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Ok, cool, good to know, I wasn't sure how many outdoor guys were doing a rinse. Crop is looking stellar.

Thank you.

I only have 6 plants so it's feasible for me to rinse. I figure, for most of the bigger growers it would be cost prohibitive. Even more so with the current prices. I've never trimmed for anyone who washed their herb.
 
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hows the orange creamsicle smelling? does it have that clementine/tangerine kinda smell? i also have been using the fox farm nutes and am happy with the lineup so far. next year im going to do all super soil cause it easier and cheaper and fits my style better. the one plant i did(white buffalo) in strait supersoil with straw mulch and earthworms was started late june from clone watered with only water and a couple compost teas has done outstanding and been by far my most healthy plant this season.
 
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hows the orange creamsicle smelling? does it have that clementine/tangerine kinda smell? i also have been using the fox farm nutes and am happy with the lineup so far. next year im going to do all super soil cause it easier and cheaper and fits my style better. the one plant i did(white buffalo) in strait supersoil with straw mulch and earthworms was started late june from clone watered with only water and a couple compost teas has done outstanding and been by far my most healthy plant this season.

It's kind of hard to describe the smell of the Creamsicle. When I was a kid I lived in pear orchard country. When the harvests were done there were rotten pears all over the ground. In the hotter years the the rotten pears would ferment. It was a very sweet but pungent smell. That's about as close to the Creamsicle smell as I can figure. It is eyewatering when the sun first hits them. My fifth-wheel is only about 25' from the garden. At that distance it's like roadkill skunk. The Kush have a very classic Indica look but the Creamsicle look like they're made out of cake frosting and they've got the density of potatos. It almost seems like I could take a slice with a butterknife and smear them on bread. They are by far the most interesting bud I've ever seen and I would love to grow them again. I will have to find them from a different supplier though, for two reasons; I have a suspicion that they had mites when I got them and the delivery service who sold them to me are scanless douchenozzles who I'll never do business with again. Kind of a bummer but live and learn. I am aiming for a similar Sativa heavy hybrid with similar traits for mainlines next year. I like my mix of nutes this year. Will use the same soil ammendments next year. I'll use the rest of my bat guano as a soil ammendment instead of a topping. Use Fox Farms nutes with AN B-52, CalMag, Ancient Earth, Bud Candy, and Earth Juice Catalyst for the kelp and molasses again. I will spend more than this year but if I can pull off 3-4 3lb+ 32 point mainlined Sativas and 3-4 10lb+ lollypop trees then it will easily pay for itself. I need to plant in May instead of July, lol. I'm going to try to find Royal Dane if possible. If not, I'm pretty sure I can get a hold of Tahoe OG. What I really need to do is get a hold of this one local delivery service that specialises in clones and give them my list of desired traits. I'm not really impressed with Tahoe OG's potency. I wont be happy with a marginal product even if it produces huge crops. Lots to think about. I'm excited because next year I won't be trying to figure out the nutes, but can instead, fine tune them. If I could afford to go all AN, I would, but Fox Farms has some great products at decent prices.
 
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Freaked me out a little earlier this week, on the first cold day, they shrunk up a little like this. They plump back up when they get warm again though. Trippy.

I finally found an estimated flowering time on the Orange Creamsicle. About 90-100 days so everything is right on time and I should still have 4-6 weeks of growth left. Just started ChaChing yesterday so that should cause them to deliver on time with the first harvest in roughly 4-5 weeks.

I need to look back at my pics and find the exact age of my flowers. It's gone by so fast I lost track a little.

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I switched my response over to my grow diary so I don't leave a diatribe on someone elses grow log.

Don't know if I mentioned, I am Sierra grower also. I absolutely think this winter rain is going to be early and heavy. Totally wishing I had crop insurance, lol. I don't stake my netting. I just wrap it around like you might a bunch of flowers to transport them.

