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I purchased my 7 Gavitas 3 years ago and loving the DE's. Now I want to expand again and I am torn between buying more DE's from PL, or taking the CMH plunge in flower. It is a shame that Monsanto purchased Gavita mostly because now i have to go and buy all new controllers and who knows what else . I have been told the pl hoods are not as efficient as the Gavitas.

As far as the botanacare end goes you can always mix your own calmag for pennies. The fatman thread on raw salts may even have an recipie for it. Personally I gave up premixed bottled nute stock solutions about 5 or 6 years back, and I have never looked back :D

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I purchased my 7 Gavitas 3 years ago and loving the DE's. Now I want to expand again and I am torn between buying more DE's from PL, or taking the CMH plunge in flower. It is a shame that Monsanto purchased Gavita mostly because now i have to go and buy all new controllers and who knows what else . I have been told the pl hoods are not as efficient as the Gavitas.

As far as the botanacare end goes you can always mix your own calmag for pennies. The fatman thread on raw salts may even have an recipie for it. Personally I gave up premixed bottled nute stock solutions about 5 or 6 years back, and I have never looked back :D

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I want to start mixing my own but dont have the space since i live in a apartment. Thanks for the thread reccomendation ill have to check it out.
 
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ken dog people like you are whats wrong with the world today! get outta here dude....your banned :)
people like you dont deserve to be apart of thcfarmer.
Enjoy your high fructose corn syrup soda :drunk:
Hell yeah Logic!
That kinda shit is ridiculous , acting like he is so smart , when it sounds like he gets his info from USA today, actually I don't think even that so called paper views Monsanto as favorably as ken
 
oldskol4evr

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Regarding being somebody's bitch... That's not happening or hasn't happened.

I don't follow the crowd when it comes to propaganda and mindless brainwashing... and drinking the Kool-Aid that certain environmentalists want to feed us.

I've provided links, and I've shown that Monsanto is a global player and necessary for civilization.

I love Monsanto.
are you just brain died or a hillary suporter looking for votes,,she is a chair person,,that were the counrty lays right in some ones pocket seems they lining your well,,take a ride out to west texas look at the land your so well endorsed company did and disapeared,,gov paid them folk not to farm it from there shit,,haters are gonna hate,,and idiots are gonna be just that,,print your card wear it proud,,cause the brain wont last long on your beliefs
 
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are you just brain died or a hillary suporter looking for votes,,she is a chair person,,that were the counrty lays right in some ones pocket seems they lining your well,,take a ride out to west texas look at the land your so well endorsed company did and disapeared,,gov paid them folk not to farm it from there shit,,haters are gonna hate,,and idiots are gonna be just that,,print your card wear it proud,,cause the brain wont last long on your beliefs
it Donsent do any good to talk to him hez already been banned. Lol
 
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The part that we should be most concerned about Monsanto and other chemical companies gmos isn't the fact that it's been genetically altered- although unnatural and likely harmful long term -its the reason these organisms/plants were modified in the first place . Take roundup ready corn for example it's been genetically modified to tolerate being sprayed w glyphosate -a herbicide that would normally kill corn plants. The vast majority of corn is sprayed w it to eliminate the manual labor of weeding between the rows of plants. Glyphosate has been linked to developmental problems such as autism. In fact the average American woman's breast milk has glyphosate in it. It's also a known carcinogen. It seems every time it's mentioned gmos are bad it's never discussed and poorly understood why. By the way Monsantos flagship product is glyphosate/roundup. So yea they have helped produce copious amounts of food for a lot less effort but at the expense of causing long term human mutations and suffering.

Welcome to farm and thanks for input
Have made in the last 15 years hundreds if not thousands TONS of chicken feed non gmo
Corn soy beans or meal
In the beginning few knew
My mentor who got me started raising poultry insisted on non gmo
Have raised well over 10,000 chickens for meat and eggs
I was a pioneer locally and my eggs and meat chickens are the very best as my customers say
However now a days lots are raising chickens and have moved in with gmo fed chicken eggs at cheaper price
I have spread the word and been criticized but the proof is in the eggs and meat chickens we have produced in those 15 years
 
Mr Bee

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They may do good now, just wait until they shut down every single private small non Comercial grower. Oh, and not to mention, their products are killing off bees. You do know what happens with out been, right? No more flowers, no more fruit, no more plant pollination. Believe me I'm far from.a tree hugger, but bees play a huge role in the life cycle of plants in the wild. And who doesn't love honey.
No bees would eventually result in no people either.think on.
 
