The Feds Are Looking Into Colorado’s Weed Black Market

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Officials from the DEA and the White House have quietly been holding meetings in Colorado to discuss the marijuana blackmarket, heightening concerns that federal authorities could be planning a crackdown in states with legal weed.

A meeting Wednesday in Colorado Springs was supposed to be secret, but local news station KKTV staked it out and filmed attendees coming and going. The participants reportedly included two DEA officials and representatives from the Justice Department, the Office of National Drug Control Policy, and the office of Vice President Mike Pence. The feds met with the mayor of Colorado Springs, the town’s chief of police, a local doctor, and a school district official.


Colorado Springs Mayor John Suthers told KKTV that “most of the discussion centered around the huge black market that exists for marijuana in Colorado.”

The Trump administration delegation also reportedly met earlier this week with the staff of Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, but the governor himself did not participate in the talks.

Located about 70 miles south of Denver, Colorado Springs has been at the center of the debate about how to handle so-called “diversion” of marijuana from Colorado to other states where the drug remains illegal. In March, state authorities indicted 16 people accused of smuggling thousands of pounds of weed from Colorado Springs, Denver, and other towns to Illinois, Arkansas, Minnesota, and Missouri.

Suthers told KKTV that the feds talked to local law enforcement about “what they’re finding in houses — what they’re finding, and who is doing it, and where these people are coming from.”

President Donald Trump said on the campaign trail that he thinks marijuana “should be a state issue,” but Attorney General Jeff Sessions is an outspoken opponent of legal weed. Sessions created a special task force to review the Justice Department’s policy on marijuana enforcement; the recommendations are due July 27.

The Office of National Drug Control Policy said the federal officials visited at Hickenlooper’s invitation and had “open discussions” about “Colorado’s black drug market, the state’s regulatory and enforcement framework, and drug use and other trends in the state.”

A spokesperson at DEA headquarters in Washington, D.C., wasn’t aware of the meeting until VICE News asked about it Thursday, but said it likely involved state-level officials from the federal agency. An agent from the DEA’s Denver field office declined to discuss the meeting or say who attended.

Eight states and Washington, DC, now allow recreational marijuana sales to adults, and the DEA and other federal law enforcement agencies have mostly been hands-off. But the Cole Memo, which lays out the Justice Department’s stance on legal weed, says preventing “diversion of marijuana outside of the regulated system and to other states” is a top priority.

After the big black market weed bust in March, a DEA spokesperson accused illicit growers and dealers of operating under the guise of legalization. “They get appropriate paperwork, but they are going to grow as much as they can and all of the excess is going out of state,” the DEA’s James Gothe told the Denver Post.

A report published last year by the Colorado Information Analysis Center found that from January 2014 to August 2015, police officials around the country reported 169 cases where they seized marijuana or hash that came from Colorado. Another report from the Rocky Mountain High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area, a federal anti-drug agency, said the Colorado State Patrol made 394 seizures in 2015 of Colorado pot that was destined for 36 states.

On the other hand, as VICE News has reported previously, there’s ample evidence that state-level legalization has cut into the profits of Mexican cartels that used to dominate the marijuana trade, and largely put local black market dealers out of business. Colorado uses marijuana tax revenue to fund schools and combat the opioid crisis.

Jason Warf, executive director for the Southern Colorado Cannabis Council, suggested the Colorado Springs meeting was about how local authorities can use federal drug laws to confiscate cash and property from marijuana dealers. Earlier this week, Sessions rolled back Obama-era restrictions on the use of civil asset forfeiture. Under the new policy, local cops can partner with the DEA to use forfeiture in drug cases even when it’s against state law.

“It is now far more lucrative for a municipality to work with the federal government on drug arrests, rather than prosecuting individuals under state law,” Warf said in a statement, according to KKTV. “Under federal seizure laws, they receive a much larger percentage of assets seized. We have received word and believe that these meetings are about circumventing state law because of this revenue difference.”


https://news.vice.com/story/the-feds-are-looking-into-colorados-weed-black-market
 
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Officials from the DEA and the White House have quietly been holding meetings in Colorado to discuss the marijuana blackmarket, heightening concerns that federal authorities could be planning a crackdown in states with legal weed.

A meeting Wednesday in Colorado Springs was supposed to be secret, but local news station KKTV staked it out and filmed attendees coming and going. The participants reportedly included two DEA officials and representatives from the Justice Department, the Office of National Drug Control Policy, and the office of Vice President Mike Pence. The feds met with the mayor of Colorado Springs, the town’s chief of police, a local doctor, and a school district official.


Colorado Springs Mayor John Suthers told KKTV that “most of the discussion centered around the huge black market that exists for marijuana in Colorado.”

