The Pollen Chuckers Club! Homemade Crosses only...

kinger · Apr 27, 2012

Pre 98 Bubba Kush x Chemdawg4xSunsour6-sunsourbubs
Romulan x Chemdawg4xSunsour6-romchem
GodBud x PineSol-piney trees

glockdoc · Apr 27, 2012

i like the 1st 2 because of the chem and sour cross. good shit! wish i could try romulan read good ish about it.

crom · Apr 27, 2012

Maybe combine the two BB strains and find the best phenos, male and female. OR Combine (Dhaze x SWD) x BS.

The main thing is selection and having the original parents around in case you you mess up you can back track. You need to find what traits are dominant in your preliminary test crosses so you know what each plant offers. If you have the perfect cross with two plants then add the third if it's dominant it will mask traits you were trying to lock down. The project you are embarking on may take you 8 years to complete! Plus you will never be satisfied if/when you find your special pheno that is closest to BD. By the time you lock down the traits that are needed to be present to replicate a strain you might want to go a different route with the final pheno. Stay true and have people help, also take proper notes on all things trait related. Start documenting and making a final product plan using reverse planning. Start with what you want to accomplish and do some possible scenarios with the genetics, percentage wise per plant offered, and see if it ends up being a blueberry x haze. Why not get Dj's Blueberry and some crazy landrace hazes and start there? You might end up going in a crazy direction trying to incorporate three multi-hybrids to attempt a replica.

What about the Blue Dream are you looking to change and why?
Why not get Blue Dream and outcross it to something that will fix it's problematic issues?
Do you enjoy BD enough to do years of selections to find it?

Another hard thing to consider is the size of the selection pool you are using. The big boys have plots in different countries that are like corn fields! Selection that found SSH, and Jack were way larger then we can work with here in the states, unless...

Ultimately is all this worth the final product is what I ask myself before I embark on a project. Will the final pheno selection be something amazing or just okay? What are the plans for after creation? Release? Either way it's a lot of work. Should you except your mission I offer support and good karma your way lol Maybe start a thread based on your project? That might help get things realized by getting mass input.

Crom

Capulator · Apr 28, 2012

I have some FPOG and white HP BX that are about to go in to the test tent. Thought if I get a nice white male I would chuck some pollen on the FPOG... fruity white hash plant. LOL.

glockdoc · Apr 28, 2012

crom said:
Maybe combine the two BB strains and find the best phenos, male and female. OR Combine (Dhaze x SWD) x BS.

The main thing is selection and having the original parents around in case you you mess up you can back track. You need to find what traits are dominant in your preliminary test crosses so you know what each plant offers. If you have the perfect cross with two plants then add the third if it's dominant it will mask traits you were trying to lock down. The project you are embarking on may take you 8 years to complete! Plus you will never be satisfied if/when you find your special pheno that is closest to BD. By the time you lock down the traits that are needed to be present to replicate a strain you might want to go a different route with the final pheno. Stay true and have people help, also take proper notes on all things trait related. Start documenting and making a final product plan using reverse planning. Start with what you want to accomplish and do some possible scenarios with the genetics, percentage wise per plant offered, and see if it ends up being a blueberry x haze. Why not get Dj's Blueberry and some crazy landrace hazes and start there? You might end up going in a crazy direction trying to incorporate three multi-hybrids to attempt a replica.

What about the Blue Dream are you looking to change and why?
Why not get Blue Dream and outcross it to something that will fix it's problematic issues?
Do you enjoy BD enough to do years of selections to find it?

Another hard thing to consider is the size of the selection pool you are using. The big boys have plots in different countries that are like corn fields! Selection that found SSH, and Jack were way larger then we can work with here in the states, unless...

Ultimately is all this worth the final product is what I ask myself before I embark on a project. Will the final pheno selection be something amazing or just okay? What are the plans for after creation? Release? Either way it's a lot of work. Should you except your mission I offer support and good karma your way lol Maybe start a thread based on your project? That might help get things realized by getting mass input.

Crom

probably the best insight i could of received from alot of people. why not dj shorts blueberry is a good question. couple of reasons being a partner of mine said he once ran into some blueberry skunk and it was some killer shit. i had already done some strain research on alternative bluedreams like jackberry, SWD, Blue haze and Far out. im hearing sannies is having some shipping trouble in the US?? well i didnt go with JB for that reason, blue haze was sold out and still is so it was b/w far out and SWD. i know Santa cruz haze was the name of a SSH cut floating around Santa cruz that was particular strong. like i said in my last post SSH is a strong pheno creation of jack herer so SWD took the cake. wasnt thinking about how multi-hybrids could send me down a wrong geneo journey LoL thanks for filling me in.

i was thinking along the lines of skunk #1 being the 1st successful sativa/indica hybrid. and it is used a good amount of indica sativa crosses (NL x Haze x Skunk) so i perceived it as being a stabilizer more then a genotype masker but what you said makes 100% sense. i could see alot of skunk and NL phenos i want nothing to do with.