I did know that. We're likely within 10 miles of each other, at the furthest, 30 miles as the crow flies. I'm not going to burn our location. I'm sure there's a number of us shopping at the same grocery stores. With how much we produce around here there are bound to be a few of us on here. I think only the Emerald Triangle produces more high grade Grns than we do. I'm just below the pine line now surrounded by oaks but killer grow spot. Was living at 2,950 before, way too much snow for me.

I think you're spot on with your weather prediction. After over two months straight precipitation last year, I was expecting it. You should throw up a shade screen yourself. I was able to do one for under $200. I'd say have it ready and not covered but you know how our hail storms can shut a road down with zero warning. I'm using a 40% screen (30' for around $100) but a lighter one would work fine to protect your girls without altering the sunlight that much, and you might be able to get a better price on the lighter stuff (even a light netting would work). Could save your harvest. Our unseasonably mild winters from the drought appear to be over. I had a friend lose a whole field to hail last year.

I'm doing a grow through and a wrap. Seems to be working well.

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Are you ready for harvest season? I'm starting to see a few painted hippie school busses with stove pipe stacks parked around. The Santa Cruz trimmers are in town, ROFL
 
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I switched my response over to my grow diary so I don't leave a diatribe on someone elses grow log.



I did know that. We're likely within 10 miles of each other, at the furthest, 30 miles as the crow flies. I'm not going to burn our location. I'm sure there's a number of us shopping at the same grocery stores. With how much we produce around here there are bound to be a few of us on here. I think only the Emerald Triangle produces more high grade Grns than we do. I'm just below the pine line now surrounded by oaks but killer grow spot. Was living at 2,950 before, way too much snow for me.

I think you're spot on with your weather prediction. After over two months straight precipitation last year, I was expecting it. You should throw up a shade screen yourself. I was able to do one for under $200. I'd say have it ready and not covered but you know how our hail storms can shut a road down with zero warning. I'm using a 40% screen (30' for around $100) but a lighter one would work fine to protect your girls without altering the sunlight that much, and you might be able to get a better price on the lighter stuff (even a light netting would work). Could save your harvest. Our unseasonably mild winters from the drought appear to be over. I had a friend lose a whole field to hail last year.

I'm doing a grow through and a wrap. Seems to be working well.

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Are you ready for harvest season? I'm starting to see a few painted hippie school busses with stove pipe stacks parked around. The Santa Cruz trimmers are in town, ROFL

Very nice garden going there.
I'm pretty much taking a pass this year. I've got 8 in the ground just for kicks, They've hit 9 feet plus, mostly cuz I didn't keep them super cropped. Have you checked out our grow log from last year?
It's why we are focusing elsewhere this year, lol. I was trimming bud until Easter. Because of our zoning and our medical status, my garden is 600 square feet, 20 x30, at least, lol, and located in the middle of an orchard. Putting up a structure over it that would withstand our storms would be expensive but I agree I will wish I had it if a bad hail storm hits. However, I put a 5 high, 3 foot wide cage around the plants when young and pull branches through. Then I wrap the flowering plant in netting before the weather turns. Sounds like what you're doing up. It gives a lot of flexible rigidity to the buds and should do okay in a smaller hail storm. I admit one of the greatest tools I use in my garden is luck, lol. God protects fools. Peace
 
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Very nice garden going there.
I'm pretty much taking a pass this year. I've got 8 in the ground just for kicks, They've hit 9 feet plus, mostly cuz I didn't keep them super cropped. Have you checked out our grow log from last year?
It's why we are focusing elsewhere this year, lol. I was trimming bud until Easter. Because of our zoning and our medical status, my garden is 600 square feet, 20 x30, at least, lol, and located in the middle of an orchard. Putting up a structure over it that would withstand our storms would be expensive but I agree I will wish I had it if a bad hail storm hits. However, I put a 5 high, 3 foot wide cage around the plants when young and pull branches through. Then I wrap the flowering plant in netting before the weather turns. Sounds like what you're doing up. It gives a lot of flexible rigidity to the buds and should do okay in a smaller hail storm. I admit one of the greatest tools I use in my garden is luck, lol. God protects fools. Peace