The Trump administration delegation also reportedly met earlier this week with the staff of Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, but the governor himself did not participate in the talks.

Located about 70 miles south of Denver, Colorado Springs has been at the center of the debate about how to handle so-called “diversion” of marijuana from Colorado to other states where the drug remains illegal. In March, state authorities indicted 16 people accused of smuggling thousands of pounds of weed from Colorado Springs, Denver, and other towns to Illinois, Arkansas, Minnesota, and Missouri.

Suthers told KKTV that the feds talked to local law enforcement about “what they’re finding in houses — what they’re finding, and who is doing it, and where these people are coming from.”

President Donald Trump said on the campaign trail that he thinks marijuana “should be a state issue,” but Attorney General Jeff Sessions is an outspoken opponent of legal weed. Sessions created a special task force to review the Justice Department’s policy on marijuana enforcement; the recommendations are due July 27.

The Office of National Drug Control Policy said the federal officials visited at Hickenlooper’s invitation and had “open discussions” about “Colorado’s black drug market, the state’s regulatory and enforcement framework, and drug use and other trends in the state.”

A spokesperson at DEA headquarters in Washington, D.C., wasn’t aware of the meeting until VICE News asked about it Thursday, but said it likely involved state-level officials from the federal agency. An agent from the DEA’s Denver field office declined to discuss the meeting or say who attended.

Eight states and Washington, DC, now allow recreational marijuana sales to adults, and the DEA and other federal law enforcement agencies have mostly been hands-off. But the Cole Memo, which lays out the Justice Department’s stance on legal weed, says preventing “diversion of marijuana outside of the regulated system and to other states” is a top priority.

After the big black market weed bust in March, a DEA spokesperson accused illicit growers and dealers of operating under the guise of legalization. “They get appropriate paperwork, but they are going to grow as much as they can and all of the excess is going out of state,” the DEA’s James Gothe told the Denver Post.

A report published last year by the Colorado Information Analysis Center found that from January 2014 to August 2015, police officials around the country reported 169 cases where they seized marijuana or hash that came from Colorado. Another report from the Rocky Mountain High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area, a federal anti-drug agency, said the Colorado State Patrol made 394 seizures in 2015 of Colorado pot that was destined for 36 states.

On the other hand, as VICE News has reported previously, there’s ample evidence that state-level legalization has cut into the profits of Mexican cartels that used to dominate the marijuana trade, and largely put local black market dealers out of business. Colorado uses marijuana tax revenue to fund schools and combat the opioid crisis.

Jason Warf, executive director for the Southern Colorado Cannabis Council, suggested the Colorado Springs meeting was about how local authorities can use federal drug laws to confiscate cash and property from marijuana dealers. Earlier this week, Sessions rolled back Obama-era restrictions on the use of civil asset forfeiture. Under the new policy, local cops can partner with the DEA to use forfeiture in drug cases even when it’s against state law.

“It is now far more lucrative for a municipality to work with the federal government on drug arrests, rather than prosecuting individuals under state law,” Warf said in a statement, according to KKTV. “Under federal seizure laws, they receive a much larger percentage of assets seized. We have received word and believe that these meetings are about circumventing state law because of this revenue difference.”


https://news.vice.com/story/the-feds-are-looking-into-colorados-weed-black-market
I mentioned in a few other threads here that people need to think before acting. Especially trying to sell to dispensaries. At federal level nobody is legal. Even signing up for a medical card. Legalization at state level just made people expose themselves. Now all of their names are on the list. Doors will come down soon as government feels their profit is threatened. USA is not the land of the free as advertised. And they can play what they want they've had their hands in the pocket of cartels a long time now. Extortion and monopoly. That is our government.
 
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The risk and rewards must always be reviewed.

When colorado first opened up they had warning from Fed's regarding exports.

The full force of the fed's will destroy the b.m. and not touch the states opening up. This will be the next phase transition because states and the government do need the tax money.
 
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the way its suposed to work is when more than 50% of the states legalize something the senate is suposed to vote to change the law to favor those states.last time i checked we had 26 states with med laws,so why in the hell dont they take pot off schedule 1 narco list? these fuckers need to do their jobs or we need new senators.be nice if trump would make a few more bad tweets about sessions,i feel like ole jeefy will resign if trump keeps picking on him lol
 
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Look at this. Guy busted in illinois with 400lb's or so then they figure out source in Humbolt cali- Watched the dude for 18 months ..... So now they have his other contacts. Just collecting more and more information ....

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Big Illinois Weed Bust Leads Authorities Back to Humboldt Megagrow Featuring Numerous Alleged Violations

A total of 5497 marijuana plants were being grown on the property.

