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[SacredTreeOrganicFarms]

Theres another issue..distilled water will pull nutes from plant and mix...thats huge! Use some city water mixed in to a ppm of 80 to 120. You need a buffer/alkalinity in your water or your soil ph will drop..

Just bubble the chlorine out of it...if your city uses chloramine citric acid helps eliminate it.

@Aqua Man @Flexnerb really? Is distilled bad to use? That’s all I’ve ever used because of the cleanliness?

 

[SacredTreeOrganicFarms]

Think of distilled water as pulling cations from the soil..

Seriously??? Is it that bad? I was gonna get the stealth boy ro system

 

[Flexnerb]

@Aqua Man @Flexnerb really? Is distilled bad to use? That’s all I’ve ever used because of the cleanliness?

What are your ppms from the faucet?

 

[SacredTreeOrganicFarms]

Ok 2 immediate issues.

Do not spray plant with the lights on you will cook them.

Do not feed RO water... there is so much going on here ita gonna be a mess to fix.


Improper ratios, ph, all these additions make for a nightmare.

No idea if the microbes are even ok. It kinda seems like way over fed then lockout IMO. I'm not an organic grower. Maybe flex can get ya sorted he is on the ball here. Kinda thinking way to much K and distilled water is both lowering availability of Ca and others previously and now its a ratio issue with a big imbalance.

If it were me at this point I would flush the shot out of it with enzymes and some cal mag. Then go with synthetic light feed since it will really put a dent in the microbes followed by a very light terp tea next feed. I dont think I would add molasses as terp tea has all thats needed with the exception of cal mag.

Again take this info with a grain of salt im not an organic grower and flex is prob a better resource on this.

How would it be locked out tho? It’s only had water at 6.0 it’s entire life and only Monday got it’s first feed? I had to flush it once before as well and put 5 gallons through each 10 gallon pot. I’m certain it can’t be lockout there’s no nute burn anywhere. The buds are beautiful and if anything I think I could slam it harder next round with the booster no? I could cut the molasses but doesn’t it feed the microbes that are dying off due to no topped nutrients? It literally has been growing since August and only has got water since Monday no joke.

 

[SacredTreeOrganicFarms]

If you live in a legal state you can call sohum and ask ?'s too....they claim just water needed. Your 2.5 months in already and looking at a total of 3.5 months right?

Im almost a year into my soil and my ph is going up. Its sitting st 7.3 in almost every pot. I used sulfur on one plant and will be using ammonium sulfate on another. Ill keep ya posted

I should just ask the next pick up I do tbh. I’m so confused now.

 

[Aqua Man]

My weakness is chemistry. So i end fuckin up and fixing problems. My indoor exp is.....no comment!

Outdor garden exp is pretty decent.

For yrs I always had to go back and check things. When I mix something up once I get stuck on it forever and can't remember if it was the opposite of what I thought or the same. Most of it it stuck now but I still need to go back here and there. I used to mix my own nutes and that part of it I have forgotten so much with the interaction part so I often have to go back and look. Organics are a whole mother level and I end those with a good grasp on them. True farmers in my eyes.

 

[SacredTreeOrganicFarms]

OP have you checked for bugs....the one photo looks like spider mites

Which picture? And I’ve been in there pretty heavy and haven’t seen any pests. We’ve been spraying plant therapy up until this week. We did it with lights on which is that spotting

 

[SacredTreeOrganicFarms]

For yrs I always had to go back and check things. When I mix something up once I get stuck on it forever and can't remember if it was the opposite of what I thought or the same. Most of it it stuck now but I still need to go back here and there. I used to mix my own nutes and that part of it I have forgotten so much with the interaction part so I often have to go back and look. Organics are a whole mother level and I end those with a good grasp on them. True farmers in my eyes.

