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Great thread.
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madmike
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Yeah like here is this pill to help with the side effects of that pill. It all means more money for the fat cats. Mean while us pee-ons end up paying for it all. JMO
bobby
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It's strain specific. Don't spend years learning how to do it. Spend weeks finding the right strain from a reputable source.
apbtofr
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Tobacco doesn't give you cancer the shit they add to the cigarettes gives you cancer ie cyanide ,tar etc etc
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happybud
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Finally someone with some old school common sense. I quit telling anyone about the fact that I don't flush. Way too many NEW numb skulls thinking that IT HAS TO BE DONE. Bull Shit not only is it harmful to the plant, it makes absolutely on organic sense, especially if it's done wrong. It can and will ruin a good crop, I've seen it many way too many times for the kids at the grow shop to tell me different.
My families buds been honored by people with names like the GreatfulDead, The Kesey family, High Times clan, Timothy Leary not a single one of them has ever complained about flushing. Why because our shit has been tight for generations AND WE STILL DON'T FLUSH. That said I do know some very experienced growers that would ague just as strongly for it. Gramps used to say: "There is more than one way to grow a healthy plant"
Back to the main topic what makes tight buds. IMHO it's pure and simple "GENETICS" Which usually always comes from experienced breeding. After four decades of breeding, I still hesitate before I call myself a breeder. There are a few families here on the West Coast that have it down to such an art and are so dedicated to this plant that it makes it really hard to compare myself to them.
This is to most of the people that I see at these sites! If you really want to learn to become a really good grower, keep growing and keep learning to make and keep ALL of your plants as healthy as possible. Seek out and find the very best genetics that you can find. Once you find a quality source for genetics seek out and learn from those making them. I don't think that some people these days realize how valuable those last two tid bits really are. For they are the foundations to becoming a real grower.
My two cents
My families buds been honored by people with names like the GreatfulDead, The Kesey family, High Times clan, Timothy Leary not a single one of them has ever complained about flushing. Why because our shit has been tight for generations AND WE STILL DON'T FLUSH. That said I do know some very experienced growers that would ague just as strongly for it. Gramps used to say: "There is more than one way to grow a healthy plant"
Back to the main topic what makes tight buds. IMHO it's pure and simple "GENETICS" Which usually always comes from experienced breeding. After four decades of breeding, I still hesitate before I call myself a breeder. There are a few families here on the West Coast that have it down to such an art and are so dedicated to this plant that it makes it really hard to compare myself to them.
This is to most of the people that I see at these sites! If you really want to learn to become a really good grower, keep growing and keep learning to make and keep ALL of your plants as healthy as possible. Seek out and find the very best genetics that you can find. Once you find a quality source for genetics seek out and learn from those making them. I don't think that some people these days realize how valuable those last two tid bits really are. For they are the foundations to becoming a real grower.
My two cents
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kuz
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Had over 30 strains outdoors last year. The most dense buds came off of the more sativa leaning strains. golden goat and some vietnam black crosses. Sandwich bag 1/3 full makes a zip. The goat is an amazing plant. Mr Dank ever come around here anymore? Pretty sure he created that strain, brought it to Colorado and gave it out freely. And I have heard a couple people claim it as there own. lol. Indoors I think if you get the right genetics, the most important thing is temperature and humidity. Got to have enough light, the more the better, not sure if you can have too much.
starfish
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2. Never flush. Pre-harvest flushing is such a fat dense bud killer it's not even funny. Just in the hopes of getting a better flavored smoking material. Which you won't. It may actually worsen the flavor, density, smokability, and/or potency of the buds. MINIMALLY you will lose harvested/dried weight. You're essentially starving the plant to death. When you should be feeding it what it needs to grow the BIGGEST DENSEST buds at the point in it's life cycle when that's exactly what it wants to do. Yes, I know the article mentions it, but I don't see that as a recommendation. Just how to incorporate the method, if desired. Which you should desire not, trust me. Much foolishness. Mother Nature, the best grower in the universe, doesn't flush her plants, and nor should you. AND IT WILL ACTUALLY INCREASE INTERNODE LENGTH/STRETCH, GUARANTEED!!!
Couldn't agree more with this point. It's a total misnomer thinking that flushing plants weeks out from harvest will do anything but harm
Couldn't agree more with this point. It's a total misnomer thinking that flushing plants weeks out from harvest will do anything but harm
monkeymun
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Density is determined by 2 factors: the plant’s phenotypic traits and environmentally influenced morphological traits, the former being a factor of the plant’s genetic constraints and the latter being how those constraints respond to various environmental cues, i.e. which genes are expressed where and when under what conditions. A plants’s genetic code is it’s ultimate limit of performance but there are many ways you can tweak and push those limits with environment (light, temps, pH, chemicals etc)
Cosativaman
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Some Fully organic mixes as well as some nutrients (SkunkwerksRx) don't require any flushing .... A lot of growers are organic medical growers, slightly different goal then a recreational grower... So I would say take with a grain of salt ... All setups are diff I don't flush when I use SkunkwerksRx and get a perfect end result but when I use fxfm or ghp etc I always do a 14 day flush , but yes flushing does affect the end weight slightly it more affects the left over nutrients in the leaves and stems buds etc but most organic or organic like feeds only let the plant uptake what's needed never anymore i.e.; nutrient burn (not possible w organic or SkunkswerksRx) so Bering no extra nutrition in the bud there's no need to flush .... But the buds should stay rock hard and the amount of weight they lose is almost unmeasurable unless growing thousands of plants.