On May 25, 2017 Agents with the Humboldt County Drug Task Force assisted by members of the Humboldt County Sheriff’s Office, Humboldt County Code Enforcement, Humboldt County Environmental Health, California Department of Fish and Wildlife, and Illinois State Police served two search warrants.
The first search warrant was served at a residence located in the 2600 block of Visser Court in McKinleyville. When Agents arrived they located one of the home owners, 35 year old Rhett Baker along with 30 year old David Garibay. During the search Agents located approximately 200 pounds of processed/packaged marijuana bud, a digital scale, pay and owe sheets and approximately $150,000 in U.S. currency which was seized as proceeds from illegal drug sales. The second search warrant was served on a rural piece of property owned by Rhett Baker off Route 1 in Humboldt County. When law enforcement arrived several subjects fled into the brush. One subject, 41 year old Adrian Villagrana was captured.


https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2017/may/26/illinois-weed-bust-leads-authorities-back-humboldt/
 
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I mentioned in a few other threads here that people need to think before acting. Especially trying to sell to dispensaries. At federal level nobody is legal. Even signing up for a medical card. Legalization at state level just made people expose themselves. Now all of their names are on the list. Doors will come down soon as government feels their profit is threatened. USA is not the land of the free as advertised. And they can play what they want they've had their hands in the pocket of cartels a long time now. Extortion and monopoly. That is our government.
This is why California is a shit show and Colorado has issues with diversion.

You do understand that Colorado growers can't just sell their wares to the local mmc right?
 
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How does the selling / buying nexus work in colorado ?

I would see guys moving into colo from say florida online, start a seed company three years ago and get a set of med cards that said he could grow 90 + plants .... in his house.

And now its like seeking return / yield- with high yield bonds. Normal funds under the gun in money markets buying garbage with risk ...... so these guys with the price drops must move larger and larger bundles so they can make $$$$$$$$$$$ ..... not smart.
 
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This is why California is a shit show and Colorado has issues with diversion.

You do understand that Colorado growers can't just sell their wares to the local mmc right?
The reason they can't is the money. They'll allow you do sell it to them for a nickle on the dollar. I'll bet you.


Government controls the grow warehouses. They secure them and inspect regularly. Every inch is on camera with a feed directly to them too. They control the output and take theirs off the top. I just built one in Maryland.i personally saw and talked to a lot of the people involved. I am in the pictures that went in the news. And the government is paid off and this place doesn't even have the green light yet but already paying their way. This one dispensary is a 30 million dollar roll of the dice. It's a monopoly. That's why they won't buy anyone stuff. If they feel pockets are being shorted they will take over n have inmates produce it all for about a dollar a day per employee. No one can match the numbers.
 
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The system wants you to buy from the dispensary and ship it out. That's the only reason the industry does so well. That's why they are all pushing concentrate and edibles. I could buy 2 ounces of live resin a day, everyday lol with just a regular card:D
 
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Colorado's " system " wants you buying as much as possible for tax funding orgy.

But ...... The guys who get screwed over as those cheap packs enter NY, Chicago, Texas, Minn ..... hate the imports. So ....... they have a wee more power than colorado .gov locals mafia' , so colorado got the heads up things are changing and the fed's will now move in and clean up this mess'.....

Many of the guys at the highest levels with the black market stuff are already working hand / hand with .gov. So if the state is not totally opened up like say illinois, they are getting hit hard from imports into illinois. Again, some of these guys in every state are untouchable, insiders, safe houses ect ....
 
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Colorado's " system " wants you buying as much as possible for tax funding orgy.

But ...... The guys who get screwed over as those cheap packs enter NY, Chicago, Texas, Minn ..... hate the imports. So ....... they have a wee more power than colorado .gov locals mafia' , so colorado got the heads up things are changing and the fed's will now move in and clean up this mess'.....

Many of the guys at the highest levels with the black market stuff are already working hand / hand with .gov. So if the state is not totally opened up like say illinois, they are getting hit hard from imports into illinois. Again, some of these guys in every state are untouchable, insiders, safe houses ect ....
Escobar stuff lol. I see the rubber band gang anytime I have been to a dispensary. They always buy all the cheap wax oil then they come back the next day and the next day and the next day.
And everyone is like oh but he's sick and needs those meds.....sure gets his ass out of bed everyday when that money is calling. Hickenpoop just loves it.
 
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A safe house i visited and used for buying 15 years ago was filled with judges ( one a fed ), police, mexicans, russians, ect .....

