MooseFarts Outdoor Grow 2019

Thinking that the girls are wanting a feeding soon. Might foliar feed tonight.

Since the pH of the soil is sitting around a 7.3 my guess is it’s leading to a boron deficiency, or its just in need of a little cal-mag. Anyone know why some of the leaves are curling sideways??

After a little research the above deficiencies are definitely a bit of iron and magnesium deficiency; mostly due to the soil pH being above 7.0

MooseFarts said:

Thinking that the girls are wanting a feeding soon. Might foliar feed tonight.

Since the pH of the soil is sitting around a 7.3 my guess is it’s leading to a boron deficiency, or its just in need of a little cal-mag. Anyone know why some of the leaves are curling sideways??
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Well that sucks. How's your water?

PlumberSoCal said:

Well that sucks. How's your water?

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Water going in is always 6.2-6.8. I think it’s got something to do with the hole the plant is in is surrounded by clay perhaps? Or maybe it was just the ph of the soil I started with.

MooseFarts said:

Water going in is always 6.2-6.8. I think it’s got something to do with the hole the plant is in is surrounded by clay perhaps? Or maybe it was just the ph of the soil I started with.

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Don't know and I've got clay soil surrounding and mixed in. Must be something in the soil. I'm keeping straw and composted horse manure as mulch. So far so good.

PlumberSoCal said:

Don't know and I've got clay soil surrounding and mixed in. Must be something in the soil. I'm keeping straw and composted horse manure as mulch. So far so good.

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This year I started with some new holes, filled them with half triple mix (compost, sandy soil, loam) and half promix hp. The triple mix is mixed by a local landscape company and I’m sure they don’t test it for pH. I’ve been trying to get my hands on some earthworm castings to work into the top mulch layer but haven’t had much luck. I am just using grass and alfalfa clippings as mulch right now.

I’m sure I’ll be able to amend the soil over the winter with the chicken manure we have (we have chickens) I also have access to horse manure so will use some of that.

The pH of 7.3 is not HORRIBLE but it’s not ideal. I was hoping that watering with pH’d water will eventually drop it below 7 but it’s been about a month since I’ve checked.

Well it’s been a week since i posted pics of the girls so might as well have an update and oh baby have they ever grown. I guess it’s that time of the year when they just explode and it’s beautiful.

Here’s them all:


As you can see all the cages are on, Ive got the secondary cage on the OGKZ ready for it to grow through it.

Kalashnikov express:
SWEET BABY JESUS! She doesn’t look as great as the others but fuck doesn’t she look way better than before?? Got some life in the plant now after a little TLC




White critical express:



White widow 47:




Kabul express:


Peyote cookies:





AK Kush express:
This plant has really bushed out with all the LST it’s been getting. All the inner branches are growing up quick and the main colas have reached the cage. I will top the mains to double the colas soon.



Baikal express:



OGKZ:




AK Kush Express

Wow! All look excellent but that OGKZ and the AK kush are really extreme! Can’t wait to see these flowering! I would only be more excited if they were mine

TerriR said:

Wow! All look excellent but that OGKZ and the AK kush are really extreme! Can’t wait to see these flowering! I would only be more excited if they were mine

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I know right?! And funny enough the AK kush plant was a little runt for so long. I know AK kush is supposed to be a little shrub anyways but it was WAYYY smaller than the others even though planted at the same time. It was stunted actually because when I planted it initially the tap root started coming out of the soil rather than down so I had to gently dig it out and flip it over. But anyways this was it compared to others planted at the same time



And this is at 5 weeks, still a tiny little one.



But it definitely exploded since being in the ground.

Hello just an update of how the girls are doing, Had too much rain for a while and they were having an overwatering issue because of it. Finally some sunny weather and they're doing great! Everyone is starting to fill out much more. Lots of tying down and training to keep a wide even canopy.

I think they're doing great, have had some opinions from friends that I'm leaving them too leafy and suggesting me to remove large fan leaves for light penetration. I am opposed to doing this as I have had bad experience with removing fan leaves since they're essentially the solar panels for the plant. Anyone more experienced have any input to help me out? Yes my plants are very bushy and leafy, but I have trained them to stay relatively short and most have 20+ main colas with thick heavy stems on them.


