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beluga said:

This was my Saturday night.
I pretty much always make tea. Did the same thing as I usually do, but, because of that inconsistency... must have gotten a wildcard handful.
I took them, told my wife, started to clean up the kitchen (I always clean my house on the come-up ) and, I kid you not, five minutes after ingestion I was standing there stunned with the warm faucet water trickling over my hands while I starting dazing out at our geometric rug below my feet.
She's like, "you alright there, little buddy?"
I just looked over at her with that stupefied ear-to-ear grin.
She's like, "damn! Alright, lets turn the lights down..."

Could have been something we had for dinner. Maybe the specific wine... I dunno. There are a lot of MAOI's and the like in everyday foods and especially spices.

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Milson said:

That sounds wild. Is it uncomfortable for you?

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beluga said:

Briefly, in that transition of perception. Not really much more than going from sober to stoned a lot of the time. In fact, the wrong variety of cannabis is way the fuck worse for me.
But, bodily, I take lemon oil with them all the time now, so the anxiety/queasiness doesn't impact me so much. Making tea also minimizes that.
Reduces the experience to ~3 hours... which, honestly, I like a lot because I have so much on my plate usually. It's nice to only be dysfunctional for an hour or so and the height of the experience feels so much longer anyway. Time warp stuff. Then there's some "afterglow" that persists into my slumber... really nice. I get to function with all my (heightened) faculties for a while and either go look at stars, pet the cats, have a fire, keep cleaning... pretty much whatever.

That afterglow is where you all get to see my dumb flowery writing. Words just flooooow!

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Milson said:

I really only ever macro dosed a few times and would treat it like acid. I was more anxious then than I am now, so i would prepare by writing down everything i was worried about or that i thought of as an outstanding problem i needed to come back to. Pages of this shit. Once i was spent, i could give myself more permission to let go.

Never had a super bad trip so I guess it worked, but the idea of getting to that level of inebriation/unknown without a brain backup just in case still fills me with residual anxiety lol. You are waaaaaaaay more experienced than me of course. Just an interesting perspective.

(In retrospect, alcohol was the one that really made me time travel and lose track of hours of my life in a scary way, but that was legal.......)

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Aqua Man said:

I'm such a noob and irresponsible mushroom guy... been many yrs but my favorite was BC blue caps... yep thats as scientific as I get with these... I open and inserted 2-3grams and yeah bit of gut rot but nice trip. Once took a stray dog for a long walk like 6 hrs. We stopped at 7/11 for hotdogs, not for me I can eat on that shit.

Any idea what the scientific name would be on those? Something I could try in the future maybe.

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beluga said:

That's a great technique. Similar to purging like I was talking about earlier. I've never personally done it. I'll usually just let come what is to come. For me, it has to be spontaneous. I can't have time to hype myself up or ruminate or reminisce.
I've had terribly dissociative trips that persisted far beyond the acute chemical effect of the substance (RC hallucinogens like 2C-B), so it really took me a long time to ever feel comfortable doing them again and it was relatively reckless for me to even tempt it.
But it actually ended up being the nail in the coffin for the persisting dissociative effects that I was plagued with... a heavy trip on mushrooms. I almost feel now like I'm immune to that... like the tethers of my consciousness and ego are completely fluid but always able to find their way home.

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Milson said:

I really only ever macro dosed a few times and would treat it like acid. I was more anxious then than I am now, so i would prepare by writing down everything i was worried about or that i thought of as an outstanding problem i needed to come back to. Pages of this shit. Once i was spent, i could give myself more permission to let go.

Never had a super bad trip so I guess it worked, but the idea of getting to that level of inebriation/unknown without a brain backup just in case still fills me with residual anxiety lol. You are waaaaaaaay more experienced than me of course. Just an interesting perspective.

(In retrospect, alcohol was the one that really made me time travel and lose track of hours of my life in a scary way, but that was legal.......)

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Milson said:

Seriously dude, just the first like ten pages of capitalism and Schizophrenia. The book is anti-oedipus. I will dm you photos of the pages if you want, though it's easy to find.

That is so ridiculously interesting to contemplate but....

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Dirtbag said:

Its hard to have a discussion about mushrokms without refrencing Terrence a lot, but anyway he called this the examination of conscience. You basically think about all the ways you need to change for the better and examine your personal faults during the lead up to the high. So that when it kicks in, youve already gotten that stuff out of the way and can move past it.

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Milson said:

Gilles Deleuze (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

For anyone morbidly curious, here is a discussion in super big philosophical terms. In essence, it discussed how what beluga was describing in terms of coming back home as....the Real. Kinda. Imo.

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Dirtbag said:

Its hard to have a discussion about mushrooms without refrencing Terrence a lot, but anyway he called this the examination of conscience. You basically think about all the ways you need to change for the better and examine your personal faults during the lead up to the high. So that when it kicks in, youve already gotten that stuff out of the way and can move past it.

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beluga said:

I'm not one to knock him because he revolutionized its popularity and has techniques that work for so many people.
But, over the years, I've really gotten the false-prophet feel from him... I dunno. All the elf shit and entity talk... Again... not one to knock anyone's experience. I just it see as... anyone who claims to be a guide for you and your experience on psychedelics is a charlatan trying to imitate and interpret what only the substance can teach and guide someone about.
It's all you and the substance once you're together. Shamans, spirit guides, psychologists.... eh... not for this type of human experience.

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Milson said:

Btw, i have only read like forty pages of this book and claim to understand almost none of it. But it has already given me a lot.

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Dirtbag said:

Its hard to have a discussion about mushrooms without refrencing Terrence a lot, but anyway he called this the examination of conscience. You basically think about all the ways you need to change for the better and examine your personal faults during the lead up to the high. So that when it kicks in, youve already gotten that stuff out of the way and can move past it.

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beluga said:

I've come to believe psychoanalysts get off on that.
I'm at constant odds between my taoist's effortless action and my neurotic's insatiable analytics.
I think that's why I'm drawn so heavily to hallucinogens - cannabis included.
They have a way of allowing you analyze without conscious effort.
Framework becomes more easily recognizable as intrinsic nature.

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Milson said:

Yeah man. D&G say as much. Like they no bullshit basically say, imo "people who take drugs get it, you jerks' to psychoanalysts. But they are serious.

The text is really slow going because they reject concept for metaphor so that while the book doesn't make sense, it doesn't not make sense either....unlike books that try to be about things beyond sensory experience and pretend like they are truth.

It's a cool thought experiment. But i think my fav thing about it is they intend it more like an album than a whole book. So again, it's coherent to them.....and they have left a lot of places to get lost in.....it's rich. But if you want to call it nonsense, they will just laugh and shrug.

That's the most serious a person can reasonably be.

(Says a guy who studied poetry for part of his education)

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beluga said:

Yeah, I was a dummy and bailed on academia in high school. Best believe I raided that Bio wing before I left, though.
So, if I ever sound like I'm just rephrasing something that's kind of common knowledge, it's because I never really took the time to learn it. Maybe even rejected it for a while there. Now that I'm older though, I find myself catching up on some of those commonly known things.
It's nice having communities like these to expose myself to a lot of those - thanks, folks.

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