Are PGR's all that bad?...

[Flowerpower420]

Hi folks, as title suggests what are your thoughts on PGR weed and is it really as bad as we believe it is?

Doing a lil research (In Europe) PGR's are used widely in horticultural practices for farmers crops and in fruit and vegetables grown commercially. Most pesticides and chemicals applied to crops have been sprayed with god knows what to produce a pest resistant and larger heavier fruits. Obviously once chopped they fly onto the shelves of Asda, Lidl, Aldi etc etc and we pick them up, Pay for it and eat it!! Yet we dont bat an eyelid to these frowned-upon practices and chemicals as its totally legal and is a common practice.

Now to cannabis...
If i could eat an apple or orange from the supermarket thats been force-grown and fed unnatural chemicals I.E PGR's then is PGR weed that dangerous?

I know ALOT of people that smoke weed and 90% of them also drink alcohol, smoke cigarettes, eat takeaways, Drink caffeine, breathe car exhaust fumes in the air etc etc.

It may just be me, But i dont think PGR's seem as catastrophic as its made out to be in the grand scheme of things in life. Everything we do causes cancer and harms us in one way or another. IMOH aslong as the grower uses PGR's in low to moderate doses i personally dont see the issue.....

Whats everyone else's thoughts on this topic? Are they good? Bad or part of life?

Let me know your thoughts folks

Peace out

 

[Ponky]

You eat and digest vegetables. You smoke and inhale weed. The 2 concepts though similar don't bare relevance to each other. It's the act of burning the product and the way it effects quality thats the issue.

 

[Flowerpower420]

You eat and digest vegetables. You smoke and inhale weed. The 2 concepts though similar don't bare relevance to each other. It's the act of burning the product and the way it effects quality thats the issue.

Yeah suppose but would that same concept be true for burning coal/wood fossil fuels?
Take welding industry for example, Molten steel and additives in the welding rods, wire etc is hazardous to health once its burned and turned into fumes. Just like car exhaust fumes or a neighbour having a bonfire, Once its burned its chemical profile changes and can either become safer or more dangerous to be around.

Cigarettes are WELL known to have over 4000 chemicals that have been proven to cause serious health implications and death such as arsenic, cyanide, mercury, carbon monoxide to name a few yet millions of people still smoke and these companies are legally allowed to pump these items full of dangerous chemicals aslong as the governments are gaining taxes from it.

Same as horticultural industry...its all about making TOP DOLLAR regardless of public health....i think these PGR type chemicals are around us more than we like to think.

 

[Moe.Red]

I've never really dived into this subject, so following along to learn.

What I know is {PGR = bad} is stated many times by people I trust, I just don't know the chemistry behind it to say personally.

 

[Flowerpower420]

I've never really dived into this subject, so following along to learn.

What I know is {PGR = bad} is stated many times by people I trust, I just don't know the chemistry behind it to say personally.

Yeah same mate! All i hear is that is a definite no no within the cannabis community but widely acccepted in other parts of life. Seems a little contradictory to me BUT im no expert by any means, thats why i want to know other people's views and opinions on the matter

 

[Ponky]

Yeah suppose but would that same concept be true for burning coal/wood fossil fuels?
Take welding industry for example, Molten steel and additives in the welding rods, wire etc is hazardous to health once its burned and turned into fumes. Just like car exhaust fumes or a neighbour having a bonfire, Once its burned its chemical profile changes and can either become safer or more dangerous to be around.

Cigarettes are WELL known to have over 4000 chemicals that have been proven to cause serious health implications and death such as arsenic, cyanide, mercury, carbon monoxide to name a few yet millions of people still smoke and these companies are legally allowed to pump these items full of dangerous chemicals aslong as the governments are gaining taxes from it.

Same as horticultural industry...its all about making TOP DOLLAR regardless of public health....i think these PGR type chemicals are around us more than we like to think.

Arc air cutting is bad. But I think the worst of that is the ozone and and the acid from the rod jacket. I suggest a back mounted filter pack. Or upgrade to supplied air. Welding is cool. But it kills you pretty fast. Like painting. Those guys always clock out before they're retired. Sad. :( man... now I'm bummed out again. Better smoke some kush.

