VillaToscanna777
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Hey ,
Nice To meet you every one , it start To .be some years im coming arround and finaly im becoming a part of the community.
First let introduce a bit m'y self, im swiss grower wich opened an organic cannabis farm in tuscany, so i forgive m'y self for all the english mistake that you could find here. I studied horticulture and landscaping during 5 years and growed indoor and outdoor for m'y self cannabis indica in small amount.
We found a 27 hectare farm in tuscany close To firenze and im now from 20 plants in m'y garden To 4000 outdoors plants and 150 mother plants.
We started the project last spring in m'y 2019 after both the farm. We ordered some clones to an italian company , some canatonic strain and fedora cross with High level CBD and no more 0,6% thc.
Once wé reçeived first part of the clones wé bough ( 1500 clones of différents strain from différents supplier, then différents mother plants and green houses ) , i notice some mites damage so i check with the mic, and it confirm me the pré diag, the clones get à start of mites infestation from the mother plants of the seller. To .be sure if from outside , i waited the second part of the déliver, the 2500 clones left , the Guys parked the truck on our farm, come Seat and drink à coffee with m'y partner , me i grabb the microscope , go check in thé truck the clones, and bim, was full of mites too. So i show the seller, hé was all red and sayed that in italy all the cannabis farmer got mites and me i want .be organic so its m'y fault if hé did not treat them with any chimical....
We succesfully reduce the final price and hé sended me a bottle of " siltac ec " wich is revolutionary hé sayed. Its a mix of natural product and émulsifiant wich kill à lot if hâve To say. We did like 3 treatement , 2 before plants in thé fields, 1 after the plants was inside the field . We also put lot of mites prédator in thé green house before put the plants if the field , and also ôther product as " propolis - néem oil - ortica macération " . Then the season go well anyway, we planted the plants in the field in the last week of june and we saw less and less mites damage, as if the mites hâve been eaten in thé field by natural prédator or naturaly dies, wé harvest arround 200kg of dry flower with a 14% cbd level and really Nice indoor aspect, we did not realise how many work and how technique is to harvest indusitrial quantity of weed,we improvied lot of DIY dry room and sleep few during some month for the harvest. we probably harvest 60% of what the total we get in the field, the rest we let unfortunatly let it die in the field and use it to switch on our fire ( the farm is totaly warmed by wood, the water and the air, we just need wood and solar panel ), so its a nice weed smell for each fire, better than nothing.
In parallèle, from those plants, when they was stretching in thé field in august, i cutted some clones to create some mother plants and keep the génétique wé bought . Arround 400 clones to keep 20 mother of each strain. I keep 150 best clones and make mother from them, they growth all the winter inside a DIY indoor and i never get rid off from the mites inside this indoor room. Then this season, those mites survivor start To make invasion every where, on all our clones, all our seedling, éven on some vegetables, éven if i put in quarantaine the new seedling , ils start To become worst than a virus this season compare to the last one, as if the mites are more strong this year . So i Guess they are and they got more population. Its now exactly 1 year wé hâve them, some time in few population, some ôther in big inflation with the webs , but they never disapeared all. In this war, wé lost maybe 6 plants, if i put one in crash test, with out treatement, she dead in like 2 or 3 week.
i Will say all the product i used , but let take in considération that i try all the natural treatment and prédator control before use with lot of pain some chimical product. its close to be a year im fighting with them and try some natural solution, but I hâve some objectif to réspond and i cant let some mites kill our work. If it was private garden, trust me that i would préféré cutt all and restart, its what wé gonna do this autumn and lost our génétique, stop everything for 1 month .
last season :
- siltac ec 3 times : limit the problème
- propolis and ortica : help the plants to remain
this winter :
- pyrethrin : few efficient
-néem oil : few efficient
-garlic macération: few efficient
- essential oil mix ( clove / thymo / rosemary / lemon / eucalyptus / geranio / canelle ) : dont really do anything with the mix i tryed ( 100 ml oil essential mix for 10 liter of water . )
- mites predator : 3 order of différent prédator as Andersoni, ambilius, swirski , persimili
- apollo sc ( clofentenzil ) : 1 times , with the concentration for thé tomatoes it Write on the bottle , it more or less burned all the leafs , i did the traitement when the light was off. So i trimm all and let just few léaf buds and they restarted Well. I though the mites was gone too, but after few, they came again .
