popular bloom additive recipe

[Jalisco Kid]

I was with reef and he asked what was in my 6 pac I had no clue what he was talking about. I would add some mag phosphate,k phosphate,K sulphate to that list. JK

 

[budboy299]

This is kind of a neat link which gives you the NPK values of a ton of different ferts.
just makes it easier than searching all over the web

 

[redeye]

great thread budboy
so if i can only get the potash at 0-0-48 how much of that would i need to put into the mix for the PK 9/18 ? also do you happen to know the ratio of MKP to bulk amino acid powder and epsom salt so I can make some original big bud...
thanks..
R.E.

 

[budboy299]

Gotta apologize here guys....in post 12 I said that the potassium sulphate I used was 0-0-60, it actually was 0-0-50. Merely a typo on my part. The amounts were based on 0-0-50 so all is ok with the recipe.

BUT....someone said that their country uses potassium sulphate in the 0-0-40 ratio
if your country is this you simply up the amount of potassium to 110.6 grams to make up for the shortfall.
again my apologies

 

[budboy299]

To get the same NPK values as Big Bud use: for 1 Litre of mixture

Monopotassium phosphate 0-52-34 11.6 grams
potassium sulphate 0-0-50 28.4 grams-(or 0-0-40 use 34.08grams)
Magnesium sulphate 0-0-0 10.4 grams (Epsom salts)

then add enough distilled water to finish out the mixture at 1 Litre
The Epsom salts are only in it to boost the Magnesium a little.

I can't find enough info on the amino acids they use but you can get bulk mixture amino acid product to add into it. The aminos do not add any significant amounts to the NPK ratios of the final product.

This actually a pretty weak product as far as a fertilizer goes but with a few guys that love it...the aminos may be the factor which helps, otherwise I simply cannot see where the would be that great.

 

[Seamaiden]

My goodness, you're gonna undercut all these companies. Nice work. :)

Currently involved in a discussion elsewhere on the utility of amino acids, many papers have been shared on the subject, very interesting. Kelp products seem to be very rich in aminos plants appreciate.

 

[budboy299]

I just ordered a fertilizer formulating program called nutron 2000+
Does anyone have any experiences with this software?

it says you can enter the ingredients in your popular fertilizers, along with the NPK ratios and it will engineer the amounts of each ingredient you need to build the same product.

I will give a review once I receive it and figure out how to work it. Let the games begin!

 

[sdgrower]

Nice

 

[Seamaiden]

This thread needs a bump. Squarepusher, can you fix the link PP69 asked about, pretty please?

 

[purpleberry]

This is probally how fert company start, some guy looks at this and says I can sell it for half what they do and make a killing, Then he rents a building, pays elec, insuranace,employes, workmans comp, equipment to package and mix, ect ect, Then he has to ship it to a hydro shoip, and wait that guy has to pay his bills too, By the time you add up all the costs they are probally not making as much as you think they are. Are ferts over priced in hydro shops? probally, but if you spend a good ammount of money you should be getting %20 off everything.

 

[pikes peak 69]

Try this link darling.

http://www.invalid.com/hydroponics-aeroponics/268790-lucas-formula-recipe-scratch-really.html

Sorry posted wrong link at first. This is 28 pages long, good reading in MO.

pp69

This thread needs a bump. Squarepusher, can you fix the link PP69 asked about, pretty please?

 

[leadsled]

Thanks for sharing!! Good stuff. fatman made it to the farm but got banned.

Still learning about the mute mixing. This site also has a calculator and seems to have some good info on the subject.
http://allhydroponics.blogspot.com/

Lead

 

[Seamaiden]

WOW! I should have just opened up the .exe file from the getgo. Wine has really come a long way, opened right up for me and the calculator is working. I'm wearing a big ol' grin right now!

All I need at this point is to know what I'm doing. :o

 

[billyy2288]

This is mainly geared to big time growers or a few buddies going in on supplys to maximize funds in tough economic times

I recently went to a fertilizer manufaturing supply company and took along my trusty bottle of M**B which is a granular bloom booster. This is what they told me..........

I don't want to be sued so M**B will have to suffice I am sure some will guess and be so kind as to fill the other readers in ;)

M**B consists of 3 ingredients which are listed on the package from largest proportion to least

1st is simply Mono-potassium phosphate which is known as MKP 0-52-34
it sells through fertilizer companies locally for 48.50 for 25kgs This 25kg bag is enough to make 27.53 1kg size containers of M**B

2nd is Mono-Ammonium Phosphate, which is known as MAP and is 11-52-34
This also sells through fertilizer companies locally for 110.00 for 25kgs
hopefully you can find it in a smaller quantity than I could as it is enough to make 275 1kg containers of M**B

lastly there is thiamine hydrochloride. online chemical lab supply places carry this. (Google is your friend)
I got this at 49.00 per 100 grams which is enough to make 100 1kg containers or M**B


for 1kg of M**B you use 905.19 grams of MKP
90.81 grams of MAP
1.0 grams of thiamine hydrochloride

this will give you 1-52-34 with a .01% thiamine hydrochloride




My initial outlay of 207.00 has given me enough bulk ingredients to make 27kgs of M**B

Even better though....the fella at the fertilizer supply company said that the addition of the MAP only supplies 1% nitrogen to the mix. he suggested that if you run hydro...simply you can run your nutes at 90% bloom and 10% veg which would completely eliminate the need for the MAP altogether.

