Seedlings abit droopy.

Brettdawg said:

Il feed them tomorrow and then see how they are.. Only top bit of coco is dry tho, when i stick finger in stil abit moist.
So il feed about litre each then wait until feel dry again..

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Coco is not like soil. Idk I'm gonna wait for @Enforcer to reply but I'm pretty sure your not feeding often enough.

I probably shouldn't have even given advice because I'm not a coco grower but every so often I step out of my comfort zone and put my foot in my mouth.

Aqua Man said:

Coco is not like soil. Idk I'm gonna wait for @Enforcer to reply but I'm pretty sure your not feeding often enough.

I probably shouldn't have even given advice because I'm not a coco grower but every so often I step out of my comfort zone and put my foot in my mouth.

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Lol its kool more opinions better mate.

Ow right you got more experience than me I coco then lol..
So you always used calmag ?

If you never has problems before then why change it,
Before when you used cuttings they could handle some feed or calmag , but now from seed maybe not rooted enough and can't handle this cal?
What coco you use mines canna coco it has a e.c of 0.2 it's already been treated and buffed and some shit lol so want need calmag at first anyway I might be wrong on that mind but think I'm right

Brettdawg said:

Lol its kool more opinions better mate.

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Wana see what enforcer says .

Ph 007 said:

Ow right you got more experience than me I coco then lol..
So you always used calmag ?

If you never has problems before then why change it,
Before when you used cuttings they could handle some feed or calmag , but now from seed maybe not rooted enough and can't handle this cal?
What coco you use mines canna coco it has a e.c of 0.2 it's already been treated and buffed and some shit lol so want need calmag at first anyway I might be wrong on that mind but think I'm right

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I used calmag because they was going light green. Probably due to them neending nutrients. I Normally use calmag once a week or so. I've done a grow in coco with no cal mag was fine. But like yaself I read on internet that if using coco you need calmag.
I just find seeds alot more fussy than clones.
My coco as a bit of charge and perlite all mixed in when I bort it .

Shit i smoked a spliff 1-2 hours ago , its taken me good hour to type that well feels like a hour lol.

I use my own cuttings from clone machine they bigger than your plants i went from soil to coco everything the same but I added calmag with the coco u like the soil went through all.sorts 2-3 grows they looks shitty , they would looks better as time went on but never looking amazin , I then stopped calmag so now everything is the same as my soil grows would be and all good now,

I also then wanted a new mother plants I started from seen in coco with calmag was disaster
Then another seed half strength calmag then got little higher in added feed total e.c 0.4. Half of that is calmag it grew slow and shit that then died, looked yellow like your,
Then done new seed no calmag just feed 0.2 and this was my best seed in coco to date, buy ill be trying again soon
I work out out my coco has e.c of 0.2 so something is already In it and my giving calmag was just causing me lock out some reason, it stopped when replacing cal mag with feed.
I now just do seeds In soil as it was easier as I will be trying again soon tho , no cal and very steady on the e.c,,

I'm.gonna make a.cupa now and a cigarette , I could be bothers to go right into detail but iv tried cuttings and seeds cal & now cal with both seeds and cutting and cal was my problem lol

Sorry all.over the place with my typing and half sence talk hard on a Small mobile , kettle is calling good luck keep posting be interested see what happens

Brettdawg said:

Wana see what enforcer says .

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Hey man, sounds like you have some experience with coco. So I’m just going to give you my thoughts and you can decide.

I have tried several different ways of starting plants in coco. I won’t go into all of them now, but I’ve done a few. What I’ve found is that feeding right away gets the best results with a coco/perlite mix. For rooted clones I start at an EC of 1.0. For sprouted seeds I start them at an EC of 0.8. I feed just to runoff 3x a day. However, I think the seeds may like 2x a day better. More to come on that later. This is from day one. Coco is not soil and must be approached differently. It should never dry out. Weight of the pot is irrelevant with coco. It should never dry out. Sorry, that is just very important and needs repeating. I know you said you have been using coco with clones for years just fine, but I bet you’ve had some nutrient tip burn and random deficiencies in late flower and wondered where it came from. It is very important to feed coco at least daily.

Just as an example of what I’m advising. I happen to have 3 Strawberries & Cream from Connoisseur genetics going. I put the germinated seeds directly into 1gal pots of Roots Organic brick coco with 30% perlite on Oct 13th. They got Remo Nutrients veg mix 3x a day once they pushed their first serrated leaves. They are under a 400w MH light. I just took these pictures now.

Enforcer said:

Hey man, sounds like you have some experience with coco. So I’m just going to give you my thoughts and you can decide.

I have tried several different ways of starting plants in coco. I won’t go into all of them now, but I’ve done a few. What I’ve found is that feeding right away gets the best results with a coco/perlite mix. For rooted clones I start at an EC of 1.0. For sprouted seeds I start them at an EC of 0.8. I feed just to runoff 3x a day. However, I think the seeds may like 2x a day better. More to come on that later. This is from day one. Coco is not soil and must be approached differently. It should never dry out. Weight of the pot is irrelevant with coco. It should never dry out. Sorry, that is just very important and needs repeating. I know you said you have been using coco with clones for years just fine, but I bet you’ve had some nutrient tip burn and random deficiencies in late flower and wondered where it came from. It is very important to feed coco at least daily.