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it Donsent do any good to talk to him hez already been banned. Lol
good,,i been here at the farm a little over a year,,really like it here,,folk like that need to go back over to rollitup were they belong,,nothing like great conversation and one these idiots show up,,to troll and break great discussion,,everyone is intitaled to there opinions and welcomed,,what he was doing was intentional,,why,,we all here for entertainment and study to be better at what ever we do,,lets get back to focus and start giving these newbies great idea's and help when needed,,even at my age i still pickup tricks,,we all need to focus on this to make a great gardener out of them
 
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are you just brain died or a hillary suporter looking for votes,,she is a chair person,,that were the counrty lays right in some ones pocket seems they lining your well,,

not so fast there http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-sat-monsanto-board/

Well that was weird pasting, hope it looks alright. Don't get me wrong, neither side really cares or does much, but only one has made repealing every environmental protection one of their talking points.

Not sure how credible this website is, but there were a bunch reporting similar figures. I think if you look at which party monsanto puts it's money behind...maybe a change of heart?

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgot.php?cmte=C00042069


meh, neither side really cares about that, both just want that sweet campaign contribution cash.

Edit: it is very reasonable and logical that they would contribute more heavily to republicans since they control the farming states.
 
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Monsanto is the rallying cry for a bunch of idealist, zealots who depend on that mantra in exactly the same way religious zealots shill the holiness of their deity or theological cause. It 100% mimics the techniques of the anti-vaxers as well. They employ the exact same techniques:
  • Slogans: "GMO is evil!" "GMO is killing us!"
  • Unsubstantiated assertions: "Do you know that Indians have been committing suicide because of GMO crops!"
  • Ad Hominem attacks: "You're obviously too stupid to see the evidence!"
  • Straw man arguments: "What? Are you working for Monsanto? Are they paying you to say this?"
  • Hot buttoning: "Monsanto is evil and you're defending this evil company!"
  • Hysteria / Hyperbole: "Fine. You're going to die and all the biodiversity is going to be destroyed by this GMO business!"
  • Outright lying: "Monsanto has sued farmers out of existence for false reasons!"
  • Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc: "Well, ever since we started using GMO, bad thing has been on the rise!"
  • Cherry Picking: "Monsanto has sued farmers for X." (never explaining the full legal details)
  • Confirmation Bias: "I read on XYZ website how people who eat GMOs are complaining about X diseases now.¨
  • Anecdotal evidence: "My friend/cousin was sued by Monsanto." Or, "Since I switched to all organic, I feel better."

Here's the truth. Once we marry ourselves to an ideal, a cause, a thing, we become completely incapable of actually critically thinking about it. We lose touch with reality. Our emotional "buy in" prevents us from being objective and honest with ourselves. We perceive attacks on the idea as an attack on ourselves. We employ all sorts of fallacies and zealotry.

Does this sound familiar? Does it remind you of the tactics religious people use? Of course it does.

Now, there are certainly some studies done that show potential for danger in certain GMO crops. But the zealot / "bias confirming" individual sees those as the most important studies, all the rest (the, LITERALLY, thousands upon thousands done all over the world) that show that GMO's are safe, don't count. They are discounted.

The stories about how evil Monsanto is are elevated to gospel. People who doubt them are attacked. People who approve of them are deemed good. But as the actual, verifiable facts show, Monsanto is just a company. It is a mixture of good and bad (and there are things I don't like that they do), but Monsanto is no more evil than Google or Facebook or Microsoft or GM or Kroger. As a human organization it does things that we might not approve of, but the massive attention it gets is bloated by uninformed, fact-denying zealots who see their cause as righteous and any "white lie" told to destroy Monsanto is ultimately good and just.

Truth is find evidence that Monsanto is evil. And no, Wikipedia doesn't count. mean while i am going to tend to my GMO crops that will guarantee me money in the bank :) Hey look no insect damage :)

PS: Think of it this way with out GMO that loaf of bread would cost you 20 bucks now how many people are starving to death
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Purpletrain

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They may do good now, just wait until they shut down every single private small non Comercial grower. Oh, and not to mention, their products are killing off bees. You do know what happens with out been, right? No more flowers, no more fruit, no more plant pollination. Believe me I'm far from.a tree hugger, but bees play a huge role in the life cycle of plants in the wild. And who doesn't love honey.

People are misinformed they read something on the internet and deem it to be true
When someone actually does some research rather then cut corners lets have a look at Monsanto company's history, and learned that people who talk about things like how Monsanto made Agent Orange, they're showing ignorance of a simple fact I also used to be ignorant of: there are two Monsantos.