- suflure mineral insecticide from the garden Center ( 80% of sulfure ) . It kill all the adult , but make the léaf with residute and im scary they burn with the Sun the morning after , or if i use an ôther product on it.
- sulfure burner ( with yellow micronised sulfure ) : i read a lot of good about if , but in m'y grow, it not really look to .be efficient . I burned 1 time per week / 6h per burn . 3 burner for a 150m2 green house.
- abamectin ( from vertimec sygenta ). I read lot of good review too about it , but the mites wé hâve are totaly immunisé from this molécule, from the 1 spray , they laugh about it and look éven for active after ( i can Guess the Guy who sold me the clones already used it ? )
- no pest trip hot shot : do absolutly nothing and look to .be so dangerous for human. We tryed inside the indoor room , 2 strip for 40 m2 , fan off and extractor off , for 5 days , the mites are still super active. Éven inside a small grow room of 2 square métér, 2 pest strip, 1 week, fan low, no result.
- bayer borneo ( etoxazole ) : the same molécule of Beethoven bomb wich are not légal here in italy , im ttrying it sincè 2 days
- im waiting m'y big hope " trifecta crop control " from your country guys ! ! It hâve been a mess to import it but it close To arrive to the farm , maybe this afternoon or monday. Ils insane, i can order no pest trip with à cancerous molécule with out any check or problème from usa , but an essential oil mix , alcool and acide citrique , look like you import nuclear matérial ( lot of procédure and border check )
Im also séarching To order some " gran évo and PFR 97 , wich i Feel, they are the true natural way To fuck thos parasit. I saw a vidéo really intesting from gorge cervantes, hé speak about all those bio pesticide wich work with bactéria and funghi To kill the mites . But as insane it is, they are all unfoundable in Europe and the seller can export it . So im séarching those funghi and bactéria inside and italian or Europe product but im not sure there is.
About the analyse , im doing it with a school microscope binocular x20 and i can say you with certitude that wé hâve spider mites ( tetranychus ) and russet mites ( aculops ) and ils can even .be wé hâve broad mites with it hahaha. i will order a x60 binocular microscope as soon as i can.
Anyway its the life and ils good To learn how To deal with every problème, what i learn the most on this expérience, its the importance to put in quarantaine the clones you buy and insepect them Well. I every time read " the best with mites , is To dont hâve it , if you hâve it , cut all and restart " , after years and years of private cannabis crop, i never cross them and never really get the sense of the alarmist sentence, but fuck yeahhh how is true, the best with the mites is To dont hâve it ...
Im impatient to deal as i can this season and do a big break in thé autumn To désinfect all and restart in thé winter. we planned to plant all the plants from seeds this week from monday to friday. i wish we gonna be able to harvest few smokable bud. Then im doing arround 600 new clones to plant them on the first week of july.
Im sure i Forget To say you tons of thing, and i keep connect To reply To you To anything you néed, i come here mostly To share my war with those pest and also To hâve you opinion about it .
I would like also say m'y personnal opinion about those issues , i read a lot of enthousiasme about some chimical product as abamectin or dichlorvos , lot of grower from cannabis forum, french or english, push me to buy those poissonous , and honnêstly is not as simple as some people let believe, there is tons of différent situation, mites and the past they hâve.
