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That's totally random! And a big moveOld Pat lives in my area now
That's totally random! And a big moveOld Pat lives in my area now
No it hasn't, I'm trying as is organiks and a couple others. I'm stoked you're here, stick around and share that knowledge you have!
Thank you, I really appreciate that@Organikz @brazel @RanchoDeluxe
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE continue on with spreading the wealth of knowledge you all posses on organic No Till gardening!
I am sure I can't be the only one here on the farm who wants to make the change. Over the years I went from soil to many types of hydro, hydro back down to coco, and now I'm really interested in heading down the No Till path. What I am really excited about, albeit pretty intimidated by, is opening myself up to a whole new realm of indoor gardening. I have always found the learning process behind growing cannabis to be a kind of addiction for me... and I'm ready for a new drug!
I am stoked to hear about reusing the soil, as this was the reason I ditched it many years ago.
As a no till newb... I am also appreciative of the companies such as BAS who are helping out as best they know how. Sourcing all the components I have seen listed and storing them in my limited space would be difficult to do right off the bat, so a pre mix version is probably where I would like to start.
Anyway, please carry on gentlemen.... it's winter now and I plan on holing up next to the fire and learning me some organic no till gardening!
Peace
Your dry amendments can be purchased at Planet Natural in 4-6lb boxes or 50lb sacks. They carry Oly Mt compost too. It will be far cheaper than BAS. I know the owners of both companies. Both of them wouldn't hesitate for a second, if they could sell their mothers soul to the devil.@Organikz @brazel @RanchoDeluxe
PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE continue on with spreading the wealth of knowledge you all posses on organic No Till gardening!
I am sure I can't be the only one here on the farm who wants to make the change. Over the years I went from soil to many types of hydro, hydro back down to coco, and now I'm really interested in heading down the No Till path. What I am really excited about, albeit pretty intimidated by, is opening myself up to a whole new realm of indoor gardening. I have always found the learning process behind growing cannabis to be a kind of addiction for me... and I'm ready for a new drug!
I am stoked to hear about reusing the soil, as this was the reason I ditched it many years ago.
As a no till newb... I am also appreciative of the companies such as BAS who are helping out as best they know how. Sourcing all the components I have seen listed and storing them in my limited space would be difficult to do right off the bat, so a pre mix version is probably where I would like to start.
Anyway, please carry on gentlemen.... it's winter now and I plan on holing up next to the fire and learning me some organic no till gardening!
Peace
Haha I try to tell them this! Remember when he first started talking about bas and what it is now!! like whoa! It's all business now! I'll still scoop up from there occasionally, but fuck he sure sells everything!Your dry amendments can be purchased at Planet Natural in 4-6lb boxes or 50lb sacks. They carry Oly Mt compost too. It will be far cheaper than BAS. I know the owners of both companies. Both of them wouldn't hesitate for a second, if they could sell their mothers soul to the devil.
RD
Haha I try to tell them this! Remember when he first started talking about bas and what it is now!! like whoa! It's all business now! I'll still scoop up from there occasionally, but fuck he sure sells everything!
I had to take a break, I need to join you on being more calm ha
Yeah you got soil ready to go. I recommend that as a easy way to jump in and get stoked!To be fair and to give props where props are deserved... I just ordered from BAS for the first time (2 weeks ago) on my first organic grow - I'm a bottle guy - and they let me know that many of the organic amendments I thought I needed weren't needed as their LOS was good to go out of the bag. They lost money on this purchase and I have to respect the fact that they were willing to do that. They are bigger business than the last time I looked at their products a year ago but from what I can tell they are providing good customer service. That's refreshing in this business. Oh... and organic? I'm liking how this new grow is going. It's like learning all over again. Good times :)
I mean I could sell crack and not use it and even recommend that others don't use it,jus bidness lol
Did i miss something? 50 posts about no till recycled soil and no mention of soil testing.
Recycling soil without verifying that base saturation, micro and traces are in range is not best practice. Using the same nutes and amendments over and over without soil analysis will create the very common, quality killing condition of excess K, Mg , Fe and low Ca, Mn. Certainly every garden is a little different but working without analysis, particularly with recycled soil, is an amateur error.
Complete sarcasm,wasn't serious.I mean I could sell crack and not use it and even recommend that others don't use it,jus bidness lol
I think you've missed the boat amigo!
I've got 40 yards of soil that I can assure you will do quite fine without a soil test.
I had done many bioassays with the same soil mix and no till practices. One lasting in a no till for four years and only ending because I chose to shut it down. This knowledge is far more helpful than any soil test.
Soil tests are difficult for your average person to understand and interpret. They do not tell the entire story either. No till gardening is a proven system and can be easily replicated.
Happy Growing
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Braggart are you frightened of science?
Did i miss something? 50 posts about no till recycled soil and no mention of soil testing.
Recycling soil without verifying that base saturation, micro and traces are in range is not best practice. Using the same nutes and amendments over and over without soil analysis will create the very common, quality killing condition of excess K, Mg , Fe and low Ca, Mn. Certainly every garden is a little different but working without analysis, particularly with recycled soil, is an amateur error.
Due to the very nature and design of the soil we create an extremely high CEC is inevitable and one of our main goals. Soil Test Interpretation 101 discusses how soils with a high CEC will need large amounts of fertilizer or lime to have any effect on a soil test. Nearly rendering the test mute by this simple fact alone.
Percent Base Saturation is a subject that even leading agronomists with PhD's disagree upon. One group says cations need to be present in specific ratios. Another group believes the presence of these cations is all that is necessary and that the ratios are irrelevant. This also plays into the confusion about how to even rectify a soil test or if it's even lacking to begin with.
How about the fact that a typical soil test doesn't measure every cation anyway?
Man took on the quest of agriculture many moons ago, long before the invention of the soil test. Unknowingly choosing areas with high CEC and humic content in river floodplains. Use of animal manures also helped create these same conditions.
Looking forward to the scientific discussion that this may lead to and I also appreciate your humor. I'm sure you're a really funny guy.
Thanks.
RD
Thought u were done w the farm man?With this being a common constant, and with many visual identifications, could one not dump K (Mg as well to a lesser extent) using gypsum (simultaneously raising Ca,) and/or bring Mn up using Mn sulfate or a product like Big 6 in incremental quantities of known safe doses? I agree with your observation, but my experience has been that it's easy enough to fix when you get the basic concept of CEC. Cover/companion crops, stable humus, and diverse microbiology seem to do much of this bio remediation without need of our intervention, given the appropriate environment and enough time. I'm familiar with work in brix/albrecht/slownickel's findings, but have you found any studies on high CEC soils and application of these ratios? I understand how difficult it would be to shift the ratios at this level, but I'm curious if there's any side by side of say a 30+ CEC soil at different Ca saturations.
This is where it gets interesting.. In theory, both camps could be right. These are just my thoughts, but I think in lower - mid CEC soils ratios matter considerably more. Once you pass a threshold, it's more of a "if it's there, and not in toxic levels" kind of thing. Sometimes we get so focused on percentages we forget those are accounting for a vastly different total level of nutrients. Maybe certain ppms are more of baseline requirement in a given media than an exact ratio, but I don't know
I'm new here, but I apologize if I took someone's handle!Thought u were done w the farm man?