The first Monsanto was Monsanto Chemical, a company that manufactured food additives, industrial chemicals, and plastics. This Monsanto no longer exists. In the late 1990s, it developed the drug Celebrex. Pfizer bought this Monsanto in 2002

The other Monsanto is Monsanto the seed company. In 1996, Monsanto (the chemical company) bought an agricultural company. In 2002, when Pfizer bought Monsanto (the chemical company), they weren't interested in the agribusiness, so they spun off the agricultural company as Monsanto (the seed company).
Monsanto (the seed company) was distinct from Monsanto (the chemical company), with its own bylaws, a different board of directors, and different management from Monsanto (the chemical company). Monsanto (the seed company) kept the name "Monsanto" because they felt it would be expensive to change. Changing the name, they estimated, would cost $40 million.

I bet they regret that decision now.

Was Monsanto (the chemical company) evil? Certainly they were ruthless. A lot of things they're accused of, though, aren't necessarily true--at least the way people say they are. For instance, the Agent Orange thing. Agent Orange wasn't invented by Monsanto. It was invented by the DoD. The primary manufacturer wasn't Monsanto. It was Dow Chemical. When Dow couldn't manufacture it fast enough, the government turned to overflow suppliers, including Hercules, the Diamond Shamrock Corporation, Uniroyal (the tire manufacturer), Thompson Chemical Company, and, yes, Monsanto (the chemical company). But strangely, only Monsanto gets blamed for it--you never see folks boycotting Uniroyal tires over Agent Orange! That seemed weird to me, so I kept researching.

Monsanto (the chemical company) was only incidentally interested in agribusiness. Monsanto (the chemical company) developed the herbicide glyphosate in 1970. The patent on glyphosate expired in 2000, two years before Pfizer bought Monsanto (the chemical company). Pfizer wasn't interested in making herbicides, so Monsanto (the seed company) kept the glyphosate business. They still make glyphosate, but they're not a huge manufacturer--because the patent has expired, most glyphosate is manufactured these days in China.

So what about Monsanto (the seed company)? I keep reading tons of stories about how evil it is, but when I go to validate those stories, they tend to turn out not to be true.

A lot of folks fear GMOs, for the same reasons a lot of folks fear vaccines--there's a lot of bad info out there. Some of it (like "GMOs aren't tested" or "GMOs cause cancer") is demonstrably false. But that conversation is outside the scope of the question.

Monsanto gets a lot of its bad reputation on the basis that it makes GMOs and people are frightened of GMOs. A lot of other companies also make GMOs, but Monsanto is singled out for special hate, even though it's not the biggest company in the GMO business (ConAgra (correction: Syngena), for instance, is bigger).

A lot of folks don't like that Monsanto patents seeds. That's just ignorance. All seed companies, including organic seed companies, patent seeds. A seed does not have to be GMO to be patented. The first seed patents were issued in the 1800s, long before GMOs existed.

A lot of folks don't like that farmers aren't allowed to save seeds from GMO crops. Well, farmers also can't save seeds from patented organic or conventional crops either. Or from hybrid crops (seeds from hybrid crops don't tend to breed the desired traits reliably).
But I grew up in a farm town, and I've never met a farmer who wants to save seeds. It's bad for business. Seeds are one of the cheapest parts of running a farm. Farmers who save seeds have to dry, process, and store them. Farmers who buy seeds get a guarantee that the seeds will grow; if they don't, the seed company will pay them.

People say that Monsanto is evil because they sue farmers for accidental contamination of their fields. I looked, but I couldn't find any court cases of this. I did find court cases where farmers denied stealing seeds and said it must be contamination, but in all those cases, a jury or the court found they were lying. (If someone inspects your field and 98% of the plants growing on it are a patented variety, that's not accidental contamination.)

And some of the claims I kept reading about Monsanto's evil were just...weird. Like a web site I found that said Monsanto's neonicitoid-coated seeds kill bees. Well, I mean, yes, neonics might be harmful to bees, but...er, um...

...that technology was developed by Bayer, not Monsanto! Bayer is a totally different company that's a competitor of Monsanto.

Or the idea that Monsanto controls the world's food supply (I'm sure they'd love to, but they don't own more than about 35% of the market in any of the products they make). Or that Monsanto has paid off all the world's scientists to engage in a vast conspiracy to say GMOs are safe when they're really not. Look, ExxonMobil is enormous compared to Monsanto, and with their vast piles of money they can't pay off all the world's scientists to say global warming isn't a thing! If ExxonMobil can't afford to pay off scientists, how can a company that's smaller than Starbucks?