For m'y situation, to put some chimical beat à bit m'y conscious , fuck à bit m'y environnement and auxiliaire arround, and dont éven solve m'y problème. So personnaly im more interest and convince about bio pesticide and bio control , than harmfull chimical traitement wich dont éven work. But i répèat this is a personnal opinion from à personnal expérience. Maybe i did wrong with the chimical product or maybe the mites we hâve art really resistante. But trust me , to put the phytosanitary combinaison pf4 , the gaz mask, and the gloves are not agréable in more To spread poisonous in thé air . Compare to some bio treatement as essential oil mix wich small good , are not harmfull and can attract the life in your garden.
Sorry again for this child english , and thanks for thé few wich art still here. I put some picture of the farm, the crop, and the problème.
Probleme, leaf symptome i noticed : - grow slow or even stop to grow / - look like Azote or potassium defiency / The plants go up, she make dead her bottom and go green only to the top, make like she have not enough light / White point on the leaf / top of the plants atrophy or damaged / No evolution with the treatment /
Pest i saw with the mic : Aculops et Tethranychus.
Soil i use : Monkey soil Outdoor bio.
Product i use : Rhyzotonic from canna / Mychorise and bacteria from biotabs / Orgatrex from bio tab / Bio grow - Bio Bloom / Compost tea / nettle maceration / Ancient earth Advanced nutrients / Black diamond GHE / Silice boost Atami .
look like nitrogen deficiency , but trust me they got all what they need. I use rhyzotonic from Canna / Orgatrex from Biotabs / Silice boost from Atami / ancient earth from advanced nutrients / humic acide from GHE + mychorise from Biotabs.
leaf crumpled and atrophy .
same symptome every wjere. the grey you can see is sulfur residual.
look like mosaic virus
Same damage on Cocomber.
Project pictures / situation :
Farm / bio dynamie Oliver and cannabis sativa .
The agro turismo we are developping. we would like developp hemp agriculture tourism and course. Its an old stone house from year 1230.
End flowering , end september 2019
Lemon Diesel CBD pheno.
Some plants we used as companions plants, they can be use for ameliorate the soil, repel or attract some insect, and enrich our eco systeme.
DIY mother room before
DIY mother plants room after
Nice To meet you every one , it start To .be some years im coming arround and finaly im becoming a part of the community.
First let introduce a bit m'y self, im swiss grower wich opened an organic cannabis farm in tuscany, so i forgive m'y self for all the english mistake that you could find here. I studied horticulture and landscaping during 5 years and growed indoor and outdoor for m'y self cannabis indica in small amount.
We found a 27 hectare farm in tuscany close To firenze and im now from 20 plants in m'y garden To 4000 outdoors plants and 150 mother plants.
We started the project last spring in m'y 2019 after both the farm. We ordered some clones to an italian company , some canatonic strain and fedora cross with High level CBD and no more 0,6% thc.
Once wé reçeived first part of the clones wé bough ( 1500 clones of différents strain from différents supplier, then différents mother plants and green houses ) , i notice some mites damage so i check with the mic, and it confirm me the pré diag, the clones get à start of mites infestation from the mother plants of the seller. To .be sure if from outside , i waited the second part of the déliver, the 2500 clones left , the Guys parked the truck on our farm, come Seat and drink à coffee with m'y partner , me i grabb the microscope , go check in thé truck the clones, and bim, was full of mites too. So i show the seller, hé was all red and sayed that in italy all the cannabis farmer got mites and me i want .be organic so its m'y fault if hé did not treat them with any chimical....
We succesfully reduce the final price and hé sended me a bottle of " siltac ec " wich is revolutionary hé sayed. Its a mix of natural product and émulsifiant wich kill à lot if hâve To say. We did like 3 treatement , 2 before plants in thé fields, 1 after the plants was inside the field . We also put lot of mites prédator in thé green house before put the plants if the field , and also ôther product as " propolis - néem oil - ortica macération " . Then the season go well anyway, we planted the plants in the field in the last week of june and we saw less and less mites damage, as if the mites hâve been eaten in thé field by natural prédator or naturaly dies, wé harvest arround 200kg of dry flower with a 14% cbd level and really Nice indoor aspect, we did not realise how many work and how technique is to harvest indusitrial quantity of weed,we improvied lot of DIY dry room and sleep few during some month for the harvest. we probably harvest 60% of what the total we get in the field, the rest we let unfortunatly let it die in the field and use it to switch on our fire ( the farm is totaly warmed by wood, the water and the air, we just need wood and solar panel ), so its a nice weed smell for each fire, better than nothing.
