Coco Seedling And Problems

[Wisher619]

just allow them to dry to about 30-50%
you will notice as the media begins to dry the plants will begin to pray ( leaves will stretch towards the sky)
@MidwestToker

ran these at 1.5 ec as seedlings
once they hit 6 nodes I bumped to 1.8
even in coir I havnt heard anyone running that low unless it is a continual drip system....as some of the minerals the plant will use extremely fast and if not enough for a period of time will begin to throw an imbalance so with that low of #'s you are probably running bigger pots and feeding a shit ton a day......
I feed 2 times a day once lights on and once at hour 6
when the media starts to dry coco releases its bank and the ec starts to climb as well as the ph so the plants get stronger nutes at differ ph range before it gets brought back down
there are alot of differ ways to grow in coco as long as you follow cocos basic principals
I have had extremely good success with the way I do it
oh and by the way
Cannabis can actually take way more then peppers or basil which both are really sensitive to nutes and ph swing

 

[MidwestToker]

This site is a wonderful place to acquire some knowledge. Just read some more on coir growing and you'll be fine.

 

[MidwestToker]

As you said every grower has their way that works for them. I've yet to find any strain I've grown to require above 1.5 ec. No I run 9 liter pots , watered twice a day 32 ounces each watering at lights on and 6 hours later. These were run with just 1.0 ec feedings.

 

[Wisher619]

@MidwestToker
what type of light are you running
I run a 400 but it is about 8" away from the plants which nets more photon in turn forces my plants to use more nutrients
If I was running under lower light conditions I would run a lower ec because the plant wouldnt be using as much
are those at finish?
I see those leaves look a little sad and droopy? Flowers look great though
funny I run much smaller pots

from a dixie to a 5" square
I dont think my leaves have ever drooped unless they get really dry

 

[Wisher619]

I hope that you're ec meter is a .7 conversion because I'd fry most of my seedling at 1.0 ec @ a .5 conversion.

what exactly does that mean??
ec is standard.....to find out the conversion you would work backwards.....1.0 ec at .5 conversion is still 1.0 ec at .7 conversion
the only thing that changes are the ppm of the conversion.....at 1.0 ec at .7 you are running 700 ppm or at .5 you are running 500ppm which isnt enough IMO
so to figure out what you need in ec you find out what conversion your nute company runs and then convert to what ec you want
for instance I run 1.8 in flower
I use botanicare and they use .7 so I am running 1260ppm
.5 conversion which is what my ppm meter runs I am running 900 ppm both equal 1.8ec so you have me completely confused by this statement???? just wondering what you mean

 

[cocoJoe]

I don't use bagged coco.. Been there done that.. It had bugs.. Learned my lesson..
I use use bales of coco..
Always the Best o' Luck

 

[Wisher619]

@maimunji
your plants are lookin way better dont give up just yet....give it a week or 2

 

[maimunji]

Plants is 4 week from sprouts. Most people at this point start flowering. I just can't wait more. I transplant all plants this night

 

[MidwestToker]

No 600 watts , Droopiness from being in dark cycle when pics were taken. 1 week out from harvest. 1st pic is Greenthumbs g-13, 2nd is a cross I did in 08 of a blueberry x Mango Haze we called Blue Mango.
I grew under 400s for years in coir with nothing but 7 ml of CNS-17 coco & soil formula per gallon and lights hung 6-8 inches above the canopy.

And my bad on the ec it was meant to be the other way around. I get a little excited sometimes when ec conversions, as you stated could be 1260 ppm or 900 ppm @1.8 ec

As the poster states he is new to coir, I can't see giving him the advice to start at 500 ppm on his seedling knowing that he could grow it with less and maybe successfully harvest a crop over burning them up with too much initially. No disrespect.

 

[MidwestToker]

Plants is 4 week from sprouts. Most people at this point start flowering. I just can't wait more. I transplant all plants this night

Good luck to you.

