How often can I feed molasses?

ezenzyme said:

the dead bacteria get eaten by the higher ups on the food chain correct? Like nematodeas and protozoa?

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Or lower downs too I would assume. Dead bacteria become food for plants and the next thing that eats it.

great information in this thread. i'm learning a lot

Thanks for the great info on this thread, plus the research sources. I might need to rethink my molasses strategy - damn. I was sure that plus worm juice was giving me massive veges for years .

Whilst all the people in the know are around, what does worm juice do to the microbes in the soil - immediately and over time. I thought it acted a bit like a probiotic for the soil?

mashy said:

Thanks for the great info on this thread, plus the research sources. I might need to rethink my molasses strategy - damn. I was sure that plus worm juice was giving me massive veges for years .

Whilst all the people in the know are around, what does worm juice do to the microbes in the soil - immediately and over time. I thought it acted a bit like a probiotic for the soil?

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make your own judgement. Here is a professor at WSU horticulture myths pages.

MIMedGrower said:

make your own judgement. Here is a professor at WSU horticulture myths pages.

Linda Chalker-Scott | Washington State University

Horticultural Myths Looking for the newest myth-information? Check out our blog The Garden Professors. You’ll find science-based information from four horticultural professors from around the country. Fertilizers The Myth of Beneficial Bone Meal (pdf) The Myth of Vitamin Shots (pdf) The Myth of...

puyallup.wsu.edu

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Thanks, that link has gone straight to the favourites. But also, crikey! That's a lot of gardening myths.

mashy said:

Thanks, that link has gone straight to the favourites. But also, crikey! That's a lot of gardening myths.

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Yeah thats the main page.

I got schooled up pretty good last time there was a thread about terps and sugars effect on the smell and yield. But...Well...We all know about bacteria but wheres the science on molasses actually providing food stock for bacteria and then the subsequent die off feeding what and how? Right? When one microbe consumes something it converts and changes it. When bacteria function in the soils they are all different and you will be breeding forward some bacteria and not others, probably effecting your entire microbiome, the fungi, bacteria, and yeasts.....thoughts....

why would you want to do something that may not be needed? and then why want to do it excess? whats the end goal? seems meaningless without theory being put in practice...

MIMedGrower said:

make your own judgement. Here is a professor at WSU horticulture myths pages.

Linda Chalker-Scott | Washington State University

Horticultural Myths Looking for the newest myth-information? Check out our blog The Garden Professors. You’ll find science-based information from four horticultural professors from around the country. Fertilizers The Myth of Beneficial Bone Meal (pdf) The Myth of Vitamin Shots (pdf) The Myth of...

puyallup.wsu.edu

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I would take her "myths" with a grain of salt though. I've read her take on gypsum and would characterize her in the same class as that other Pacific Northwestern microbe lady. I wonder how many people failed by following THEIR advice.
This lady has made a name for herself with these "myths" and Ill leave it at that.

Homesteader said:

I would take her "myths" with a grain of salt though. I've read her take on gypsum and would characterize her in the same class as that other Pacific Northwestern microbe lady. I wonder how many people failed by following THEIR advice.

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dont know who the microbe lady is and a phd sure doesnt mean automatically smart or correct. And the info on the myths page all relates to outdoor crops not container gardening. But i have found most of her info to be pretty well supported and much of the horticulture industry technique and product to be complete bunk.

She would tend to piss off “organic” growers for sure. But be careful of well known opinion vs facts is my warning.


now where is my bud sweetener?!?!? Oh there it is right next to my cal mag. :-)

Perhaps someday we can break down some her myths and I can show you how the information is being manipulated at least in terms of gypsum.
The microbe lady is the one that has the cult obsession especially in the cannabis industry. They are both PHDs but I doubt they have farmed a day in their life.
I just don't like misinformation from anyone but I find it worse when its wicked smaht academia types who profit off of it.

MIMedGrower said:

dont know who the microbe lady is and a phd sure doesnt mean automatically smart or correct. And the info on the myths page all relates to outdoor crops not container gardening. But i have found most of her info to be pretty well supported and much of the horticulture industry technique and product to be complete bunk.