In 2005 some guys spoke about the civil war in mexico breaking out was cartel lines that went back hundreds of years broken during bush era'.... So this upset many many people and the place shut down over time i visited. These families had control then new people given control .... So at the time, this place was located in a heavy democratic city and this mexican apple cart being turned over hurt them badly. So these connections also reached into usa and changed things. Just from ones city's perspective but an interesting story and as it unfolded guys moving all kinds of stuff just vanished like a huge change just happened so with the power they had, i think its true

So with the border wall i assume in some way this is just a way of getting money into government and the price dropping only helps them in the long run. And most smokers if not smoking every day all day do not care about names or that stuff and get blasted off a couple bowl rips or off a oil pen being sold for $60.00.

So most people will have no problem just buying from the state.
 
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How does the selling / buying nexus work in colorado ?

I would see guys moving into colo from say florida online, start a seed company three years ago and get a set of med cards that said he could grow 90 + plants .... in his house.

And now its like seeking return / yield- with high yield bonds. Normal funds under the gun in money markets buying garbage with risk ...... so these guys with the price drops must move larger and larger bundles so they can make $$$$$$$$$$$ ..... not smart.
You would be right on the money if this was 2005-2008, but it's not, and here we have people outside of Colorado discussing Colorado politics and grey/black drug markets. I love it.
@GrowGod surely nobody takes advantage of medical marijuana when it's lower in cost and taxes than recreational herb, right? Colorado has to have the highest portion of adults over age 18 that suffer from chronic pain and muscle spasms.
 
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Honestly they shouldn't be so hard on green anyways in my opinion. My famous quote on green is " when's the last time someone smoked a joint wrecked the car went home kicked the dog n beat thief wife". People do that daily with alcohol which is legal. At the end of the day everything comes to dollars n cents. That is what runs America. Money.
 
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You would be right on the money if this was 2005-2008, but it's not, and here we have people outside of Colorado discussing Colorado politics and grey/black drug markets. I love it.
@GrowGod surely nobody takes advantage of medical marijuana when it's lower in cost and taxes than recreational herb, right? Colorado has to have the highest portion of adults over age 18 that suffer from chronic pain and muscle spasms.
And the need to ingest 2 ounces of extract everyday:D don't get me started on extend plant/weight lol
 
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Honestly they shouldn't be so hard on green anyways in my opinion. My famous quote on green is " when's the last time someone smoked a joint wrecked the car went home kicked the dog n beat thief wife". People do that daily with alcohol which is legal. At the end of the day everything comes to dollars n cents. That is what runs America. Money.
When you are able to show that there is more profit to be made by our government by pot being legal, rather than illegal and propped up by the prison industrial complex, lawyers, 'rehab' facilities, and all of the other unseen hands on the wheel, then we can have a heartfelt meeting around the campfire.

I don't think there are many people other than jeffe sessions that would argue that marijuana has no medical value, has high likelihood of abuse, etc, and whatever other criteria they use for scheduling drugs.

Alcohol is marketed to minors because they spend a ton of money to make booze look cool and hip.
 
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And the need to ingest 2 ounces of extract everyday:D don't get me started on extend plant/weight lol
It's a new fad, trying to overdose on propylene glycol and n-butane. They can't get their fix blasting spidermite pot with triple x cans of tane like they used to.
 
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When you are able to show that there is more profit to be made by our government by pot being legal, rather than illegal and propped up by the prison industrial complex, lawyers, 'rehab' facilities, and all of the other unseen hands on the wheel, then we can have a heartfelt meeting around the campfire.

I don't think there are many people other than jeffe sessions that would argue that marijuana has no medical value, has high likelihood of abuse, etc, and whatever other criteria they use for scheduling drugs.

Alcohol is marketed to minors because they spend a ton of money to make booze look cool and hip.
Ya like those corona commercials! Everyone has a perfect body:smoking:
 
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That's why they are controlling it n making people expose themselves. Instead of just saying it's ok now. Read my posts. They are getting everyone to sign the search warrant for their own houses. They will pull the power move and every dummy that tried to sell something to a dispensary will watch their door fly off the hinges. Also eliminating their competition. They get paid from all angles. They are knee deep in all the " illegal" drugs now. And then get paid again to lock people up. Federal funding houses inmates. Where does federal funding come from. Me. That's where. Taxpayers. It's another way to make our money disappear into thier pockets. Look at social security funds. I hope for the best but I honestly see this whole legalizing as a well thought out plan. They get people to tell on themselves. They pop em. Make all thier money houses drugs disappear to an evidence room n claim to destroy it. People are shot with destroyed guns regularly. People are buying dope that has been busted before regularly. Corruption extortion and monopoly. That is our government.
 
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