 

[Wisher619]

no disrespect taken
I understand where you are comming from
at the same time....I have never...ever seen anyone....run that low of #'s and actually grow.....Anything....literally....anything

 

[Wisher619]

@MidwestToker
so you were able to run at .67ec in coco to harvest.....dude that is freakin awesome.....how the hell did you do that....
I'm not trying to be an ass....I literally want to know how you did that....are you DTW or do you run an enzyme or do you flush once a week or....I just dont understand
Please help
If I could run my shit that low my gallon would last like 20 harvests....
the problem is with any strain I have ever run....anything below 1.5ec they start to suffer....and thats under T-8 fluorescents in veg and whatnot
thats is crazy...please do explain

 

[maimunji]

No Midwest toker I dont have dark cycle I run 24/7

 

[MidwestToker]

@MidwestToker
so you were able to run at .67ec in coco to harvest.....dude that is freakin awesome.....how the hell did you do that....
I'm not trying to be an ass....I literally want to know how you did that....are you DTW or do you run an enzyme or do you flush once a week or....I just dont understand
Please help
If I could run my shit that low my gallon would last like 20 harvests....
the problem is with any strain I have ever run....anything below 1.5ec they start to suffer....and thats under T-8 fluorescents in veg and whatnot
thats is crazy...please do explain

I only use a cal-mag, base nutrients and hydroplex for a mid-flower booster in RO water and at least once a week I make sure of a 20% run-off.
In you're case running that small of pots I would be feeding more often at a lesser strength. And don't forget a vital ingredient, H2O without enough water in you're coir transpiration slows and so does' nutrient uptake. IMO this is why you're experiencing having to run such a high ec. I'd be interested in seeing what you're run-off ec is.
And no my scale is a .5 so 1.0 ec= 500ppm. Cost me less than $75 a year in nutes' to produce around 20lbs.

 

[maimunji]

Thanks for reply to all people drooping is from too close to cfl. I move feet away from plants and today leaves recover. One Cfl 200 w and second is 125w. I keep plants 4-5 inches from bulbs. I have fan blow bulbs and temp is stable but this is from too much lights. Today plants start to grow noticeable and leaves perks.

 

[MidwestToker]

Thanks for reply to all people drooping is from too close to cfl. I move feet away from plants and today leaves recover. One Cfl 200 w and second is 125w. I keep plants 4-5 inches from bulbs. I have fan blow bulbs and temp is stable but this is from too much lights. Today plants start to grow noticeable and leaves perks.

Try giving them a rest period of at least 4 hours of darkness.

 

[maimunji]

I want but its too cold in my room. 73 f max with light on. If I turn light off I can't heating my room. But soon I will put 600 w mh above them and then 18/6.

 

[Wisher619]

@MidwestToker
how did you run a harvest @ .67ec??
Please explain
also I really dont have a problem with ec or growing......
I have been growing since the early 90's I have been growing plants in general since the early to mid 80's.....I am alway down to learn new things.....but until I see someone run @.67ec through to harvest I just cant believe it......
My plants dont dry and my ec is always about 200ppm less then input at .5 scale for drain to waste
feed goes in at 5.8ph
comes out at 6.5ph
because my coco is 6.5 and even if you run 100 gallons of 5.8 through until 5.8 runoff is reached....within 24hours your ph will be back to 6.5.....thats how coco works......that is why in the tomato industry when running DTW coco they only check ec and they keep a constant drip feed
in flower ec 2.4 ph6.0
they do what is called salt doseing....where by they have a seperate tank for each element and dose the feed tank accordingly.....constantly metered....they also do that for recirc systems as well
monitoring what elements are being taken in faster to up the dose at a higher rate

 

[MidwestToker]

No 1.0 ec =500 ppm on my scale. That's what they were fed at 500 ppm and at 550ppm they started showing nutrient burn. Never have I had my coir be a pH of 6.5. pH rise is from the plant exchange of hydrogen ions in the root zone, just another indication of not frequent enough feedings. So as you're comparison with hydroponic tomato growers @ a 2.4 ec what amount of hydrogen ions would be exchanged. And most tomatoes I've grown seem to be heavy feeders in the cal department which is best absorbed in the higher side of the hydroponic range.
If you're feeding at 1.5 and you're plants are eating around .1 then you're throwing nutes down the drain

 

[Wisher619]

do you use an ec meter or a ppm meter....as botanicare uses a .7 scale
ph to start is 6.5 in media
before plants or any nutes.....sorry....you cant change the ph of coco
and again you have it backwards
If I feed at 500 and the drain is 300 that means my plants are feeding
ph stays at 6.5 no matter what
when my plants leaves stay straight up praying with no taco up or down that is the sweet spot
I have never had droopy leaves not even with 24 hour in the dark
my leaves stay a vibrant green
I would just like to know again as you stated you ran CNS @ 7ml which equals .67 ec how you pulled that off.....my hydro hempy plants would all but die under fluoros.....I am still wondering and you still havnt answered....I really want to know as it would be awesome to grow with that little nutrients.....I do that in my soil grows for an extra little boost but not hydroponically