Ace Seeds Input Please

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I need some feedback on the good bad n ugly about these cats. There catalog has me drooling and anyone that knows if these dudes are legit and if the genetics are stable would love to hear about it. Either PM me or post in the OP. I appreciate your input.
 
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I need some feedback on the good bad n ugly about these cats. There catalog has me drooling and anyone that knows if these dudes are legit and if the genetics are stable would love to hear about it. Either PM me or post in the OP. I appreciate your input.
No personal experience, but landrace genetics are something I am really interested in and I have heard nothing but good things about ACE, they seem to be the top seed source for that type of thing. Been a while, but I believe they have a vendor forum on that other growing enthusiast website and lots of folks were happy and growing great african strains.
 
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No personal experience, but landrace genetics are something I am really interested in and I have heard nothing but good things about ACE, they seem to be the top seed source for that type of thing. Been a while, but I believe they have a vendor forum on that other growing enthusiast website and lots of folks were happy and growing great african strains.
Nice, I appreciate you takin the time. If there beans grow like I know those strains can, then have have some good gear. I love Sativa's
 
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Nice, I appreciate you takin the time. If there beans grow like I know those strains can, then have have some good gear. I love Sativa's
The zamaldica or however that crazy spelling goes is supposed to be amazing if you like the trippy sativas.
 
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I need some feedback on the good bad n ugly about these cats. There catalog has me drooling and anyone that knows if these dudes are legit and if the genetics are stable would love to hear about it. Either PM me or post in the OP. I appreciate your input.
I can tell you that I ran the Malawi (13 weeks) and it was swag. Also a close buddy of mine ran 5 females which were all swag. The description was so ridiculous I STILL didn't believe it could suck so when I saw it at a dispensary I tried it again... Still sucked. I mean bad!! After Ace said it was probably the strongest sativa on the market.
 
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When Ace and Cannabiogen were more closely related I copped Panama and Destroyer, both are phenomenal! Both very different in terms of expression, and both hit different notes of the sativa high.

Ace uses the same Meao Thai genetic stock that cannabiogen uses, so if you like way out there psychedelic sativas and don't mind waiting 14 weeks for them to develop, check out destroyer or other crosses with the Thai.
 
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When Ace and Cannabiogen were more closely related I copped Panama and Destroyer, both are phenomenal! Both very different in terms of expression, and both hit different notes of the sativa high.

Ace uses the same Meao Thai genetic stock that cannabiogen uses, so if you like way out there psychedelic sativas and don't mind waiting 14 weeks for them to develop, check out destroyer or other crosses with the Thai.
I'm a tracer, colors type kind of guy....... Love visuals. :cool: Sounds like a nice strain. Might just give them a run. thank you @NaturalTherapy I appreciate you.
 
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I'm a tracer, colors type kind of guy....... Love visuals. :cool: Sounds like a nice strain. Might just give them a run. thank you @NaturalTherapy I appreciate you.
Cheers! I should have some Destroyer to sample if you find yourself in CO for the Denver cannabis cup this year.
 
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Their catalog has me drooling to man. I follow them pretty closely but have never grown a variety from them. Was going to buy some seeds from them but decided I would wait until spring cause i don't want the seeds going through a bunch of freezing and thawing cycles if I buy them from ace right now. They advised me to wait until spring, but said that they have sent seeds recently to my area successfully. I like that you can buy direct.

From reading their reviews on that other forum it's easy to see their legit. I would think there would some more variation in most of their varieties as they use multiple males and females in the making of most everything they have in their specific attempt to prevent a lack of variety in the cannabis genome, part of their whole preservation technique. Their methods alone garner them a top notch company imo, different for sure, but they obviously understand cannabis on a level that most don't.

A lot of their stuff would probably be best for breeding purposes, to improve upon. They have preserved many genetics that they want people to use to breed with and improve. But they do have some refined stuff that people rave about like bangi haze(their most worked line, ibl), bodhi has used that in breeding he called it "amazing." Must be pretty good at the very least... Orient express is really well liked and is huge yielding and consistantly makes crosses that are huge too. However, I do read a lot that their maturation estimates for their stuff is a little off, many phenos take really long to mature no matter what variety you buy.
 
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Their catalog has me drooling to man. I follow them pretty closely but have never grown a variety from them. Was going to buy some seeds from them but decided I would wait until spring cause i don't want the seeds going through a bunch of freezing and thawing cycles if I buy them from ace right now. They advised me to wait until spring, but said that they have sent seeds recently to my area successfully. I like that you can buy direct.

From reading their reviews on that other forum it's easy to see their legit. I would think there would some more variation in most of their varieties as they use multiple males and females in the making of most everything they have in their specific attempt to prevent a lack of variety in the cannabis genome, part of their whole preservation technique. Their methods alone garner them a top notch company imo, different for sure, but they obviously understand cannabis on a level that most don't.

A lot of their stuff would probably be best for breeding purposes, to improve upon. They have preserved many genetics that they want people to use to breed with and improve. But they do have some refined stuff that people rave about like bangi haze(their most worked line, ibl), bodhi has used that in breeding he called it "amazing." Must be pretty good at the very least... Orient express is really well liked and is huge yielding and consistantly makes crosses that are huge too. However, I do read a lot that their maturation estimates for their stuff is a little off, many phenos take really long to mature no matter what variety you buy.