She would tend to piss off “organic” growers for sure. But be careful of well known opinion vs facts is my warning.


now where is my bud sweetener?!?!? Oh there it is right next to my cal mag. :-)

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Have you tried the crunch berries?

Homesteader said:

Have you tried the crunch berries?

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Only from capt. Crunch.

Whats the best fert to get a good crop asap? I have biobizz but i need a non organic no need to sit around and wait deal. I was thinking earth juice. Any thoughts gents

Homesteader said:

I would take her "myths" with a grain of salt though. I've read her take on gypsum and would characterize her in the same class as that other Pacific Northwestern microbe lady. I wonder how many people failed by following THEIR advice.
This lady has made a name for herself with these "myths" and Ill leave it at that.

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yea she does a bit of nitpicking and her info seems really geared toward the outdoors and peoples ornamental gardens. its nice to see a different perspective but i disagree with some of it and i wish she would link the scientific studies she gets her information on so I can review them for myself... seems very, unacademic.... to make some of the statements she does and not provide the studies to back them up after calling others who arent in academics for having a pseudo understanding..

would also be nice if she stuck to just indoors or outdoor horticulture in particular as well as she tends to frequently bring up outdoor condititions and situations in her mythbusting, conditions which wouldnt really happen indoor or on the small scale home garden or would be controlled. her info seems to really be geared towards outdoor trees and shrubs not necessarily indoor style growing or "weeds" which have a diff set of parameters. i was kinda taken back by her compost tea bit myself and then another bit where she spoke of using pine bark in soil for some reason... idk about you guys but... nothing grows underneath my pines, so i was kinda shocked shed use pine bark as an example for additions to growing mediums.
all in all tho it wasnt bad, just take it with a big grain of salt, as she makes alot of claims mythbusting without showing the study links and it doesnt seem like indoor cultivars are her line of work persay.

Flexnerb said:

Whats the best fert to get a good crop asap? I have biobizz but i need a non organic no need to sit around and wait deal. I was thinking earth juice. Any thoughts gents

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if you want natural and plant soluble pure blend pro is the stuff. But i got even faster growth from a fresh bale of pro mix hp with myco and dyna grow foliage pro and protekt.


but environment and proper wet dry cycle are really the key.

PiffinOut said:

yea she does a bit of nitpicking and her info seems really geared toward the outdoors and peoples ornamental gardens. its nice to see a different perspective but i disagree with some of it and i wish she would link the scientific studies she gets her information on so I can review them for myself... seems very, unacademic.... to make some of the statements she does and not provide the studies to back them up after calling others who arent in academics for having a pseudo understanding..

would also be nice if she stuck to just indoors or outdoor horticulture as well. her info seems to really be geared towards outdoor trees and shrubs and not really "weeds".
all in all tho it wasnt bad, just take it with a big grain of salt, as she makes alot of claims mythbusting withouth showing the study linkas and it doesnt seem like indoor cultivars are her line of work persay.

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Wonder if a petition to have her phd removed might help. If she has one not saying she does

MIMedGrower said:

if you want natural and plant soluble pure blend pro is the stuff. But i got even faster growth from a fresh bale of pro mix hp with myco and dyna grow foliage pro and protekt.


but environment and proper wet dry cycle are really the key.

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In my enviros it'd be my humidity being issue number one. I have an ultrasonic mister(a good one too) but my room will not get above 45% its a bitch. I put a fille 32 gallon trash can run the fucker for a week and it does nothing but 45%. Lol

My air exchange is ok to good.

Flexnerb said:

In my enviros it'd be my humidity being issue number one. I have an ultrasonic mister(a good one too) but my room will not get above 45% its a bitch. I put a fille 32 gallon trash can run the fucker for a week and it does nothing but 45%. Lol

My air exchange is ok to good.

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i have never seen any growth issues at 45% rh. Even 35% is mostly in my head.

I am actually a big fan of wood bark and leaf mold in my soil mixes. Not everything she says is wrong just much is out of context.

Your talking about Elaine Engrim right? I follow Tim wilsons stuff and he has slides and all the info with vids on youtube backing it up. But just because you can bloom billions of bacteria what happens then?
The Fox Farms trio is pretty good although rather expensive, but easy to use... for Veg you cant go wrong with some Maxicrop or Jacks and thats super cheap in comparison to any liquid you will get.