there is nothing i really want to change about blue dream but it NOT being available in seed form. that and i wanted to toy around with some breeding for my 1st time but i didnt think it could take 8yrs i was thinking along the lines of 2 and some change. how would i go about outcrossing BD into something. if it would be easier then what im thinking of doing then please fill me in! i enjoy BD enough to put in some years to do, but if its going to take time and space then ill be better of waiting until the time is right when i have the time and space. BD has that berry and hazy taste but it is also very potent god bless that cut but wouldn't it be nice to have some beans of it?!?!?!

about the big boys and there plots, i have no where near any space they had or plant numbers, but i believe you couldnt count me out seeing environment has alot to do with phenotype. i'd grow some indoor in a cab, some outdoor, some thru my care taker buddys to grow, and shit even disperse some on here. no ones grow room is the same, so if someone got a great pheno from a strain i put together then thats as good as trump to me.

id like to thank you again for your insight and input! got me thinking on another level now. i only saw it as me creating my own SWD and then crossing it with another already made one.

crom · Apr 28, 2012

I'm happy that the info helped you! I'm not trying to discourage anyone, but to find and lock down traits from 1-2 plants is hard, let alone 3. Though it wouldn't hurt to chuck some pollen and see what happens! I would start with the overall plan, then do some simple crosses to start the process in the right direction. Maybe do a pollination with the three strains you have listed using each strain differently. For instance do a Bs x Dhaze, Bs x SWD, SWD x Dhaze, etc. Not sure which is your female and male? Which one is the male in the three strains? The male is an important contributor, and you may find yourself doing multiple runs just for the first male! Some males are good some suck. Impossible to see what the male offers to the cross without first outcrossing it. Yeah you can do stem rubs and look at structure and all that, but you need to test the crap out of that male! Ensure that your MALE won't hermie or act up when stressed. You will need to repeat these tests with each prospective parent to ensure they are worth adding to your mix of genetics. Who knows you might be able to pull it off in a couple years, but it will be a back to back grow just testing phenos. Even if you get super lucky and find a bad ass female, again you may cross that with the male you thought would do something but instead you have a totally different plant then planned. Note this and don't repeat that cross. You might want to get as many pictures of the original BD cut to get the structure/color/bud shape/flower time all in line. Just think about this, if you find that, for instance, the Blueberry Skunk x SWD produces a kick ass pheno that would be complimented by a haze you are almost there, but if you cross all three plants it might not work. This gets frustrating! Especially when you are running heavy sativas and the flower times take you 10-12 weeks minimum. There are so many different traits that come up that need to be nailed down. Flower time should be interesting to nail down with those Hazes. What is your flower time like on the three plants you want to start with?

You might want to attempt to just find an awesome male to work with and pollinate the Blue Dream cut to make seed. As long as the male doesn't mask the traits you like in the BD your golden. Maybe find your favorite aspect of BD and add some more of that to the mix with said male selection. This way you don't have to recreate the wheel, but rather you are just making a favorite strain better for YOU whilst providing ample seed. Now obviously you wouldn't be stressing the project if you had access to the real BD cut, but maybe that will be an easier project to locate that cut then to find that male? All I'm saying is if you plan to recreate a masterpiece expect a lot of work ahead. Thousands of phenos to go through to find your prospective parents. Fun to do if your up for the task, but hope you don't get sick BD in the process lol

I personally would obtain the real deal Blue Dream and hit it with your SWD and record your results. Do this for all three Dhaze, SWD, and BS. See what each genotype offers to the BD cut. You might be surprised by the vigor, quality, and be satisfied with the results! If I wanted BD to be more Haze I'd hit the BD with a haze and select from there, do some backcrosses to lock down traits you've added and bam, +/- 2 years your done! OR you could find a bitchin male from your BD x BS/SWD/Dhaze cross, test the crap out of it, then backcross to the Blue Dream to solidify the traits your have selected for. So many ways to skin a cat, but which gets the best results is up to you to find. Test everything and take notes. Hate to pull a Sour D and do all the work just to have accidentally locked down the hermie trait. Hell if you really want to cut corners you could just self the Blue Dream and make S1s! Slight pheno variations, but nothing you can't lock down over many generations in the backcross arena.

Ultimately if you have not had the privilege of reading Robert K. Clarke 's "Marijuana Botany", and Greg Green's "Cannabis Breeders Bible" I'd truely start there! Excellent info in those two books! Also don't be scared to venture around the internet to find videos/articles/diagrams of breeding plants and genetic theory! Here are some kick ass videos I like to watch as refreshers no and again. You must have the info on hand, in your head, or have excellent resources to complete any breeding projects with success. Anyone can chuck pollen, but what your are taking on is a breeding project, as if Blue Dream didn't exist yet. Maybe you want to focus on making a much better "version" of BB x Haze/Haze x BB. What about a Blueberry Jack x Blueberry Haze? That seems like a straight forward cross that could be firey in all phenos! Try a cross of that (BB x Jack) x (BB x Haze) and find the best male you can find! Then hit the BD cut with that male for seed production! I just think of breeding projects like an opportunity to make something better, or providing a strain that isn't around/available to others at the current time. Doing YEARS of work on something that you can get a cut of at any club in Cali might not be worth years of work, UNLESS you are planning on making it better! What are BD's downfalls? Is it susceptible to mold/bugs/pm/etc? If you can breed out the bad stuff and breed in the good you will provide a BD that is better then BD. Blue Wet Dream is created lol Have fun with it, but be realistic with your goals! Love the drive you have! Keep us/me updated on your project! Hope this info helped...