Want to correst myself... After looking more closely at Ace's stuff, I was wrong to say there would be more variation. There would be less because they only cross stabilized lines with each other. Just realized that a few days ago and that I was wrong when I said that there would be more variation than usual.

So they offer 2 options when it comes down to it pretty much.
1. IBL landrace strains, or
2. New hybrids that have been made from 2 or more IBL landrace strains(which seems to me to make less variation than crossing 2 F1's, the common theme today).
Try and find a current strain from them that doesn't fit into one of these 2 categories... I can't!

The people at Ace are incredibly friendly and intelligent when it comes to this stuff. I'm not associated with them in any way shape or form, just speaking the truth.

Wanted to correct myself because I would never want to discourage anyone from growing their stuff. I know there's people in this thread who've grown their stuff and had a bad experience and I'm not denying their input. Just want to tell you what I know....

All I can say is look very closely at their lines to know what your getting into. The opportunities there are extreme.
 
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The colombian that gage green genetics are using is much,much better than what I have grown from cannabiogen or ace.

Cool, good to know. Getting ready to run my first ggg hybrid soon(white buzz). Very excited, their stuff looks impressive.
 
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I've ran a lot of GGG and they have never disappointed. I usually buy a back up pack of any of their strains that I purchase just to keep in the vault as normally their run of seeds are usually pretty small and limited. Best of luck pheno hunting. Sorry, I haven't run any Ace seeds just to keep this thread on track.
 
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I haven't talked to those guys in ages! Last time i did i ended up doing some seed trades. Wonder if they would be interested in trading something for some Serra Leone IBL from pre WW2 ? .
 
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I got a five pack of feminine Orient Express from Ace, honestly was unimpressed, I did use one to take Malana Cream male pollen from Real Seeds and got some freak psycho sativa out of that, that was many years ago though.
 
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The colombian black bastards is the only thing I have run by gage green. It was so good I culled my mangobiche, nepjam, panama and malawi. Especially the malawi, which was supposed to be their most potent sativa, it was a good yielder but schwag quality. ACE inbreeds their strains and you lose vigor.

Are you suggesting that GGG does not inbreed theirs? If so that is not possible.

Gage had those Colombian genetics from OldHand, who had them from me. OH had packs of 10, inbred, gave to Gage and voila a seed company was born. No problems with that, I would not release them otherwise. However let us not paint the picture that they hold the foundation genetics of these lines. As that would not be correct.
 
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Before I released the Colombian lines that Gage has (from Oldhand), it was already a IBL technically. Having gone through generations to population condition the line over here in Spain, stabilise chemotype and free the line of unwanted traits. I do that using populations of elite plants, not individuals, to attempt to keep as much diversity as is possible while creating a certain quality that is fixed in the population, no matter how small, forevermore.

Inbreeding is not inherently bad, in my opinion, and is a foundation of the creation of true F1s that can be superior. The problems associated with IBLs are usually derived from bottlenecking with 1 x 1 or such like matings in generations, particularly on the Male side. You cannot put back in what was left out, and all that glitters is not gold.

It is really time consuming work, and takes extremely detailed analysis of combining abilities of those males used. When talking of these raw Colombians, that alone takes many years. No problem for us, as we are really passionate about those lines and the entheogen "generating the divine within" highs we search the globe and breed for.

Neither are we constrained by projects driven by financial desires so it takes as long as it does. Others have different desires, and are under more pressure of time, resources, finances or many other industry environmental pressures. Most of which are in clear conflict of interest when it comes down to working with the entheogen properties of this plant.

I rarely use the term Landrace any more, and I would not call CB a landrace in the strictest terms at all. It is a heirloom, farmer maintained cultivar that was collected in situ by us and it is still being grown there by the farmer who is a family friend. Nowadays, even there, commercialism and nomenclature is a problem, CB gets sold as things. Whatever the name being used to describe the best is at the time. Has done since the 60s, standing the test of time. It is great herb, and especially friendly towards more modern cultivation practises, more so than some of the other Colombians we work with (and always will)

Your plants look great, well done, and it is a joy to see these genetics being appreciated and enjoyed hence chatting to you, while Puffin on some rainbows - selection time approaches, Colombian Cannabis rocks.
 
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Recent 4/20 order arrived today . First time using this bank , but they've a good rep frm what I can find . Previous ACE purchases the seed packs were dated , ones that came yesterday are not . Previously I'd bought from OAS in Spain , this time I used an offical US source ( I checked with Ace prior to buying ) . So either the packaging has changed , is not dated for US sales or I've been sold illegitimate beans . Has anyone else had this happen ? FWIW I've emailed ACE & am awaiting a reply . Was stoked that ACE gear was available in the US .

OK FWIW ACE has confirmed their packaging was modified this year & are no longer being dated . I opened an older & one just recieved . Inner brochure & vial still same . Color me relieved as 4/20 sales are 90% of my seed buying .
 
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