In parallèle, from those plants, when they was stretching in thé field in august, i cutted some clones to create some mother plants and keep the génétique wé bought . Arround 400 clones to keep 20 mother of each strain. I keep 150 best clones and make mother from them, they growth all the winter inside a DIY indoor and i never get rid off from the mites inside this indoor room. Then this season, those mites survivor start To make invasion every where, on all our clones, all our seedling, éven on some vegetables, éven if i put in quarantaine the new seedling , ils start To become worst than a virus this season compare to the last one, as if the mites are more strong this year . So i Guess they are and they got more population. Its now exactly 1 year wé hâve them, some time in few population, some ôther in big inflation with the webs , but they never disapeared all. In this war, wé lost maybe 6 plants, if i put one in crash test, with out treatement, she dead in like 2 or 3 week.
i Will say all the product i used , but let take in considération that i try all the natural treatment and prédator control before use with lot of pain some chimical product. its close to be a year im fighting with them and try some natural solution, but I hâve some objectif to réspond and i cant let some mites kill our work. If it was private garden, trust me that i would préféré cutt all and restart, its what wé gonna do this autumn and lost our génétique, stop everything for 1 month .
last season :
- siltac ec 3 times : limit the problème
- propolis and ortica : help the plants to remain
this winter :
- pyrethrin : few efficient
-néem oil : few efficient
-garlic macération: few efficient
- essential oil mix ( clove / thymo / rosemary / lemon / eucalyptus / geranio / canelle ) : dont really do anything with the mix i tryed ( 100 ml oil essential mix for 10 liter of water . )
- mites predator : 3 order of différent prédator as Andersoni, ambilius, swirski , persimili
- apollo sc ( clofentenzil ) : 1 times , with the concentration for thé tomatoes it Write on the bottle , it more or less burned all the leafs , i did the traitement when the light was off. So i trimm all and let just few léaf buds and they restarted Well. I though the mites was gone too, but after few, they came again .
- suflure mineral insecticide from the garden Center ( 80% of sulfure ) . It kill all the adult , but make the léaf with residute and im scary they burn with the Sun the morning after , or if i use an ôther product on it.
- sulfure burner ( with yellow micronised sulfure ) : i read a lot of good about if , but in m'y grow, it not really look to .be efficient . I burned 1 time per week / 6h per burn . 3 burner for a 150m2 green house.
- abamectin ( from vertimec sygenta ). I read lot of good review too about it , but the mites wé hâve are totaly immunisé from this molécule, from the 1 spray , they laugh about it and look éven for active after ( i can Guess the Guy who sold me the clones already used it ? )
- no pest trip hot shot : do absolutly nothing and look to .be so dangerous for human. We tryed inside the indoor room , 2 strip for 40 m2 , fan off and extractor off , for 5 days , the mites are still super active. Éven inside a small grow room of 2 square métér, 2 pest strip, 1 week, fan low, no result.
- bayer borneo ( etoxazole ) : the same molécule of Beethoven bomb wich are not légal here in italy , im ttrying it sincè 2 days
- im waiting m'y big hope " trifecta crop control " from your country guys ! ! It hâve been a mess to import it but it close To arrive to the farm , maybe this afternoon or monday. Ils insane, i can order no pest trip with à cancerous molécule with out any check or problème from usa , but an essential oil mix , alcool and acide citrique , look like you import nuclear matérial ( lot of procédure and border check )
Im also séarching To order some " gran évo and PFR 97 , wich i Feel, they are the true natural way To fuck thos parasit. I saw a vidéo really intesting from gorge cervantes, hé speak about all those bio pesticide wich work with bactéria and funghi To kill the mites . But as insane it is, they are all unfoundable in Europe and the seller can export it . So im séarching those funghi and bactéria inside and italian or Europe product but im not sure there is.