Just as an example of what I’m advising. I happen to have 3 Strawberries & Cream from Connoisseur genetics going. I put the germinated seeds directly into 1gal pots of Roots Organic brick coco with 30% perlite on Oct 13th. They got Remo Nutrients veg mix 3x a day once they pushed their first serrated leafs. They are under a 400w MH light. I just took these pictures now. View attachment 905652View attachment 905653

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Thanks bro... Next time I'm gonna go back to just tagging you and not confusing the poor soul. Lol

Aqua Man said:

Thanks bro... Next time I'm gonna go back to just tagging you and not confusing the poor soul. Lol

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Points for trying

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This guy a known grower?
Who adds 340ppm of cal mag?
That's more than double what should be added.

This was not a ppm issue this was a nutrient ratio cluster fuck of epic proportions.

Ph 007 said:

Ow right you got more experience than me I coco then lol..
So you always used calmag ?

If you never has problems before then why change it,
Before when you used cuttings they could handle some feed or calmag , but now from seed maybe not rooted enough and can't handle this cal?
What coco you use mines canna coco it has a e.c of 0.2 it's already been treated and buffed and some shit lol so want need calmag at first anyway I might be wrong on that mind but think I'm right

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Enforcer said:

Hey man, sounds like you have some experience with coco. So I’m just going to give you my thoughts and you can decide.

I have tried several different ways of starting plants in coco. I won’t go into all of them now, but I’ve done a few. What I’ve found is that feeding right away gets the best results with a coco/perlite mix. For rooted clones I start at an EC of 1.0. For sprouted seeds I start them at an EC of 0.8. I feed just to runoff 3x a day. However, I think the seeds may like 2x a day better. More to come on that later. This is from day one. Coco is not soil and must be approached differently. It should never dry out. Weight of the pot is irrelevant with coco. It should never dry out. Sorry, that is just very important and needs repeating. I know you said you have been using coco with clones for years just fine, but I bet you’ve had some nutrient tip burn and random deficiencies in late flower and wondered where it came from. It is very important to feed coco at least daily.

Just as an example of what I’m advising. I happen to have 3 Strawberries & Cream from Connoisseur genetics going. I put the germinated seeds directly into 1gal pots of Roots Organic brick coco with 30% perlite on Oct 13th. They got Remo Nutrients veg mix 3x a day once they pushed their first serrated leaves. They are under a 400w MH light. I just took these pictures now. View attachment 905652View attachment 905653

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I'm going to feed later to run off then see how it goes from there. Cant see them getting better tho if they are overwatered then I feed to run off. Hopefully they do cheers for all the help

Brettdawg said:

I'm going to feed later to run off then see how it goes from there. Cant see them getting better tho if they are overwatered then I feed to run off. Hopefully they do cheers for all the help

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I know i keep saying it lol, but try no calmag and just add very low Feed instead

Also my canna coco says this about watering read the link


But first when I pot my clone.into coco i give a good water till run off and then wait 1-3 days

Brettdawg said:

I'm going to feed later to run off then see how it goes from there. Cant see them getting better tho if they are overwatered then I feed to run off. Hopefully they do cheers for all the help

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Ok then. Best of luck to you. Keep us posted.

Brettdawg said:

Thing is because they am droopy now. In three days time they could stil be droopy stil recovering or could be droopy because they havent been fed that's why when coco looks dry I feed them.

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If you can pick up the pot and see how heavy it is compare a dry pot to a watered pot if ya can ?

Brettdawg said:

I'm going to feed later to run off then see how it goes from there. Cant see them getting better tho if they are overwatered then I feed to run off. Hopefully they do cheers for all the help

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I'm posting so many threads and in to lazy to look back. This is coco right?

Remember coco is not like soil. It's not the water that causes the symptoms you see from overwatering. I grow in pure hydro roots submerged in water all the time. It's not the water that is the issue it's the lack of oxygen at the roots. Pouring freshly oxygenated water into coco is good for the roots and as it drains it pulls in more o2. Then even though it remains wet the roots will slowly deplete the oxygen leaving a wet anaerobic pot (oxygen depleted). How you fix this is to water again.

Coco is hydro.... Not soil.

To add you can also see over watering effects when you have high humidity. The drooping is caused by poor respiration. You see it in under watering because the plant doesn't have enough water to take up so to save the water it has it closes the stomata in the leaves to prevent it from drying out. Which cuts off the CO2 exchange in turn the plant cannot photosynthesis.

With over watering it's the same the plant cannot respire properly but it's because of lack of oxygen in the root zone and that prevents the plants from taking up water and nutrients.

All had litre each last night will take pictures after. Wud run off been better.

Aqua Man said:

To add you can also see over watering effects when you have high humidity. The drooping is caused by poor respiration. You see it in under watering because the plant doesn't have enough water to take up so to save the water it has it closes the stomata in the leaves to prevent it from drying out. Which cuts off the CO2 exchange in turn the plant cannot photosynthesis.

With over watering it's the same the plant cannot respire properly but it's because of lack of oxygen in the root zone and that prevents the plants from taking up water and nutrients.

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Brettdawg said:

All had litre each last night will take pictures after. Wud run off been better.

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I water mine until runoff. I would suggest some run off to prevent accumulation of ferts in the soil.

In coco I would definitely be watering to get runoff but I can't say how much maybe 20%. @Enforcer I feel is the guy to talk to on coco