Amen Brother
 
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Very nice garden going there.
I'm pretty much taking a pass this year. I've got 8 in the ground just for kicks, They've hit 9 feet plus, mostly cuz I didn't keep them super cropped. Have you checked out our grow log from last year?
It's why we are focusing elsewhere this year, lol. I was trimming bud until Easter. Because of our zoning and our medical status, my garden is 600 square feet, 20 x30, at least, lol, and located in the middle of an orchard. Putting up a structure over it that would withstand our storms would be expensive but I agree I will wish I had it if a bad hail storm hits. However, I put a 5 high, 3 foot wide cage around the plants when young and pull branches through. Then I wrap the flowering plant in netting before the weather turns. Sounds like what you're doing up. It gives a lot of flexible rigidity to the buds and should do okay in a smaller hail storm. I admit one of the greatest tools I use in my garden is luck, lol. God protects fools. Peace


...and yes, I did check out your grow log. It was one of the the first ones on here I read. Those are some bada$$ Christmas trees. It was very inspiring. Thank you.
 
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hard to imagine those creamsicle buds going another 6 weeks, they are going to be insane! how is the azamax doing on those mites? i have the same issue with my blue dream and have only been able to keep them to very minimal numbers with the things i have used, im just going to ride it out from here inspecting and cutting off any infected leaves.
 
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hard to imagine those creamsicle buds going another 6 weeks, they are going to be insane! how is the azamax doing on those mites? i have the same issue with my blue dream and have only been able to keep them to very minimal numbers with the things i have used, im just going to ride it out from here inspecting and cutting off any infected leaves.

(Before anyone follows my advice re: when and how to spray Azamax, I want you to know. Though I'm an experienced gardener, this is my first personal grow and my first season to use Azamax.)

Azamax works pretty well. It doesn't completely eliminate them if you're infested but it will drop their numbers by 99.99% if applied properly. I've hit them 5x this season with Azamax and the only times it really worked were when I absolutely drenched my plants at .5oz per liter/quart (roughly the same amount). If your blooms are still early and they can handle the water weight, shower them off that morning and spray in the evening. Make sure to water your plants afterward. It tends to make them really thirsty. If they are very unhealthy it may be good to use a lower concentration the first application to see how they react. I recommend drenching once you know your girls can handle it (Misting gets more on you than the plants. Even though Azamax is fairly safe it can cause some skin irritation. I started spraying in shorts, tank top, and sandles after I learned to drench with the nozzle more open. Barely any gets on me now and I know I'm not allergic to it. Take a shower afterwards starting with cool water to rinse of and keep your skin pores closed then switch to warm water to completely remove. Wearing a bandana over your face is a good precaution until you get it down.) When their leaves yellowed after application (Azamax seems to effect my Sativa hybrid's nutrient uptake, don't know why yet) I hit them with a half dose of Advandced Nutrients Sensi Cal/Mag Extra and B-52. I'm posting some picks of what it looks like when the Azamax is effective and when it's not. DO NOT RINSE YOUR LEAVES unless you are certain watering will not solve their distress. If you rinse afterward, even if you wait longer than 24 hours, the Azamax will have very little effect. It does not damage the trichombs, so don't worry. The only reason I don't recommend spraying it right up till the last week, the swelling flower bracts could seal it in between them and your bud will taste like processed neem. If a lot of your hairs have died back then I wouldn't recommend spraying because the swell is beginning.