Also this first picture, the closest plant in the photo is the plant which was almost dead a couple weeks ago...A lot of fuckin around and babying that plant but now ITS FINALLY CAME BACK TO LIFE! Plant has exploded in growth since its finally grown some healthy roots.



From left to right here is Peyote cookies, Kabul Express, Baikal Express (the one started a month after the rest) and OGKZ (this one is at least 1m tall and wide now)



The plant in the front is the white critical express, the background plants are the same ones above.



The hounds and the AK Kush Express


If anyone has any input on how I should go about pruning the plants I am well open to suggestions! As I said I have never had a good experience with snipping away fan leaves. I have been pruning branches and growth tips which are too low and will not receive enough light when the plant grows out more. I am thinking that I will probably only need to prune a lot on the Peyote cookies, Kabul Express, and OGKZ.

Thanks farmers!!

Phone died while taking some pics tonight but here’s what I got for now. These plants are EXPLODING now and it’s beautiful. The untopped plant (OGKZ) is over 4ft for sure, and most of the others are over 3ft. These are going to be big spherical bushes of colas when they’re done

Hey there fellow ont. grower! Great to see your grow on here! I’m liking it a lot! Freaking well done, your passion for the plant is soooo apparent. I’m glad you’ve been able to nurse your gal back to health. I had the wind knock over a large kush plant a couple of years ago right at the base cuz I didn’t have her supported enough only about 1/3 of the base was still intact so I took some of that heavy clay soil and built it up around the base. I supported it and it survived! Didn’t yield much all small buds but better than dead!!! I manifolded a couple of outdoor gals but when they got larger they split on me ahhhhh! I’m a rookie and make mistakes lol. I see you have your gals well supported good on you man! I since started tying my gals at a 45 degree angle and caged them pulling all my side branches out it’s been working well or at least it did last year. One ? For you is how do you control borers or do you not have them where you are at?

Rooke said:

Hey there fellow ont. grower! Great to see your grow on here! I’m liking it a lot! Freaking well done, your passion for the plant is soooo apparent. I’m glad you’ve been able to nurse your gal back to health. I had the wind knock over a large kush plant a couple of years ago right at the base cuz I didn’t have her supported enough only about 1/3 of the base was still intact so I took some of that heavy clay soil and built it up around the base. I supported it and it survived! Didn’t yield much all small buds but better than dead!!! I manifolded a couple of outdoor gals but when they got larger they split on me ahhhhh! I’m a rookie and make mistakes lol. I see you have your gals well supported good on you man! I since started tying my gals at a 45 degree angle and caged them pulling all my side branches out it’s been working well or at least it did last year. One ? For you is how do you control borers or do you not have them where you are at?

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Thank you man! I truly appreciate the kind words! I am so happy that plant came back to life as well. Was on the verge of cloning it but figured it was more work to do so and I’m trying to avoid any extra work since I’m trying to complete a thesis. Told myself if it dies then whatever I’ve got more plants growing and almost expected it to die but it really didn’t want to. That and your story about supporting your plant really show how resilient these plants are! But yeah you’re right about that, small yield but better alive than dead!!

That’s brutal about the manifolded plants of yours though, were you able to tape it back up and have those survive still or they didn’t live too much longer? But hey you’ve gotta make mistakes if you want to learn. Maybe that last comment isn’t entirely true but sometimes you really do need to fuck up a bit to learn what not to do. The training I did on these plants is something new I tried this year but fuck did they ever turn out beautiful in my own opinion. Just was a little twist on manifolding. As you can see they then turned out to be huge spherical bushes, lots of leaves yet tons of airflow. I’ll probably be doing this technique from now on.

Also I’m lucky to have no issue with borers where I am. If I did I think what I would do is when I dug my holes (in the clay earth) for my new soil I would place a cage, like the ones around my plants right now, on the edge of the clay hole. Maybe a bit heavier of a gauge so nothing would break through.

