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I agree.
OK man, first I just gotta say I love the way you log your grows. The detail is really great.
Lots to reply to there but I'll just compare this to golf, I'm sure you've heard of it. Little white ball... you whack it...
You are playing PAR golf (yes that was a pun) You have mastered the RDWC system and setpoints, and are being successful. You are outgrowing I dunno 80% of the people trying this. The only thing you lack now is experience. But follow your gut, it's gotten you this far.
Yes, she is so wide. This genetic is very interesting. Yours and Max's are very different. We'll see what I get.
What is your RH, and do you have a historical chart you can show. If not, I'll hook you up with the hardware to do it. My concern for you is the lights out RH. Within a few minutes of lights out you will get an RH spike which is expected. Especially in a heavily respiring RDWC. Question is what happens to RH as lights cool off? If you are not able to get the RH back down to the <55% range after the spike, like within an hour or so, you are inviting mold and we need to address it. Bud rot, PM, all that shit can suck a dick.
About pulling any more vegetation, you follow your gut and find your happy style of growing, as long as your RH is good. If it is too high, my first advice is gonna be snip that shit, you know it's coming lol.
Why did your PPM not drop but water had left the res, presumably via respiration. Really think about it. That would imply the plant has a filter that says no thanks, I'm good on salts, I just want the water. If they can do that, how can we overfeed them? No I think there is a drop in the salts you added but something else has taken it's place. Exudates is the term you want to google. Your plants are talking to the rhizosphere. That's what I think happened in your case, but I don't actually know.
Root Exudates and Soilless Culture
In the early days of hydroponics there was concern that the organic matter, dead root cells and compounds released by roots would accumulate in the limited root zone and nutrient solution to the point where it promoted disease and retarded growth.It was quickly proven that this isn’t the case, and we have come to understand in more detail how the dynamics of a restricted root zone works. Methods designed to disinfect and remove organic compounds or frequent nutrient solution changes were sometimes used to control the buildup of these exudates, but studies have shown this is not necessarily beneficial.
When microbial populations are permitted to develop in healthy hydroponic systems, they break down and metabolize carbon compounds in the root zone or nutrient solution, so this sort of buildup doesn’t occur when all is working well.
Plant roots develop and react in hydroponic systems similar to soil-based systems. Diverse and beneficial microbe species are found in a wide range of different soilless systems, and certain exudates released by roots are used by the plant to attract and select certain micro-organisms in the rhizopshere.
These microbes can then work, via different mechanisms, to influence plant health and growth. For example, root exudates act as signals that encourage and initiate a relationship with rhizobia and mycorrhizal fungi as well as rhizo-bacteria.
When plant roots sense an attack by pathogenic microbes, this triggers the release of certain exudates called phytoalexins or defence proteins and other unknown compounds in a process of underground chemical warfare
So are your salts being taken into the plant? Are they being taken up in the same proportion that you are adding them? So many freaking variables man. Without measurements via sap, you will never actually know, so you gotta follow your gut. I guess this is where the horticultural talent thing comes in. If you get too far out of whack change out the res. FWIW I have yet to drain the res in my current grow and I'm further along than you. I do not follow the recipe any more. I'm playing with things and measuring brix to see what I can teach myself.
I agree you are doing great and should follow your gut. If you follow the recipe you will continue to shoot par. Or maybe you are feeling like you want to try for a birdie? Trust yourself, and back off fast if you make a mistake. You got this.
Again, you do you and find your grow style. Going back to the golf analogy, lots of players shoot better than par every day. Pros have bad days too. If you want to try without committing to adding it to the res, apply it foliar on just part of the plant. It's just P&K, which you are already giving them tons of thru the roots. Maybe. Sometimes. When the PPM goes down? lol. Just understand that adding this on top of the recipe is no longer following the recipe. Birdie or bogie if you add this bottle?One last question- I know I shouldn't think about additives yet...but since things are going well, I do have a product called Flower Stacker by Humboldts Secret nutrients line, which I have used with soil and liked it very much.
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I've always used it as directed starting in week 3 of flower till the end at the suggested rates per gallon. Do I dare incorporate this into the res? Now would be the time to do it if I were to go down that road. Thanks!
Yeah - it's a puzzle man. The fun is trying to figure stuff like this out by puttering with this or that. You know you can get back to this stable state you are in, hydro responds quick, and you have your hand on the throttle. What fun would it be not to use it!