Here a few mites have survived and are still feeding on the veins causing the leaves to look nutrient deficient.
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What they look like if Azamax is effective. You'll first see a pronounced healthy green edge. New growth is uneffected where feeding has stopped (it's very pronounced in the first couple days. Sorry, don't have any pics of that. But you'll know.) Then the whole leaf will begin to heal, minus a few scars.
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Here, you can see the leaf still coated in Azamax after several days. This is why I say not to rinse. The survivors will move quickly to to find new, unprotected places, to feed. Do not avoid spray on the flowers, the mites will use them for shelter from the spay and continue to feed there. I'd rather have them feeding on my leaves than flowers.
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Here, the hairs on my flowers are starting to die back in mass signaling the beginning of the swell. I don't think they should be sprayed after this point. I discussed this with a commercial grower and he agreed. He's pulling 1 1/2lbs off his little plants and 10lbs plus off his Tahoe OG. I tend to trust his judgement.
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@dboy510, I went into detail as an FYI for new growers or people who've never dealt with mites before. This is in no way a critique on you or your grow. You just happened to ask some great questions. As far as harvesting, I feel ya. There's that itch to pull the trigger when they get sooo frosty. I have checked my capitate-stalked glands on a regular basis to make sure I'm not screwing up and they're all clear still, with the exception of some that have been damaged by contact. It blows my mind that they have up to 5-6 weeks left. It's going to be haaard not to harvest early because I need to let some oxidation occur if I want the bracts to be full and potent. I see some bud surgery in my future, lol. Thanks for your post.

Here's a great article I found on trichomes.



After reading it it makes sense to me why rusty trichs make for great wheelchair weed. I'm aiming for the perfect intellectual high sought after by myself and other Sativa/sativa connoisseurs. My Kush is almost purely for trade and if it goes wheelie couch lock, not so much of a loss, but I'm still aiming for a perfect cut on both. Hopefully within that 3-4 day window of perfection.
 
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(Before anyone follows my advice re: when and how to spray Azamax, I want you to know. Though I'm an experienced gardener, this is my first personal grow and my first season to use Azamax.)

Azamax works pretty well. It doesn't completely eliminate them if you're infested but it will drop their numbers by 99.99% if applied properly. I've hit them 5x this season with Azamax and the only times it really worked were when I absolutely drenched my plants at .5oz per liter/quart (roughly the same amount). If your blooms are still early and they can handle the water weight, shower them off that morning and spray in the evening. Make sure to water your plants afterward. It tends to make them really thirsty. If they are very unhealthy it may be good to use a lower concentration the first application to see how they react. I recommend drenching once you know your girls can handle it (Misting gets more on you than the plants. Even though Azamax is fairly safe it can cause some skin irritation. I started spraying in shorts, tank top, and sandles after I learned to drench with the nozzle more open. Barely any gets on me now and I know I'm not allergic to it. Take a shower afterwards starting with cool water to rinse of and keep your skin pores closed then switch to warm water to completely remove. Wearing a bandana over your face is a good precaution until you get it down.) When their leaves yellowed after application (Azamax seems to effect my Sativa hybrid's nutrient uptake, don't know why yet) I hit them with a half dose of Advandced Nutrients Sensi Cal/Mag Extra and B-52. I'm posting some picks of what it looks like when the Azamax is effective and when it's not. DO NOT RINSE YOUR LEAVES unless you are certain watering will not solve their distress. If you rinse afterward, even if you wait longer than 24 hours, the Azamax will have very little effect. It does not damage the trichombs, so don't worry. The only reason I don't recommend spraying it right up till the last week, the swelling flower bracts could seal it in between them and your bud will taste like processed neem. If a lot of your hairs have died back then I wouldn't recommend spraying because the swell is beginning.