So after looking into it, I was forced to change my mind and conclude that Monsanto (the seed company) isn't particularly evil, at least not in a way that other corporations aren't. ConAgra actually seems more evil, if you look at biotech companies. Monsanto (the chemical company) seemed more evil, and it's perhaps appropriate it was bought by Pfizer, which is definitely evil. But Monsanto (the seed company)? Not so much.
 
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chickenman

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Monsanto is the rallying cry for a bunch of idealist, zealots who depend on that mantra in exactly the same way religious zealots shill the holiness of their deity or theological cause. It 100% mimics the techniques of the anti-vaxers as well. They employ the exact same techniques:
  • Slogans: "GMO is evil!" "GMO is killing us!"
  • Unsubstantiated assertions: "Do you know that Indians have been committing suicide because of GMO crops!"
  • Ad Hominem attacks: "You're obviously too stupid to see the evidence!"
  • Straw man arguments: "What? Are you working for Monsanto? Are they paying you to say this?"
  • Hot buttoning: "Monsanto is evil and you're defending this evil company!"
  • Hysteria / Hyperbole: "Fine. You're going to die and all the biodiversity is going to be destroyed by this GMO business!"
  • Outright lying: "Monsanto has sued farmers out of existence for false reasons!"
  • Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc: "Well, ever since we started using GMO, bad thing has been on the rise!"
  • Cherry Picking: "Monsanto has sued farmers for X." (never explaining the full legal details)
  • Confirmation Bias: "I read on XYZ website how people who eat GMOs are complaining about X diseases now.¨
  • Anecdotal evidence: "My friend/cousin was sued by Monsanto." Or, "Since I switched to all organic, I feel better."

Here's the truth. Once we marry ourselves to an ideal, a cause, a thing, we become completely incapable of actually critically thinking about it. We lose touch with reality. Our emotional "buy in" prevents us from being objective and honest with ourselves. We perceive attacks on the idea as an attack on ourselves. We employ all sorts of fallacies and zealotry.

Does this sound familiar? Does it remind you of the tactics religious people use? Of course it does.

Now, there are certainly some studies done that show potential for danger in certain GMO crops. But the zealot / "bias confirming" individual sees those as the most important studies, all the rest (the, LITERALLY, thousands upon thousands done all over the world) that show that GMO's are safe, don't count. They are discounted.

The stories about how evil Monsanto is are elevated to gospel. People who doubt them are attacked. People who approve of them are deemed good. But as the actual, verifiable facts show, Monsanto is just a company. It is a mixture of good and bad (and there are things I don't like that they do), but Monsanto is no more evil than Google or Facebook or Microsoft or GM or Kroger. As a human organization it does things that we might not approve of, but the massive attention it gets is bloated by uninformed, fact-denying zealots who see their cause as righteous and any "white lie" told to destroy Monsanto is ultimately good and just.

Truth is find evidence that Monsanto is evil. And no, Wikipedia doesn't count. mean while i am going to tend to my GMO crops that will guarantee me money in the bank :) Hey look no insect damage :)

PS: Think of it this way with out GMO that loaf of bread would cost you 20 bucks now how many people are starving to death
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?? Before all this bread was not high priced..
We can feed the world without GMO greed.. They want control of seed re use that has been done for thousands of years..
the seed patent is enough right there as well as the glyphosate use
Enjoy your GMOs I stick with what works for us real food, real people Judge Judy told me so and her decision is final....
 
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?? Before all this bread was not high priced..
We can feed the world without GMO greed.. They want control of seed re use that has been done for thousands of years..
the seed patent is enough right there as well as the glyphosate use
Enjoy your GMOs I stick with what works for us real food, real people Judge Judy told me so and her decision is final....

Chicken man that is great about people they can choose there life style , and what they eat
as for your prices going up well that is pretty simple .
In USA alone 10 acres a min of farmland is being lost , so with that so is production of food its all about ,supply and demand , bro .
With geological area weather patterns changing drastically this also causes shortages and harvest damage is Monsanto to blame for all of this also ???
If you break it down GMO and climate change work together wheats are genetically altered so they need less wate, So in drought areas they will be able to flourish
I am not here to change anyone's views just saying is it really that bad

Chicken man i challenge you using only court documents and original source materials, find evidence that Monsanto is evil. And no, Wikipedia doesn't count.