 

[HighRootz]

I look at it this way... Would you rather lift weights and use good nutrition/special diet(organic or synthetic nutes) or would you risk the size of your testicles by adding steroids(synthetic PGR) to your diet? I would like to think some of the big name commercial food growers use fertilizers containing PGR cuz I've had a giant melon, apple, lettuce, etc that tasted like shit. It was all size no flavor. I think PGR would be better suited for non-consumed foods/flowers like Rose's, Zinnia, slow growing trees, etc.

 

[Ponky]

nitrosamines are consumed in excess when you smoke PGR buds. That's I think the thing people worry about. Plus it's gross.

 

[Flowerpower420]

nitrosamines are consumed in excess when you smoke PGR buds. That's I think the thing people worry about. Plus it's gross.

Yeah "Ive heard" that is reduces potency and flavour which is the last thing you want. I dont know if this would this still happen even in low - moderate doses?...

I wonder if there could be a balancing act so you could use it to bump up gains (lets face it guys we always want more bud!) Whilst being cautious and careful of the nasty negatives and keeping the danger to a minimum but increasing production.

 

[Flowerpower420]

I look at it this way... Would you rather lift weights and use good nutrition/special diet(organic or synthetic nutes) or would you risk the size of your testicles by adding steroids(synthetic PGR) to your diet? I would like to think some of the big name commercial food growers use fertilizers containing PGR cuz I've had a giant melon, apple, lettuce, etc that tasted like shit. It was all size no flavor. I think PGR would be better suited for non-consumed foods/flowers like Rose's, Zinnia, slow growing trees, etc.

Yeah definitely mate! Its been a good few years since ive been to the supermarket and thoroughly enjoyed a big juicy and flavoursome fruit! They all look the part, packaged well but absolutely no taste! In reality its all about maximum production at low as possible costs to boost revenue. Like everything in life these days but its definitely not a good sign that everything we eat (mostly) is packed full of artificial crap thats bad for us! Even a harmless lettuce or cucumber...but for some people to be super picky of weed to then open a bottle of bud and light up a cigarette lol

 

[Ponky]

Yeah "Ive heard" that is reduces potency and flavour which is the last thing you want. I dont know if this would this still happen even in low - moderate doses?...

Let's put it this way. If you're cooking lobster tails and some filet mignon are you going to want truffle butter or some I can't believe it's not butter edible spread?
There is no magic bullet. If you want more gotta plug in another light. PGRs are not the way. DWC and TLC can be.

 

[indogrow420]

Pgrs? I read a bit about it that it was bad and causes cancer n what not, synthetic or organic kelp? I can't care for what it does. Im more fascinated by what Silica can do

 

[Flowerpower420]

Pgrs? I read a bit about it that it was bad and causes cancer n what not, synthetic or organic kelp? I can't care for what it does. Im more fascinated by what Silica can do

100%

 

[HighRootz]

I wonder if there could be a balancing act so you could use it to bump up gains (lets face it guys we always want more bud!) Whilst being cautious and careful of the nasty negatives and keeping the danger to a minimum but increasing production.

More lights, space, topping/plant training, longer veg time will increase yield where the only side effect is monetary and not health wise

 

[HighRootz]

Pgrs? I read a bit about it that it was bad and causes cancer n what not, synthetic or organic kelp? I can't care for what it does. Im more fascinated by what Silica can do

I agree, I've bitten by the Silica bug and have added it this year to my outdoor garden and let's just say my cannabis, tomatoes and melons are looking way better than last year's crop at this time. So far, I'm loving Power SI

 

[Flowerpower420]

More lights, space, topping/plant training, longer veg time will increase yield where the only side effect is monetary and not health wise

Well my last crop i yeilded 12oz from 4 plants, in 11l finishing pots, 70/30 coco, in a 5x5 tent, vegged and flowered under a gavita 1700E, using full Mills nutrients range, 6 week veg, topped 3x, LST, defoliation, and lollipoped. And i was running Mimosa Evo x Orange punch which had a "Maximum" yeild of 750g per m2.

So by rites i should have yeilded atleast 30oz as Barneys claim of maximum 53oz in that size tent. Especially under tha gavita. I should have nailed it.