This would bring your total cost down to less than 100 dollars total for enough raw ferts to make 25 kgs of this
Certainly seems better than the internet price of anywhere from 60-90 bucks for 1kg of the original product


I am certainly not knocking anyone going out and purchasing the original product from a retailer as it is a great product which is very concentrated and lasts quite a while. But for guys with huge grows....bulk raw materials sure helps out.


hope someone found this usefull

Thanks you for the post.

 

[Crysmatic]

hey budboy, how do you like nutron 2000? how is it compared to hydro buddy?

btw, bud candy/factor x is 51 g/L of epsom salts. sweet is 152 g/L. what gets me is bud candy's application rate is 2 ml/L while sweet is 15-20 ml/L - AN adds only 10 ppm vs 90 ppm. it's $0.10 worth of espom salt and they sell it for $27. sweet goes for $20 for $0.30 worth of salts. sweet is the better deal ;)

 

[Seamaiden]

Budboy's working on something special, I sure hope he gets it figured out. :)

 

[brownstormy]

There's more than just epsom salts in these aren't there?

btw, bud candy/factor x is 51 g/L of epsom salts. sweet is 152 g/L. what gets me is bud candy's application rate is 2 ml/L while sweet is 15-20 ml/L - AN adds only 10 ppm vs 90 ppm. it's $0.10 worth of espom salt and they sell it for $27. sweet goes for $20 for $0.30 worth of salts. sweet is the better deal ;)

 

[egykalapalatt]

Based on this label there's only epsom salt in that Bud Candy.


Based on an other label it doesn't contain any epsom salt, but was derived from potassium sulfate, fruit juices and yeast.


The first label (with only epsom salt) is for Oregon according to AN's website.
Oregon has strict regulations on fertilizer labels, the other label might be for an other country, Europe, or it might be just on older label who knows.


Anyway it might be possible that AN just dumped a quart of expired fruit juice into 1000 gal Bud Candy and there you go, now it contains grape and cranberries extracts along with sugars, vitamins, citric acid etc, all coming from that 1 quart fruit juice. Drop in some malt and yeast and you have all that L-aminos and vitamin B's.


I used Nutron 2000+ and Hydrobuddy but Hydrobuddy is way better, Nutron does not worth the money.

 

[aRiv]

what a thread to come across!

BudBoy, thanks for sharing all this with us!

I came across a post you made for canna's coco base..

Part A 4-0-1

Calcium is 4.5%

Density 1176 g/l

Derived from Calcium Nitrate and Potassium Nitrate

4 Liters of concentrate

16.72 grams of Potassium Nitrate
526.0 grams of Yara Calcium Nitrate
72.3 grams Iron DPTA 7%
_______________________________________________________________________________

Part B 1-4-2

Magnesium 1.2%
Sulphur 1%

Density 1108 g/l

Derived from: Magnesium Nitrate, Magnesium Sulphate, and Potassium Phosphate

82 grams Magnesium Nitrate
136 grams Magnesium Sulphate
135.2 grams Mono-Potassium Phosphate

Trace minerals which are:
11.1 grams Zinc Sulphate
7.8 grams Manganese Sulphate
9.9 grams Copper Sulphate
14.5 grams Boric Acid
.1 gram Sodium Molybdate


also if you use Canna Coco, you more than likely will not need CalMag. This is because Calmag is composed of 1.2% Mg and 3.2% calcium, Ingredients are Calcium Nitrate and Magnesium Nitrate. The exact same ingredients already in Canna Coco, and Canna already has them in larger quantities than the Calmag. So adding the Calmag is redundant.

CalMag Plus is: 2-0-0

1.94% Nitrate Nitrogen
.06% water soluble nitrogen
3.2% Calcium
1.2% Magnesium
.1% chelated iron


Derived from: Calcium Nitrate 15.5-0-0
Magnesium Nitrate %15 MgO (%9.5 Mg) and %11 Nitrate Nitrogen
Iron DPTA 6%



For 3.8 Litres

143.0 grams Magnesium Nitrate
43.4 grams Yara Calcium Nitrate
16.1 grams Iron DPTA 6%
1.2 grams Sodium Benzoate (as a preservative)

I was wondering if a Canna COGR recipe was available? They have a separate veg/flower 2 part.

Thanks!!:bong2:

 

[edub30]

Hey Budboy, Was researching your thread as I'm starting to make my own nutes. For Bloom, I use the MOAB/Hammerhead combo that was suggested by Dannygreenthumb with great results. Anyway to get a formula where everything is already premixed where all I would have to do is cut my base nutes in half and add homemade MOAB/Hammerhead concoction ? Thanks for all the recipes by the way. You rock!