Cheers,
Crom

215 User · Apr 28, 2012

Babysitting a OG Chem aka Motor Breath male to fill a pollen baggy......
Going to dust Kronocaine & Sour Joker in about 15 more days.

caregiverken · Apr 28, 2012

About what week(s) do you guys dust the females?

JAWS · Apr 28, 2012

hey KEN:)
i like to start mine about three weeks in that way they have plenty of time to finish, an HEAVER SAT DOM strain you could possible wait a bit longer due to the longer flowering time..
peace:)

bearbud · Apr 28, 2012

Hello from Colorado I crossed a male grape/cindy99 with a female white queen by hand and a grape/cindy99 male with a blackberry kush female and I might cross a jedi female with the same.

215 User · Apr 28, 2012

Depending on flower times..
These are 9-10 week strains s so at 25 days for me.

BLAZINPIFF · Apr 30, 2012

Neve made a cross but im planning on making sum killer crosses soon. I have a bunch of killer strains like grapeStomperOg , original sour diesel , kosher kush , brightmoments , burugundy , confidential cheese , pre98 bubba , tahoe og , buddha tahoe og, deadhead og, ogiesel, abunch of freebies, holy grail kush, tga subcool ace of spades , stacked kush, california dreaming, sunsetlimeted, skywalker kushx og18 , og18 ,og kush, royal queen blue mistic, exodus kush, and a shit load more juss cant think of em but im thinkin of throwing

Gage green Burgundy fem x grapestomper og male
Subcool ace of spades fem x gage green grape stomper og male
Royal queen blue mistic fem x gage green grape stomper og male
Cali connection Tahoe og fem x gage green grape stomper og male.

Juss four to try out hopefully they will get in your hands let me kno also what strains outta hea u would like to c in the future

glockdoc · Apr 30, 2012

a nice diesel haze mix plz! and i would want to be able to acquire these mixes.

crom · Apr 30, 2012

So here's what I'm currently flowering out. You can see there is some interesting crosses in this tent! Some oldies/goodies, and some new stuff. The male used in the SSSDH crosses was a Sour D dominant male. The SSSDH in the tent is also a Sour D dominant pheno. Enough Sour D for y'all? hehe I'm running this Motorbreath pheno for the first time too. I have some plans for the Motorbreath once I figure out which pheno I prefer to breed with! ;) Enjoy!

Cheers,
Crom

kinger · Apr 30, 2012

yummy, wifi x sssdh sounds like some super fire. Looks killer already :)

crom · Apr 30, 2012

kinger said:
yummy, wifi x sssdh sounds like some super fire. Looks killer already :)

Thanks! A buddy of mine in the UK made the SSSDH crosses, Twist. Looking forward to the smoke!

BLAZINPIFF · Apr 30, 2012

BLAZINPIFF said:
Neve made a cross but im planning on making sum killer crosses soon. I have a bunch of killer strains like grapeStomperOg , original sour diesel , kosher kush , brightmoments , burugundy , confidential cheese , pre98 bubba , tahoe og , buddha tahoe og, deadhead og, ogiesel, abunch of freebies, holy grail kush, tga subcool ace of spades , stacked kush, california dreaming, sunsetlimeted, skywalker kushx og18 , og18 ,og kush, royal queen blue mistic, exodus kush, and a shit load more juss cant think of em but im thinkin of throwing

Forgot to add that ima hit my jackpot royale from alphakronics with the graperstomper og pollen
Gage green Burgundy fem x grapestomper og male
Subcool ace of spades fem x gage green grape stomper og male
Royal queen blue mistic fem x gage green grape stomper og male
Cali connection Tahoe og fem x gage green grape stomper og male.

Juss four to try out hopefully they will get in your hands let me kno also what strains outta hea u would like to c in the future

glockdoc · Apr 30, 2012

nice bro! let me get some beans. and can i ask u a question.....why arent u mixing chem and sssdh?!?!?!

crom · Apr 30, 2012

glockdoc said:
nice bro! let me get some beans. and can i ask u a question.....why arent u mixing chem and sssdh?!?!?!

Well the simple answer is, they are both female plants. My friend did the crosses with the SSSDH male (Sour D pheno). The SSSDH I have is female, so I would need to reverse it, not a big deal, but I'm not big into feminized seed. I have combined (Super Lemon Haze x SSSDH) x Aliendawg. I also did SSSDH x Aliendawg. So the fire is here, I just need a bigger fireplace lol You might like my '91Chem x Aliendawg if your a Chemdog fan. Here's a few shots of my '91Chem x Aliendawg(aka Area '91)! Enjoy my Chem lovers!