LittleDabbie
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Yeah well imo there is a bit of BS in there but hey... If it works great. Nothing wrong with the cloner itself. I just laugh at the claims but hey if I was trying to sell something maybe I would try to make it sound like it changes science as we know it too.... Then again prob not.
But gonna leave it there.
Aqua Man
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Bacteria and fungi spores are present no matter what you do. The key is trying to eliminate the exposure level and environmental they favor. Clean tools prevent direct exposure. Sterile water prevents exposure. Using tap water with chlorine/chloramine will help. Changing the water every 3 days with fresh tap will help because these chemicals break down over time and when they react with organics, bacteria, fungi etc. Or you can also add h2o2 every 2-3 days. Just like any sterile hydro system.
DirtyDave1990
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Ok guys I also came across another issue that I think may be a big culprit and I want opinions before I proceed with a change. Been doing more research and I never checked my total alkalinity, now that I have I see that my tap water is crazy high!!! Like 290-310 ppms!! So I just started researching and I have citric acid already I was thinking about adding that to my water for the clones and to my water for my regular feedings to bring both in line back down to like 80-120 ppm... thought? Good bad? Better ideas?
Aqua Man
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Mix your tap 50/50 with RO. Buy some EZ clone res clean or h2o2 and done. Can use citric but its not very stable so check ph daily and may need to adjust.
weedtech
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Has anyone here tried using Willow water to encourage rooting? I came across the method while researching permaculture practices. I'm always looking for ways to take the cash expenses out of my grow without compromising my results. I'm going to give this a go as soon as I can find a suitable source of first year willow branches.
LittleDabbie
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What is that? just asprin?
weedtech
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No asprin. To make willow water: Take first year shoots from actively growing willow. Crush or macerate the shoots in a bucket of water, thoroughly bruising the leaves and stems. Leave in the bucket of water, overnight. Next day, remove the willow leaves and stems, place fresh cuttings in the bucket for an hour or so. Willows have a very high concentration of auxins in growing shoots. This is essentially the same thing as in cloning gels.
Then place in the cloner or glass of water. BTW: I use those tall POM juice jars for the glass o' water method. Tall, narrow and won't be missed if bad things happen.
Aqua Man
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Not tried it I just use promix rooting powder. Willow contains higher than most plants of IBA it's a rooting hormone. Lots of YouTube videos on how to. For $6 I just buy it.
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That was actually the first thing I tried with cloning. I found IBA to be more reliable and effective because there's no way to tell when the right amount of the growth hormones have leeched into the water.
AnimalHouse
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I have off and on. If a local nursery or store like Home Depot carries willow trees I'd go there, snip off a branch. Widdle it down, soak in water and use it. It works as well as something like Olivias or Root Tone but I could'nt say it works better than Clonex.
I have'nt read all the posts but figured I'd offer up what works incredibly well for me and my aero cloner.
I'm sure what I do could be frowned upon since I disregard many things with cloning found in cloning tutorials. Not meant to dis anybody or their technique, this is just what has worked quite well for me and I fully understand there's an art to cloning. What works great for me may not work worth a damn for another.
I'm the that way with trying to clone using soil. I simply fail no matter what using soil but give me a clone machine and I'll make it look like speedy magic
I can get most clones to set roots inside of 10 days and be ready to plant in 15. This works both indoors and outdoors as sometimes I'll run my clone machine out on my deck where it only gets a few hours of morning Sun, the rest of the day is shaded.
I do all my weed clones indoors but outdoors sometimes I'll stick up to six different types of plants in the machine and they all take root, some in a few days and some can take a month but cloning weed always goes quickly
My basic needs list goes as follows:
25-50 watts or so in T5HO light or other good floro plant light 2'-3' above the clone machine. 18 on 6 off
RO water
Kelp4Less Cloning Powder mixed in the water as per directions
No dip or powder since it just washes off anyways
No dome and I dont mist. My ambient RH is usually high 50s to mid 60s
No snipping tips off leaves
No pH testing or adjusting
A pump that runs warm but not hot. I dont want clone soup but a tepid temp, almost luke warm works best for me. Cold water slows things to a crawl and too hot like I said makes a clone soup.
Standard cutting protocols with two snipped nodes below the collar and at least two growing nodes above the collar
Keep everything clean and sterile
about 8 days in the machine
15 days in the machine
DirtyDave1990
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Well I finally got a clone to root. Took about 10-14 cuttings ( not quite sure I ended up losing count. I did the aeroponic machine, putting cuttings in a glass of water and Rockwool cubes with a dome. In the end the Rockwool cube succeeded in getting me one to root. I just put it in a soil pot today. Thanks for all the help everyone!!!! By the way I ended up getting a cutting that was about 3 weeks into flowering to be the one that finally took.
Side note: it’s very important to me to reduce my costs and time between grows which is why I kept trying on this set of plants, I didn’t want to buy more seeds. I had all but given up on the clones and broke down and purchased more seeds. I also looked into using colloidal silver to herm a Plant and produce feminized seeds. I’ll keep clone updates on here for the one that took but I’ll be starting a grow journal for my next grow so look for it if you’re interested in following and providing feedback
Side note: it’s very important to me to reduce my costs and time between grows which is why I kept trying on this set of plants, I didn’t want to buy more seeds. I had all but given up on the clones and broke down and purchased more seeds. I also looked into using colloidal silver to herm a Plant and produce feminized seeds. I’ll keep clone updates on here for the one that took but I’ll be starting a grow journal for my next grow so look for it if you’re interested in following and providing feedback
DirtyDave1990
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Is this normal the day after transplanting a clone? Drooping sad looking leaves?
LittleDabbie
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DirtyDave1990
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so I most likely just did something it didn’t like? Should I take any steps to counter it. I left it in Rockwool cube and placed that into the center which is coco coir. The coco is moist
Aqua Man
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Lower the light intensity quite a bit for 2-3days
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Not sure were u are in the world but i can cut a clone put it in clone box leave pump running 24-7 and still after only a couple of hours cuttings are badly wilted this is after week and multiple roots
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Yeah, it should be able to tolerate the same feeding as her mother.
I use that pro mix with a dome and get roots within 4-5 days every time. I start them in 2 1/2 inch pots sitting on a temperature controlled heating mat at at 79 degrees Fahrenheit. This under a t5 light 12 inches away. Day 6 dome comes off and light is lowered to 6 inches away.
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