I can’t even begin to think of going any other way. Organics or nothing for my grow, at work we do coco but personally I don’t even smoke it. I need to figure it out tho, they claim all the way through harvest I don’t need to feed, but every plant I have through the soil being a to show these symptoms at week4/5. It had to be deficiencies since I haven’t fed anything and they’ve been growing since august

 

[Flexnerb]

I should just ask the next pick up I do tbh. I’m so confused now.

What are the ppms of your households water from the city

 

[Aqua Man]

How would it be locked out tho? It’s only had water at 6.0 it’s entire life and only Monday got it’s first feed? I had to flush it once before as well and put 5 gallons through each 10 gallon pot. I’m certain it can’t be lockout there’s no nute burn anywhere. The buds are beautiful and if anything I think I could slam it harder next round with the booster no? I could cut the molasses but doesn’t it feed the microbes that are dying off due to no topped nutrients? It literally has been growing since August and only has got water since Monday no joke.

Doesn't need to be nute burn... just messed up ratios will lock out certain nutrients. Its not just ph that needs to be considered the alkalinity of the soil also. Ph of nutrients going in does not mean the ph of the solution will be the same once added to the soil. Its a complex topic. Its possible the distilled water feeds can leach minerals if using distilled cal mag should always be added.

If I'm going to hazard a guess the alkalinity of the soil is now low, the foliar spray caused some burning and other issues. The molasses IMO should be added very sparingly to teas only not the soil and terp tea i wouldn't add any. If you had to flush before I think there may have been to much nutrients in the soil to begin with.

Its hard to say but I can say at one point they were very over fed. Ph of the water in the soil is likely and issue. The deficiencies your seeing can be from many things. But I doubt from lack of.

 

[Flexnerb]

How would it be locked out tho? It’s only had water at 6.0 it’s entire life and only Monday got it’s first feed? I had to flush it once before as well and put 5 gallons through each 10 gallon pot. I’m certain it can’t be lockout there’s no nute burn anywhere. The buds are beautiful and if anything I think I could slam it harder next round with the booster no? I could cut the molasses but doesn’t it feed the microbes that are dying off due to no topped nutrients? It literally has been growing since August and only has got water since Monday no joke.

If molases is used every watering 1 tbsp to gallon of water...thats to much imo....i usually added teaspoon to a gal...if your home methods are being brought back from work. I.e. if i do it atbwork im going to incorporate that at home too...big mistake....they probably regulate their variables better there than you can at home...keep that in mind

Edit, my teas were cut to by thevway. Id brew a gal cut it in half to a third....i used worm castings and compost...

 

[Flexnerb]

I can’t even begin to think of going any other way. Organics or nothing for my grow, at work we do coco but personally I don’t even smoke it. I need to figure it out tho, they claim all the way through harvest I don’t need to feed, but every plant I have through the soil being a to show these symptoms at week4/5. It had to be deficiencies since I haven’t fed anything and they’ve been growing since august

In a month or so hit me up...ill buy a bag of this sohum soil and tag along with you...no bullshit!

I got wedding cake atm. ...m?u m i !n aaa. G her out atm. We will just go from clone 3 4 weeks in veg and flower straight away...see if your methods or mine work better. Not aboit whos better than who..idc about pissing comps....i just want to help myself and you understand things better....when you want just hit me up yo

 

[Flexnerb]

I can’t even begin to think of going any other way. Organics or nothing for my grow, at work we do coco but personally I don’t even smoke it. I need to figure it out tho, they claim all the way through harvest I don’t need to feed, but every plant I have through the soil being a to show these symptoms at week4/5. It had to be deficiencies since I haven’t fed anything and they’ve been growing since august

Do a runoff test. Check your ppms and ph...now! Wouldnt wait

 

[SacredTreeOrganicFarms]

In a month or so hit me up...ill buy a bag of this sohum soil and tag along with you...no bullshit!

I got wedding cake atm. ...m?u m i !n aaa. G her out atm. We will just go from clone 3 4 weeks in veg and flower straight away...see if your methods or mine work better. Not aboit whos better than who..idc about pissing comps....i just want to help myself and you understand things better....when you want just hit me up yo

Works for me! That gives me time to get my mothers up hopefully lol

 

[SacredTreeOrganicFarms]

In a month or so hit me up...ill buy a bag of this sohum soil and tag along with you...no bullshit!