About the analyse , im doing it with a school microscope binocular x20 and i can say you with certitude that wé hâve spider mites ( tetranychus ) and russet mites ( aculops ) and ils can even .be wé hâve broad mites with it hahaha. i will order a x60 binocular microscope as soon as i can.
Anyway its the life and ils good To learn how To deal with every problème, what i learn the most on this expérience, its the importance to put in quarantaine the clones you buy and insepect them Well. I every time read " the best with mites , is To dont hâve it , if you hâve it , cut all and restart " , after years and years of private cannabis crop, i never cross them and never really get the sense of the alarmist sentence, but fuck yeahhh how is true, the best with the mites is To dont hâve it ...
Im impatient to deal as i can this season and do a big break in thé autumn To désinfect all and restart in thé winter. we planned to plant all the plants from seeds this week from monday to friday. i wish we gonna be able to harvest few smokable bud. Then im doing arround 600 new clones to plant them on the first week of july.
Im sure i Forget To say you tons of thing, and i keep connect To reply To you To anything you néed, i come here mostly To share my war with those pest and also To hâve you opinion about it .
I would like also say m'y personnal opinion about those issues , i read a lot of enthousiasme about some chimical product as abamectin or dichlorvos , lot of grower from cannabis forum, french or english, push me to buy those poissonous , and honnêstly is not as simple as some people let believe, there is tons of différent situation, mites and the past they hâve.
For m'y situation, to put some chimical beat à bit m'y conscious , fuck à bit m'y environnement and auxiliaire arround, and dont éven solve m'y problème. So personnaly im more interest and convince about bio pesticide and bio control , than harmfull chimical traitement wich dont éven work. But i répèat this is a personnal opinion from à personnal expérience. Maybe i did wrong with the chimical product or maybe the mites we hâve art really resistante. But trust me , to put the phytosanitary combinaison pf4 , the gaz mask, and the gloves are not agréable in more To spread poisonous in thé air . Compare to some bio treatement as essential oil mix wich small good , are not harmfull and can attract the life in your garden.
Sorry again for this child english , and thanks for thé few wich art still here. I put some picture of the farm, the crop, and the problème.
Probleme, leaf symptome i noticed : - grow slow or even stop to grow / - look like Azote or potassium defiency / The plants go up, she make dead her bottom and go green only to the top, make like she have not enough light / White point on the leaf / top of the plants atrophy or damaged / No evolution with the treatment /
Pest i saw with the mic : Aculops et Tethranychus.
Soil i use : Monkey soil Outdoor bio.
Product i use : Rhyzotonic from canna / Mychorise and bacteria from biotabs / Orgatrex from bio tab / Bio grow - Bio Bloom / Compost tea / nettle maceration / Ancient earth Advanced nutrients / Black diamond GHE / Silice boost Atami .
look like nitrogen deficiency , but trust me they got all what they need. I use rhyzotonic from Canna / Orgatrex from Biotabs / Silice boost from Atami / ancient earth from advanced nutrients / humic acide from GHE + mychorise from Biotabs.
leaf crumpled and atrophy .
same symptome every wjere. the grey you can see is sulfur residual.
look like mosaic virus
Same damage on Cocomber.
Project pictures / situation :
Farm / bio dynamie Oliver and cannabis sativa .
The agro turismo we are developping. we would like developp hemp agriculture tourism and course. Its an old stone house from year 1230.
End flowering , end september 2019
Lemon Diesel CBD pheno.
Some plants we used as companions plants, they can be use for ameliorate the soil, repel or attract some insect, and enrich our eco systeme.
DIY mother room before
DIY mother plants room after