Glad to hear from another Ontario grower, hope your grow is going well this year homie. If you’ve got a grow diary or some pics I’d love to see! Keep in touch!

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Thank you man! I truly appreciate the kind words! I am so happy that plant came back to life as well. Was on the verge of cloning it but figured it was more work to do so and I’m trying to avoid any extra work since I’m trying to complete a thesis. Told myself if it dies then whatever I’ve got more plants growing and almost expected it to die but it really didn’t want to. That and your story about supporting your plant really show how resilient these plants are! But yeah you’re right about that, small yield but better alive than dead!!

That’s brutal about the manifolded plants of yours though, were you able to tape it back up and have those survive still or they didn’t live too much longer? But hey you’ve gotta make mistakes if you want to learn. Maybe that last comment isn’t entirely true but sometimes you really do need to fuck up a bit to learn what not to do. The training I did on these plants is something new I tried this year but fuck did they ever turn out beautiful in my own opinion. Just was a little twist on manifolding. As you can see they then turned out to be huge spherical bushes, lots of leaves yet tons of airflow. I’ll probably be doing this technique from now on.

Also I’m lucky to have no issue with borers where I am. If I did I think what I would do is when I dug my holes (in the clay earth) for my new soil I would place a cage, like the ones around my plants right now, on the edge of the clay hole. Maybe a bit heavier of a gauge so nothing would break through.

Glad to hear from another Ontario grower, hope your grow is going well this year homie. If you’ve got a grow diary or some pics I’d love to see! Keep in touch!

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Hey there, yes unfortunately I’ve made a few errors along the way but thanks to the farm and folks like you and many others I’ve minimized my errors. Yes I used good old duct tape to repair the split stalks it didn’t totally repair them but it sure helped until I got invaded by bud worm ahhhh! Once again I was trying to minimize my spraying and got caught so I started using end all but they had entered the stems. When they started to flower I switched to flora shield but it was too late to get them under control. So then it was a race to let the buds grow enough yet beat the worms from eating away at them. I did manage to get some smoke outta my efforts! I’ve only been in Ontario for 3 summers now and this has been a tougher endeavour than what I thought it would be. I need all the advice I can get. I have posted pics of my gals on the 2019 outdoor grow and will try and post more pictures as the season continues. Thx in advance for any advice you may share much appreciated!!!! You’re the beast!! Oh ya I don’t want to put my pics on your journal it’s way to pretty

Rooke said:

Hey there, yes unfortunately I’ve made a few errors along the way but thanks to the farm and folks like you and many others I’ve minimized my errors. Yes I used good old duct tape to repair the split stalks it didn’t totally repair them but it sure helped until I got invaded by bud worm ahhhh! Once again I was trying to minimize my spraying and got caught so I started using end all but they had entered the stems. When they started to flower I switched to flora shield but it was too late to get them under control. So then it was a race to let the buds grow enough yet beat the worms from eating away at them. I did manage to get some smoke outta my efforts! I’ve only been in Ontario for 3 summers now and this has been a tougher endeavour than what I thought it would be. I need all the advice I can get. I have posted pics of my gals on the 2019 outdoor grow and will try and post more pictures as the season continues. Thx in advance for any advice you may share much appreciated!!!! You’re the beast!! Oh ya I don’t want to put my pics on your journal it’s way to pretty

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Fuck, sounds like you're having a real pain with some pests! The only issue big issue I have had with pests is mainly bud rot come october. Thats why I am actually trying some fast flowering strains this year. We will see how they turn out! I find there are some strains that don't do so well with the weather we have here. It can be scorching hot, then downpour with rain, back to scorching hot plus humid. Sometimes the weather is just brutal. I did see your plants in that thread and they look great though! They'll turn out great. I like the idea of pinning the plant at a 45 degree angle, less stress on a plant that way.

I started all of mine back in march and did all the topping from the time they were 5 nodes tall until they had 16 main colas. The Kabul express I had topped each branch once more for 32 mains. From there on in its just been a bunch of LST to bush the plant out and create more colas. Hoping that since I have many main stalks and lots of colas I won't see any of that bud rot this year.