GMOs have a very long history. In fact, they've been around for thousands of years. So perhaps the conflict over their safety and efficacy shouldn't be about whether they're safe for humans to consume, but rather how they will impact long-term, sustainable agricultural efforts.
“Essentially, farmers have been modifying crops for thousands and thousands of years — we’ve been cross-breeding our best possible, most productive hybrids to create the best crops,
GMOs are just the next level of agricultural advancement. What’s different is a new gene is being inserted into a crop which otherwise wouldn’t be there.
And Contrary to popular belief, humans have been messing with food and its genes for a long time, even if they originally gave most of the control to nature. Since the advent of agriculture 12,000 years ago, farmers have strived to improve their crops’ durability, resistance to diseases and pests, and satisfaction to humans as much as possible.
If you think about it we altered these plants so much that they developed into crops that would never survive in the wild without human care
Plants such as strawberries, wheat, cabbage, corn, and almost all the rest of our crops” descended from ancestors that were nothing like strawberries or wheat or corn from back in the day.
If we’re fighting over-industrialization of agriculture, “GMOs are the wrong battleground.” With the population to be in the 7,716,749,042 by 2020 and losing farm land what other means would you impose chicken man ??? organic growing that truly is a fail if you want to feed 8 billion people
in order for organic to compete for one more land is needed per crop
 
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Chicken man that is great about people they can choose there life style , and what they eat
as for your prices going up well that is pretty simple .
In USA alone 10 acres a min of farmland is being lost , so with that so is production of food its all about ,supply and demand , bro .
With geological area weather patterns changing drastically this also causes shortages and harvest damage is Monsanto to blame for all of this also ???
If you break it down GMO and climate change work together wheats are genetically altered so they need less wate, So in drought areas they will be able to flourish
I am not here to change anyone's views just saying is it really that bad

Chicken man i challenge you using only court documents and original source materials, find evidence that Monsanto is evil. And no, Wikipedia doesn't count.

GMOs have a very long history. In fact, they've been around for thousands of years. So perhaps the conflict over their safety and efficacy shouldn't be about whether they're safe for humans to consume, but rather how they will impact long-term, sustainable agricultural efforts.
“Essentially, farmers have been modifying crops for thousands and thousands of years — we’ve been cross-breeding our best possible, most productive hybrids to create the best crops,
GMOs are just the next level of agricultural advancement. What’s different is a new gene is being inserted into a crop which otherwise wouldn’t be there.
And Contrary to popular belief, humans have been messing with food and its genes for a long time, even if they originally gave most of the control to nature. Since the advent of agriculture 12,000 years ago, farmers have strived to improve their crops’ durability, resistance to diseases and pests, and satisfaction to humans as much as possible.
If you think about it we altered these plants so much that they developed into crops that would never survive in the wild without human care
Plants such as strawberries, wheat, cabbage, corn, and almost all the rest of our crops” descended from ancestors that were nothing like strawberries or wheat or corn from back in the day.
If we’re fighting over-industrialization of agriculture, “GMOs are the wrong battleground.” With the population to be in the 7,716,749,042 by 2020 and losing farm land what other means would you impose chicken man ??? organic growing that truly is a fail if you want to feed 8 billion people
in order for organic to compete for one more land is needed per crop

Blah blah blah..
Whatever Dude...
I choose to take matters in my own hands and produce nutrient dense foods that are..
Fun to grow
Taste amazing.
Prevent most illness.
Fun to prepare.
Celebrate life thru amazing but simple feasts....daily.
Have gatherings of like minded folk who enjoy and appreciate..
Only a few years left so I will follow my heart and live it up how I see fit.
You have your choice I have mine..
But I consider myself to be one lucky crazy ass healthy rebel.......
Check back when your 60 plus and see if you can keep up with kids 22 years old fishing, hiking, wading......They are like OMG your awesome...
 
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Blah blah blah..
Blah blah blah..
Whatever Dude...
I choose to take matters in my own hands and produce nutrient dense foods that are..
Fun to grow
Taste amazing.
Prevent most illness.
Fun to prepare.
Celebrate life thru amazing but simple feasts....daily.
Have gatherings of like minded folk who enjoy and appreciate..
Only a few years left so I will follow my heart and live it up how I see fit.
You have your choice I have mine..
But I consider myself to be one lucky crazy ass healthy rebel.......
Check back when your 60 plus and see if you can keep up with kids 22 years old fishing, hiking, wading......They are like OMG your awesome...

Hey man that is awesome i am mid 50's and keep up shit most cannot keep up with me but again it all falls back on your family genetics my father is over 88 and healthy strong and still working on the farm
you mention your in your 60's and only a few years left ???
Whats wrong with you ??? i know i am going
to be around min another 35 years

but anyways Truth is most farmers embrace GMO sseds cause ay the end of the day its cuts operating costs down tremendously which means more toys )
How many old fuckers you know that can go 0 - 260 mph in less then 5 seconds lol
Well now you do lmao
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never did, never would, grow gmo.

some value personal gain more than others, i guess.

"i know i am going to be around min another 35 years", how do youknow that?
 
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