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akgoldseeker
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so you say mother nature never flushes ??what might you call a rainstorm??id say at least in my neck of the woods mother nature flushes frequently
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waydoisrad
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I know this is super old but dude......you are so correct if no one is in the forest then the forest is not there!
Canadarules777
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can you message me I just have a couple questions if you don’t mind
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Devlin1242
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There's actually controlled tests that prove there is no positive benefits from flushing on any part of what might be desired in your final product. There are also blind studies out there where all participants preferred the unflushed product over the flushed. Here are the documents...
New Research Shows Flushing Plants Before Harvest May Be Unnecessary
In a blind taste test, researchers have found that many prefer cannabis that has not been flushed before harvest.
hightimes.com
I honestly have never flushed in 16 years of growing and my first year i had 375 ladies to take care of as well.
Devlin1242
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It's not likely that the plant blew up because of the leaving falling off or being removed. The difference is in strain, phenotypes of that strain, and the possibility that the plant had nutrient lock and once it started to heal it was able to push everything it had processed during the lockout to the buds producing a quick swell. If your leaves did not fall off you will have the same results if not a larger yield but strain and phenotype still come into play
ChaoticNeal
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Genetics plays the biggest role but u don’t have to have an indica or a indica dom strain to get hard buds some Sativa strains produce hard buds as well and not picking ur buds to early will help with density as well.
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There's actually controlled tests that prove there is no positive benefits from flushing on any part of what might be desired in your final product. There are also blind studies out there where all participants preferred the unflushed product over the flushed. Here are the documents...
New Research Shows Flushing Plants Before Harvest May Be Unnecessary
In a blind taste test, researchers have found that many prefer cannabis that has not been flushed before harvest.
I honestly have never flushed in 16 years of growing and my first year i had 375 ladies to take care of as well.
I've always used plain water the last week or two for over 20 years of growing. For the last 3 crops I experimented with not flushing at the end because of some of this stuff coming out about it, and just tapered the feed way back the last couple weeks instead. I have to say I'm going back to water only at the end. The difference is noticable for me and everyone who has smoked my pot.
Devlin1242
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Seems it just comes down to what you're use to then and depending on the type of grow, medium, and nutrient type and amount being used. Not saying you're methods aren't correct but just showing the proof in the pudding with actual control tests that show results. There's actual dozens of these control tests that have been done around the world with the same or similar results. This one is from AU and the other is obviously high times. I read through dozens, just search it up. Proof is always in the pudding and results. Flushing didn't show any improvement
Dr.B
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I grow to control what goes into my body. I've had cancer 3 times in 23 years. Currently I'm 2/3 of the way through the latest round...
Why not flush? Really?
I don't smoke cigarettes, I eat organic... No aluminum in my deoderant etc. I live healthy ... Maybe those are just the buds this particular strain of human being grows... (Nice and dense) OR! Maybe it was all those dinosaur black market growers in my youth refusing to flush out of a twisted sense of pride, ego... (Greed actually?)
I know... I'm just a new age numb skull...
Why not flush? Really?
I don't smoke cigarettes, I eat organic... No aluminum in my deoderant etc. I live healthy ... Maybe those are just the buds this particular strain of human being grows... (Nice and dense) OR! Maybe it was all those dinosaur black market growers in my youth refusing to flush out of a twisted sense of pride, ego... (Greed actually?)
I know... I'm just a new age numb skull...
Jimster
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The same reason that folks used to keep their plants nearly dead from dehydration... it supposedly makes the buds stronger. Most of it comes from urban legend... when I started growing, nobody ever mentioned flushing, it was unheard of. Years later, someone decided that their buds were better if you flushed the nutrients out of the soil... supposedly it would cleanse the buds, like a herbal cleanse sweetens somebody's bowels. It started off two or three days and has eveolved to 2 weeks in some circles. It's not really based on anything other than someone's idea of how they think plants react to stuff. Stress doesn't equate with potency, it often causes herming. UV light stress might improve potency, but that is a different topic altogether.
Regarding too many leaves... some of today's strains are just freaks and have way too many leaves and are very squat in stature. I agree that you really shouldn't remove many leaves, but in some cases it might be necessary. Just use restraint. Buds need leaves to provide energy to grow, so keep them on where possible. During flowering, I try to remove just the leaves that are blocking bud growth sites/tips that are below them.
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