Here a few mites have survived and are still feeding on the veins causing the leaves to look nutrient deficient.
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What they look like if Azamax is effective. You'll first see a pronounced healthy green edge. New growth is uneffected where feeding has stopped (it's very pronounced in the first couple days. Sorry, don't have any pics of that. But you'll know.) Then the whole leaf will begin to heal, minus a few scars.
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Here, you can see the leaf still coated in Azamax after several days. This is why I say not to rinse. The survivors will move quickly to to find new, unprotected places, to feed. Do not avoid spray on the flowers, the mites will use them for shelter from the spay and continue to feed there. I'd rather have them feeding on my leaves than flowers.
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Here, the hairs on my flowers are starting to die back in mass signaling the beginning of the swell. I don't think they should be sprayed after this point. I discussed this with a commercial grower and he agreed. He's pulling 1 1/2lbs off his little plants and 10lbs plus off his Tahoe OG. I tend to trust his judgement.
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@dboy510, I went into detail as an FYI for new growers or people who've never dealt with mites before. This is in no way a critique on you or your grow. You just happened to ask some great questions. As far as harvesting, I feel ya. There's that itch to pull the trigger when they get sooo frosty. I have checked my capitate-stalked glands on a regular basis to make sure I'm not screwing up and they're all clear still, with the exception of some that have been damaged by contact. It blows my mind that they have up to 5-6 weeks left. It's going to be haaard not to harvest early because I need to let some oxidation occur if I want the bracts to be full and potent. I see some bud surgery in my future, lol. Thanks for your post.

Here's a great article I found on trichomes.



After reading it it makes sense to me why rusty trichs make for great wheelchair weed. I'm aiming for the perfect intellectual high sought after by myself and other Sativa/sativa connoisseurs. My Kush is almost purely for trade and if it goes wheelie couch lock, not so much of a loss, but I'm still aiming for a perfect cut on both. Hopefully within that 3-4 day window of perfection.
Very informative, thank you! Personally I haven't used Azamax, but I do use neem. How's the smell compared to pure neem? The neem smells like rancid onions/middle school cafeteria food lmao. I didn't find it as effective by itself so I'm rotating it with GH Exile. That knocked them back much faster imo.

-Grow On
 
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Very informative, thank you! Personally I haven't used Azamax, but I do use neem. How's the smell compared to pure neem? The neem smells like rancid onions/middle school cafeteria food lmao. I didn't find it as effective by itself so I'm rotating it with GH Exile. That knocked them back much faster imo.

-Grow On

Smells like a mux of fresh fiberglass and a$$. Don't know what pure neem smells like. I've never used it.
 
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Thanks for the info, next year I am going to let loose with the pest prevention in veg. Being new to growing cannabis I found myself scared to spray agressively early on due to things I read online about pesticides. That and supporting plants early on are two key things for me to improve on moving into my next grow. So for a sativa u probably wouldn't want to wait for trichomes to be Amber would you? My friend with more experience than me says to cut at 50/50 and I understand it is preference just wondering what your idea of perfect would be?
 
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Found a leaf set where the mites just stopped eating. Has that tell-tale healthy edge. The phone's camera doesn't capture it well. Very obvious when you looking at it in person. The mites are still there but they're either not eating or already dead.

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Thanks for the info, next year I am going to let loose with the pest prevention in veg. Being new to growing cannabis I found myself scared to spray agressively early on due to things I read online about pesticides. That and supporting plants early on are two key things for me to improve on moving into my next grow. So for a sativa u probably wouldn't want to wait for trichomes to be Amber would you? My friend with more experience than me says to cut at 50/50 and I understand it is preference just wondering what your idea of perfect would be?

I'm not going to give a number just because I don't know. It really depends on the plant. The Creamsicle are Sativa leaning but still have some very strong indica characteristics. When I see my first ambers I'll take a sample and cut open a bract to check the content. I figure to be able to give a good estimate at that point. There are so many different strains and even within the same strain they can have differing chacteristics depending on how they're bred. Then you've got the weather. It's been in the 40's at night here. It looks like the stress is causing more resin production but none are poppin amber. That could just be the natural cycle. In the end, I'll have figure it out when I get there.

Instead of trying to predict I'm going to use what I know to assess.
 
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Figured while I was down in the garden anyway I'd do a grow log with my phone.

Grow Log 09-22-2017

Dem b*tches gettin big
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What I have to contend with now to get a pic. My cousins girls are getting big as well and their branches are reaching out through the nets. Nothing like the Grn House though. Sorry, can't post pics. I'll leave it to your imaginations (10ft tall no room to fit through at all). The buds aren't very impressive though. A way better peep show with my plants.
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