Aquaman goes COCO. (Mother hunt)

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Anthem said:
I am seeing a lot of stuff crossed with BX1 out in Cali. Dragon flame is using that one as well. Wonder if we could get some info from Dragon Flame about BX1.
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BX1 just means its the first generation backcross. The breeder took an F1 male and back crossed it with the Parent mother to produce the BX1. Its a way of further stabilizing the line to produce traits similar to the mom..
 
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Dirtbag said:
Male breeding takes a keen eye for traits and a sound knowledge of actual genetic science. But with enough backcrossing and outbred diversity within the genome it is possible to identify males that carry the desirable traits.

The idea of breeders phasing out male breeding and only working with selfed pollen terrifies me honestly. Maybe because I don't know enough about it? Or maybe its because it smells like breeders are just looking for a way to more easily patent plants. The next thing will be patented feminized seeds that grow sterile buds that can't even be pollinated. Just wait..

I've been on a bit of a natural streak lately and this line of thinking doesn't sit well with me.
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Dirtbag I have heard about the female sterile stuff as well. I do not like it as well.
 
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I'm gonna just leave that alone lol.

Yeah that does. I'm gonna start doing some reading today to see what I would be in for. I have a feeling after some education on the subject its not going to be an easy task.
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Thank you for putting the lol on the end. I mean no offense. Genetics is fascinating stuff. And very complex.
 
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Dirtbag said:
BX1 just means its the first generation backcross. The breeder took and F1 male and back crossed it with the Parent mother to produce the BX1. Its a way of further stabilizing the line to produce traits similar to the mom..
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Dirtbag can you help me understand this based on the BX1 info.
What do you make of this label, Zkittlez Kush = Zkittlez Cake x TK BX1?
 
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amekins said:
Thank you for putting the lol on the end. I mean no offense. Genetics is fascinating stuff. And very complex.
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Oh hell no offense will ever be taken here. I grew up around rig and pipeline workers and worked in the railway for many yrs. There is not much that offends me but I do have enough disturbing humor saved up from them that may offend others so hence the... I will just leave that alone lol.
 
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Hey @Dirtbag what was that book you got? I'm thinking its a good time to get some education on this subject and stop playing ostrich.
 
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Anthem said:
Dirtbag can you help me understand this based on the BX1 info.
What do you make of this label, Zkittlez Kush = Zkittlez Cake x TK BX1?
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In this case the Triangle kush used for the cross is a BX1, meaning someone crossed a triangle kush male and female, then used a male F1 offspring to backcross with The TK mom to produce a TK BX1.

Then someone crossed that with Zkittlez cake to make Zkittles kush.
 
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Grownsince95 said:
But then again I heard a very reputable OR breeder argue that male pollen is "useless" because its just a "mystery" really as to the traits it carries. He claimed that crossing selfed fems is the future and I'm not qualified enough to agree or disagree with that, but it sounds like a good argument.
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That breeder doesn't understand how to identify traits. So, I have a male with tremendous structure, this is why I selected it. The goal is to take some plants that are stretchier and try to introduce better structure. If I make seeds from the male, but never run the seeds from it, then yes, it is a useless male.

But if I plant those seeds and find a phenotype with the same structure, but terpenes from the mother, I can then continue to work that line knowing what the male can bring. This is why breeding works best when you can run numbers but also when you know one of the plants really well. Typically, I've been more familiar with the female and I like working that way. Anything Jack with a strong lemon smell typically passes that trait on. It's about dominant and recessive traits and how they combine. Same process of how they reduced flowering times in a lot of plants.
 
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Dirtbag said:
In this case the Triangle kush used for the cross is a BX1, meaning someone crossed a triangle kush male and female, then used a male F1 offspring to backcross with The TK mom to produce a TK BX1.

Then someone crossed that with Zkittlez cake to make Zkittles kush.
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Does it have to me a male back crossed to the mom? Or can you have a female/dad combo?
 
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Dirtbag said:
BX1 just means its the first generation backcross. The breeder took and F1 male and back crossed it with the Parent mother to produce the BX1. Its a way of further stabilizing the line to produce traits similar to the mom..
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Dirtbag said:
In this case the Triangle kush used for the cross is a BX1, meaning someone crossed a triangle kush male and female, then used a male F1 offspring to backcross with The TK mom to produce a TK BX1.

Then someone crossed that with Zkittlez cake to make Zkittles kush.
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I better figure out how to understand the genetics better. My dumb ass thought BX was part of the strain. And Thank You @Dirtbag. I just need to get my hands on some of the lake water now!!!!!
 
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That breeder doesn't understand how to identify traits. So, I have a male with tremendous structure, this is why I selected it. The goal is to take some plants that are stretchier and try to introduce better structure. If I make seeds from the male, but never run the seeds from it, then yes, it is a useless male.

But if I plant those seeds and find a phenotype with the same structure, but terpenes from the mother, I can then continue to work that line knowing what the male can bring. This is why breeding works best when you can run numbers but also when you know one of the plants really well. Typically, I've been more familiar with the female and I like working that way. Anything Jack with a strong lemon smell typically passes that trait on. It's about dominant and recessive traits and how they combine. Same process of how they reduced flowering times in a lot of plants.
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Aqua Man said:
Bx1 means its been backcrossed with one of the parents to help reestablish dominance of desired traits once
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That breeder doesn't understand how to identify traits. So, I have a male with tremendous structure, this is why I selected it. The goal is to take some plants that are stretchier and try to introduce better structure. If I make seeds from the male, but never run the seeds from it, then yes, it is a useless male.

But if I plant those seeds and find a phenotype with the same structure, but terpenes from the mother, I can then continue to work that line knowing what the male can bring. This is why breeding works best when you can run numbers but also when you know one of the plants really well. Typically, I've been more familiar with the female and I like working that way. Anything Jack with a strong lemon smell typically passes that trait on. It's about dominant and recessive traits and how they combine. Same process of how they reduced flowering times in a lot of plants.
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always appreciate the input dude! This breeding stuff is very extensive but insanely interesting. I love growing but almost more interested in cannabis breeding 😩😂😂
 
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So much knowledge here in this thread. @Aqua Man, @Dirtbag and many more here. Sorry too stoned to list any more lol.
But damn @BurnzYzBudZz your a sponge for knowledge bro, only a couple of grows in and your hammering it. 👍
Aquaman bro, I have a very good feeling maybe not this grow.. But your next coco grow (because your going to nail and love this grow bro, especially if you get that auto feed dialed in 👍✌
Back to @Dirtbag shit bro, you have forgot more than I have ever learned in this the field. Soo many great contributers and a massive credit to this forum.
Appreciate all here and will continue reading some of the great threads
5 days off work now. Have a great evening all.
 
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Dirtbag said:
The next thing will be patented feminized seeds that grow sterile buds that can't even be pollinated. Just wait..
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Thats a real thing. Breeder Steve is working in another country on that exact sort of plant. I believe it is a triploid that they have mapped some of the genetic markers for (they have $$$$$ to spend on R & D) and they have found it doesn't produce pistils, which makes it sterile and any outdoors growers dream, whether it be Cannabis or Hemp.

I've always had that conspiracy side of me that said Fems are a way to prevent people from making their own. I also think all the Selfing going on now is because of people not understanding breeding or having the time for it. They want money money money and selfing a plant is about as basic as you can get. I see why someone would do this, no shame there but I hardly consider it breeding.
 
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