growers understanding and perspective in future endeavours. We focus on carbon. Nitrogen follows.

Carbon is key. I don't recall mentioning nitrates, especially since I agree they're easy to get from nitrogen fixing organisms. Sodium is what I've seen as an issue with some people who over apply their top dresses (having analysed numerous soil tests from no till farmers). Sea Green is microbes first and foremost. Did you see the microscope images?
 
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I am a man of truth and I must say you have a lot of life. I get what you're doing and it's great because some people do like the convenience factor while still being able to utilize the soil food web.

I follow Clackamas coot. His amendments contain almost 0 sodium. Nova Scotia cold water kelp meal, if properly washed, contains no sodium. Kelp is awesome because it accumulates every single element on earth...except sodium.

Not a loaded question at all but what are the farmers topdressing and why are they adding more to the system? It's a nutrient loop method.

Nothing is gained and nothing is lost. After about 4 cycles you shouldn't be adding anything but water.
 
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I am a man of truth and I must say you have a lot of life. I get what you're doing and it's great because some people do like the convenience factor while still being able to utilize the soil food web.

I follow Clackamas coot. His amendments contain almost 0 sodium. Nova Scotia cold water kelp meal, if properly washed, contains no sodium. Kelp is awesome because it accumulates every single element on earth...except sodium.

Not a loaded question at all but what are the farmers topdressing and why are they adding more to the system? It's a nutrient loop method.
In general, I notice most people just can't help themselves but to overdo almost every aspect of everything. People over water, people over fertilize, etc. Based on the fact that there are elements leaving the system from the plant that is being harvested and not being composted back, there is some requirement to add inputs, but people overdo it.

I've seen some pretty salty kelp, salty compost, salty worm castings, very salty mushroom compost... Granted all these are either improperly treated (i.e. unwashed) or of poor quality, but they do exist and people do end up applying them sometimes unknowingly.

One other major benefit that our Paleo Bloom and our Sea Green product offer is to speed up the soil building process and allow the tilth (carbon) to accumulate more rapidly. This would allow no till farmers to jump ahead by orders of magnitude. On a small scale in a backyard this has a very small impact on the global carbon economy, but because time is of the essence to course-correct the trajectory of humanity's massive loss of soil carbon, we are trying to get our product applied to as much farm acreage as possible. Some of our preliminary tests show a 2% increase in soil carbon in one year with simply applying just over a gallon of input. This is literally tons of carbon with minimal human hours or petrochemicals burned to apply it (it utilizes photosynthetic bacteria to do the work). We're in the process of acquiring University documentation of our findings. We will be starting a nonprofit at that point to apply them for free to as much acreage in the world as possible to reverse climate change. According to our preliminary findings and the projections based on that math, if most of the world's farmland applied our products we could return atmospheric carbon to pre-industrial levels in just 3.7 years.
 
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Sodium isn't a bad thing. Sodium is required by all living things. Too much of any element will have an ill effect. I am one to bring information to light if hidden. Sodium is required for the ammonia > ammonium nitrate conversion. Here's a little snippet. People love these.

Sodium tends to form water-soluble compounds, such as halides, sulfates, nitrates, carboxylates and carbonates. The main aqueous species are the aquo complexes [Na(H2O)n]+, where n = 4–8; with n= 6 indicated from X-ray diffraction data and computer simulations.[21]
 
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I have found Seagreen is most effective for increasing growth as a soil drench. Lots of people do foliar spray it. As far as Gibberellic acid, as long as you are using it at the recommended dosage, mixing the 2 shouldn't be a problem. The product that is best for foliar spraying, especially during flower, is Trueblooms. It's got a higher microbial count, along with PGRs that speed up the transition from veg to flower and it increases flowering spots.

I've learned to love Seagreen. I purposely did not use it on a recent grow of the same, known genetics and I did see a difference in bulk and flower density. Good stuff you got there mang. Question regarding GA-3 though. I understand the increased growth potential... but does it have an effect (if used in flower) on the terpene and THC levels by lowering them compared to a plant not treated?
 
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Thanks. Sea Green doesn't have the GA3, someone was asking about mixing the two in their own grow. I wouldn't add any extra GA3 in flower!
 
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We'll send the sample pack with this link.

I think Hydrobuilder is running a discount in June to buy online also.
 
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No, you just kill lots of different species of microbes if you add before you brew due to not all microbes liking the brewing process. It doesn't technically hurt anything, it just lessens the amount of life you get in the end.
Is sea green like og biowar? Cap bennies?
 
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Yes and no. It is similar in that it is a product with bacteria. But our product is not lab grown monocultured specific bacterial strains. It emulates nature by culturing full microbial communities in a polyculture manner. There are organisms in the various og biowar products that are not in Sea Green, and there many organisms in Sea Green that are not in those products. I would say to combine the two for maximum biodiversity. Sea Green specifically is geared to accelerate nutrient uptake, both via halotrophic (salt eating) bacteria for conventional nutrients and saprotrophic bacteria which release nutrients in organic matter.

In the post you quoted, I should have said more accurately that brewing it will simply change the culture and you'll skew the diversity toward aerobic organisms that are best suited to live off the food you're providing in the tea. You'll lessen the amount of facultative bacteria specifically.
 
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