I got wedding cake atm. ...m?u m i !n aaa. G her out atm. We will just go from clone 3 4 weeks in veg and flower straight away...see if your methods or mine work better. Not aboit whos better than who..idc about pissing comps....i just want to help myself and you understand things better....when you want just hit me up yo

What do you normally use?

 

[SacredTreeOrganicFarms]

Doesn't need to be nute burn... just messed up ratios will lock out certain nutrients. Its not just ph that needs to be considered the alkalinity of the soil also. Ph of nutrients going in does not mean the ph of the solution will be the same once added to the soil. Its a complex topic. Its possible the distilled water feeds can leach minerals if using distilled cal mag should always be added.

If I'm going to hazard a guess the alkalinity of the soil is now low, the foliar spray caused some burning and other issues. The molasses IMO should be added very sparingly to teas only not the soil and terp tea i wouldn't add any. If you had to flush before I think there may have been to much nutrients in the soil to begin with.

Its hard to say but I can say at one point they were very over fed. Ph of the water in the soil is likely and issue. The deficiencies your seeing can be from many things. But I doubt from lack of.

Gotcha, well that’s ridiculous then. If it’s showing lock out it must be bc of my ph in soil being at 6.0. I heard 6.4 soil is perfect? There’s no way the soil didn’t need a little conditioning bc of how old they are. I could be over watering for sure. The bags are always heavy, I rarely let them dry out

 

[Moshmen]

I have no real info to add - just my opinion on your water - I spent $ for distilled/spring/RO thought about buying a system and everything. Now after listening to all these great growers I use tap water - I have less issues and save both on water and on calmag so tap water was a win win for me

 

[Flexnerb]

I have no real info to add - just my opinion on your water - I spent $ for distilled/spring/RO thought about buying a system and everything. Now after listening to all these great growers I use tap water - I have less issues and save both on water and on calmag so tap water was a win win for me

Depends where you are at. Some water like mine is 460+ ppm. Yuck! I wouldn't think of giving it to something im going to smoke. Ro cut with tap water or country water is fine imo. Straight 460 fuck no. You onky got so much more room for nutes. I dont like a ppm input higher than 800.

 

[SacredTreeOrganicFarms]

I have no real info to add - just my opinion on your water - I spent $ for distilled/spring/RO thought about buying a system and everything. Now after listening to all these great growers I use tap water - I have less issues and save both on water and on calmag so tap water was a win win for me

How do you do a purification then? We use RO tall boys at my job and they work flawless. They come out at 150 ppm usually

 

[SacredTreeOrganicFarms]

Doesn't need to be nute burn... just messed up ratios will lock out certain nutrients. Its not just ph that needs to be considered the alkalinity of the soil also. Ph of nutrients going in does not mean the ph of the solution will be the same once added to the soil. Its a complex topic. Its possible the distilled water feeds can leach minerals if using distilled cal mag should always be added.

If I'm going to hazard a guess the alkalinity of the soil is now low, the foliar spray caused some burning and other issues. The molasses IMO should be added very sparingly to teas only not the soil and terp tea i wouldn't add any. If you had to flush before I think there may have been to much nutrients in the soil to begin with.

Its hard to say but I can say at one point they were very over fed. Ph of the water in the soil is likely and issue. The deficiencies your seeing can be from many things. But I doubt from lack of.

That’s what I thinks happening, I use only Distilled at 6.0 for months on them and I heard 6.4 ph is ideal for soil for the slower break down. The distilled has to be leaching CalMag because of the lack of in the water for so long... therefore leading to these lock outs from a lack of mag which helps the uptake and transport of nutrients. I think it’s getting narrowed down, but definitely a deficiency in my eyes. It just makes more sense for it to be deficient in CalMag and then without Mag I’m losing a transport nutrients