Hope I can help you out! (and anyone for that matter)

Hey there! Thanks for the likes on my gals I too had to chop early last year because of bud rot to much rain and humidity. My buds didn’t finish quite the way I was hoping to. I think it was around October 5 ish when I chopped sure would’ve been nice to get a couple more weeks in let’s hope October is warm and dryer than last year. I’m really curious to see how your fast flowering strains turn out for you keep in touch homie!!

Rooke said:

Hey there! Thanks for the likes on my gals I too had to chop early last year because of bud rot to much rain and humidity. My buds didn’t finish quite the way I was hoping to. I think it was around October 5 ish when I chopped sure would’ve been nice to get a couple more weeks in let’s hope October is warm and dryer than last year. I’m really curious to see how your fast flowering strains turn out for you keep in touch homie!!

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I am curious to see the end product of the fast flowering strains as well. But one thing is for sure is the White critical express is definitely in full on flower. Kabul express, AK Kush express are just beginning their flowering. I see the tiniest pubic hairs growing on Kalashnikov express and baikal express. The rest of them are normal photoperiod plants and although they have shown that they are females they definitely haven’t begun to flower yet.

So the fast-flowering strains are doing what they were meant to do!

Here’s some pics from today, the difference in size between the last set of pics and this one is huge! Gave them a feeding (I always have been feeding at about half of the recommended dose of the nutrients I use every other watering). Switched to bloom fertilizer on two of the plants (white critical and AK kush). It’s going to be a hot one today and I’m not expecting much rain where I am for the next few days so I used about 130 gallons of water for all of my plants.

I’ve also done a lot of LST since the last update as well as pruning of inner branches. Getting rid of unproductive bud sites and such. This was mainly a problem with the OGKZ, I took off many branches on the inside not getting much light as well as a lot of branches close to the ground.

the whole gang, OGKZ is in the front:



OGKZ:



AK Kush express:



Baikal express:



AK Kush express (sorry for the mixup in order):


Peyote cookies:



KAbul express:



White widow 47:



White critical express:



Kalashnikov expresss:

Your gals are doing great! I saw your other post re: pruning some leaves. I don’t take anything off of outdoor plants until they die on their own or they are so thick the air circulation is being affected and you see transpiration then it’s time to do a little clean up. I have to be careful with my gals and not leave any wounds down low because boring bugs seem to find a way into the main stem

Rooke said:

Your gals are doing great! I saw your other post re: pruning some leaves. I don’t take anything off of outdoor plants until they die on their own or they are so thick the air circulation is being affected and you see transpiration then it’s time to do a little clean up. I have to be careful with my gals and not leave any wounds down low because boring bugs seem to find a way into the main stem

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Thank you! I find that when these bushes grow there will become a point when some growth tips/branches are shaded out by either other bigger growth or higher growth. Sometimes there is no getting light to these spots no matter the amount of training done to the plant. Yes you can leave these tiny branches there to grow and produce a tiny popcorn bud but whats the point. So as the plant is growing you have to take off growth tips when they are small if you know they won't turn out to be a nice hardy branch. But I NEVER remove the fan leaf which grows under the branch, that just has nutrients for the rest of the plant once the branch growing at it is removed. If you have tiny branches hidden in the darkness, it won't hurt to remove them, in fact it will help all other branches that do get lots of light.

So I think its best to leave as much foliage as possible, while taking into account the overall shape of the plant.

Brutal that you have a lot of issues with a lot of bugs! I feel pretty lucky now hearing that others in ontario have issues with pests, while I just have the odd caterpillar or earwig on a plant once in a while.

They there, ya I’m in a low spot tucked in the brush . The bud worm is my enemy! I have leaf hoppers as well not an ideal spot. I have to conceal my gals from plain sight unfortunately. Maybe next year I’ll be moving out in the open I have to build a fence before that happens but my gals are happy and doing well other than early flowers kinda scares me a bit.