And i got nowhere near. Plants seemed healthy, no pests but did have issues with EC being high!

Then we have the pheno and geneno types which we wont go into as thats a full topic on its own lol.

Im just looking for ways to increase yield a touch more than im getting. But aswell to start a discussion on PGR's in general and see if anyone uses them or not

 

[Anthem]

Well my last crop i yeilded 12oz from 4 plants, in 11l finishing pots, 70/30 coco, in a 5x5 tent, vegged and flowered under a gavita 1700E, using full Mills nutrients range, 6 week veg, topped 3x, LST, defoliation, and lollipoped. And i was running Mimosa Evo x Orange punch which had a "Maximum" yeild of 750g per m2.

So by rites i should have yeilded atleast 30oz as Barneys claim of maximum 53oz in that size tent. Especially under tha gavita. I should have nailed it.

And i got nowhere near. Plants seemed healthy, no pests but did have issues with EC being high!

Then we have the pheno and geneno types which we wont go into as thats a full topic on its own lol.

Im just looking for ways to increase yield a touch more than im getting. But aswell to start a discussion on PGR's in general and see if anyone uses them or not

First of all,
There are good PGR's and Bad PGR's. Good is tria, bad is Paco. Paco is short for the full name and that is one of the bad ones. It is listed as not to be used on plants that are to be eaten. But basically yes you can increase yield with PGR's but there are trade offs. From what I have seen Tria can increase yield but it will decrease essential oils in the plant as well. Other Organic PGR's include Kelp.
If you are not seeing the yield you are expecting from your grow there is much more to yield than genetics but they play a very large roll in determining the over all yield of the plant. If you want to start to gain some education on this site there is a search tool at the upper left corner of the page. You can use it to look up other threads that contain the PGR in the title to assist in learning about this topic.
Part of the problem with yield is growing from seed, most of the people I deal with are looking for tested and proven strains. Take for example Gelato #33, pretty obvious that was the #33 plant of the pheno hunt. The odds of getting elite genetics out of popping 4 plants is very low. Thus the reason many go for proven cuts of plants.
You also need to take into account the environment of your grow.

 

[Flowerpower420]

First of all,
There are good PGR's and Bad PGR's. Good is tria, bad is Paco. Paco is short for the full name and that is one of the bad ones. It is listed as not to be used on plants that are to be eaten. But basically yes you can increase yield with PGR's but there are trade offs. From what I have seen Tria can increase yield but it will decrease essential oils in the plant as well. Other Organic PGR's include Kelp.
If you are not seeing the yield you are expecting from your grow there is much more to yield than genetics but they play a very large roll in determining the over all yield of the plant. If you want to start to gain some education on this site there is a search tool at the upper left corner of the page. You can use it to look up other threads that contain the PGR in the title to assist in learning about this topic.
Part of the problem with yield is growing from seed, most of the people I deal with are looking for tested and proven strains. Take for example Gelato #33, pretty obvious that was the #33 plant of the pheno hunt. The odds of getting elite genetics out of popping 4 plants is very low. Thus the reason many go for proven cuts of plants.
You also need to take into account the environment of your grow.

Yup i totally 100% agree mate. I honestly didn't know that the number reference was the the numerical lineage of the pheno! Top info bud cheers! I will keep this in mind for future reference

Yeah tbh tried everything i possibly could to maximise yeild and efficiency. Temps and RH where spot on for the whole grow and only problem i had was EC being high and runoff PH lower than preferred but folk say its not worth chasing in coco/perlite anyway.

Maybe phenos and genetics play more of a role than the equipment then. As ive invested unreal amounts of money in the setup when in reality its probably the cheapest part of the puzzle that matters most!

Awesome info mate very much appreciated

 

[Moe.Red]

If you wanna post up some pics and talk about your grow we might be able to help you with yields. What are you getting grams per watt for example?

 

[Flowerpower420]

If you wanna post up some pics and talk about your grow we might be able to help you with yields. What are you getting grams per watt for example?

Yeah Awesome

I will spend a bit of time maybe tomorrow and upload pics and pack as much info in as i can about my grow.

I think it worked out something like 0.45g per watt or something very close to that. I will do some calculations tomorrow and give a solid figure.

Cheers guys