Roots Excel

couple more of my lady, tryin for an artistic shot:)

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yah know RIU is probably the worst website for growing info, but every once in awhile it pops off with somethin fun:)

some other photos (these arn't of my lady, but damn, sure brought a smile to my face:))

Well damn..

BioMaster, I owe you a big apology...... Roots excel appears to be sterile just like you said.

God Damn house and garden.. fucking giving people bullshit info, and fuck me for spreading the misinfo.. Im really fucking annoyed with that company right now.
Everyone check this thread>>>>>>>>

Ohhh! I got your stance switched with BM's. Much respect to you for facing it, bringing it back to the forefront really, and for behaving like most people don't (i.e. being able to say you were incorrect).

Thanks sea :), im just sorry for spreading misinfo around the farm... and also sorry for being a prick to the biomaster...

He tried to tell us way back when, and I was just spreading the H & G bullshit everywhere.

sorry everyone... :(

Again big thanks Sea, DS and Biomaster:bow


there are mulitple threads about RE .. I posted this in another thread on RE, but im going to post it here as well.. ill try and get all the RE thread links and post in one place..

MediMary said:

I was just conveying what H & G had told me(both H & G here and over in europe). Multiple people told me it contained benies...

TheBioMaster was the guy saying that it didn't contain any benies...

After biomaster stated that, I hit up Rob at H & G and he continued to tell me there was benies in there..


MY email to him...
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hey brother quick question,

I was on a forum this morning,

There was a conversation that went something like this....


"I understand the difference between bacteria and hormonal, Roots excel is a beneficial bacteria (at least from my understanding)
Its advertised as a beneficial too. Call H & G and talk to rob if you are unsure."

The person responded

"I did, I got the info from Rob. They are not allowed to import H&G's bacteria product (bacto force is what it is called) into the USA which is why they recomend using great white......so you can call and ask if you would like, but I already have."





So who is correct? Is roots excel a beneficial bacteria product or a hormonal product, also why do you guys recommend great white if roots excelurator is a beneficial bacteria??


Thanks brother, just trying to make sure folks are using your products properly and understand the nuances that come along with them, I wasnt sure if this guy was full it, or had actually talked to you.

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robs response back.
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Sorry for the delay getting back with you! Super busy last week and just got home.

I think "Not Allowed" is mighty strong words. Maybe I said that but I'm not sure, let me better explain.

It would take a lot of research in the states before we would be able to import the Bacto Force. That does not mean that we can't import bacterias. Look at the variety of Bacillus bacterias that we would have to deal with importing. It is much easier to just use the beneficial bacteria here in the states. We are working on getting more important H&G products here that are NOT available. The most benefit from importing Bacto Force would be to sell are own products instead of another companies. Also because it has bacteria doesn't mean it can't have natural hormones. That's like saying seaweed extracts are hormone based only when there are many beneficial Macro, Micro, Vitamins and Auxins (natural hormones) which are very beneficial to the plant.

I feel that I should quite discussing the product due to "We Can Not Advertise" what ingredients are not on the bottle. Anybody that's works for the company should keep talk like bacterias to ourselves including me.
Remember! Big Mike told everyone it was "Hormone Based". Bottom line is the recipe is a Van De Zwann family secret and no one knows whats in it. Everyone tries to reverse engineer Roots Excel but the products just don't work the same. I know it has humic acids in it due to that's how he hides the recipe.

I did have one guy say he watched it come to life under a microscope. This older gentlemen was amazed and he felt that whatever it was was in dormancy till it hit the water.

Hope all is well and things are going smoothly, Rob

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My response back...
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Thanks Rob, I understand its a bit of a tricky situation when you have folks telling others misinformation about H & G, which is read by thousands of people.

Obviously both of us want to correct them, but due to the labeling issues its a very tricky situation to a definitive statement about the product due to labeling issues, thats a tough situation for sure.

Thanks for helping me out with the clarification, due to the content of your email, its probably better if I don't post the info online as I wouldn't want to cause you any problems. But I would like folks to use your products properly when paying for them and that was the intention of my email.


best wishes my friend..
thanks for everything

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Robs response back, he asked me not to post this... but at this point I don't give a fuck... H & G needs to get their shit straight....
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Don't post this but I had RE put under Beneficial Biologics microscope. The Beneficial Biologics company had to complement our scientist on the LIFE that was in RE. I saw it come to life with my own eyes, case solved.

Peace, Rob
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No harm no foul MediMary.....we are all here to help and learn...:)

We did extensive test with several different rooting products. The 2 that worked the best at the time of testing was RE by H&G and Rhizotonic by Canna.

If memory is correct it was the Hormone NAA that produces the results in RE and I am pretty sure if you tested Rhizotonic you would find it there also.

That girl is ah fine piece of work:) and i like her alot.

Why even bother with the 1 inoculation? My RE (1/2 gallon) never leaves the shelf.

That is a very nice bong

Edit: Oops i mean "Water pipe"

I know that I'm getting in this late but I wanted to say that I'm not using roots excel in my system anymore after today. RE works very well but it just makes a mess in my UC and I've cleaned it up for the last time. Its building up on the roots making them a nasty brown color, they look muddy. I added RE to a fresh water change at the dosage listed on the bottle for some 3 week old veg plants. The water was brown at first but then it started bubbling out and getting stuck on the upper part of my buckets then the water cleared up. Today I did a water change today and lifted up each plant, roots were disgusting although the plants are growing like crazy. I sprayed them off with fresh water and vacummed out the system to get rid of the mud colored water. Roots look normal again, I've dealt with pythium and these plants don't have it. Like I said they look very healthy and are growing fast. Anyone else noticed this? Did I put in too much?

I'm not 4sho on this but I think it says don't use a airstone with roots XL..

I'm 4sho on this tho those r some nice chicks in the pics

Does anyone soak their rockwool cubes in roots excellurator?

I soaked my trash can with a 1/2 gallon of it once. =)

i use RE in every feeding in a tray under a t5 to keep the root zone healthy as possible. used RE, DM , Calmag and had great pre veg results, nothin but pearly whites matted up under the 4x4's

So RE just IAA hormone? They claim it 'creates a membrane around roots,' maybe its just an example in marketing that we could all learn from :)