Best practice to lower soil pH?

[Peat_Phreak]

So you still have not shown ANY scientific evidence to support your claims.

 

[Peat_Phreak]

Citric acid can raise soil pH by doing it wrong.

 

[Aqua Man]

So you still have not shown ANY scientific evidence to support your claims.

Im not going to do the work for you… the info is out there… go find it.

nor will you bait me into doing the work for you. If you want to remain ignorant then do so.

im not saying you cant use it, or m saying its about the worst option to achieve a lower PH with any sort of decent stability

 

[Aqua Man]

Citric acid can raise soil pH by doing it wrong.

Oh ok explain? Are are you actually just regurgitating now? because you obviously don’t understand what im saying and why

 

[Peat_Phreak]

Did you know one of the 12 most common uses of citric acid is for agriculture?

https://shanghaichemex.com/12-of-the-most-common-uses-of-citric-acid/

Agriculture:​

This acid is used by farmers to regulate soil acidity. In areas where the soil is alkaline or the soil must be acidic to grow a particular crop, compounds such as citric acid can be used to adjust the pH of the culture medium. Of course, if used incorrectly, it can damage the plant and you must consult a specialist before u

 

[Aqua Man]

Did you know one of the 12 most common uses of citric acid is for agriculture?

https://shanghaichemex.com/12-of-the-most-common-uses-of-citric-acid/

Agriculture:​

This acid is used by farmers to regulate soil acidity. In areas where the soil is alkaline or the soil must be acidic to grow a particular crop, compounds such as citric acid can be used to adjust the pH of the culture medium. Of course, if used incorrectly, it can damage the plant and you must consult a specialist before u

And your the specialist? Lmao

 

[Aqua Man]

Ok i have to keep packing…. you do you buddy

 

[Peat_Phreak]

Im not going to do the work for you… the info is out there… go find it.

I can't find it because it doesn't exist. Literally everything I have found that is a scientific study supports my side.

So you need to provide a link to support your argument.

 

[Aqua Man]

I can't find it because it doesn't exist. Literally everything I have found that is a scientific study supports my side.

So you need to provide a link to support your argument.

Its called chemistry. im done helping ppl like you.… im tired of explaining shit to ppl who have no understanding. If you’d rather use an unstable source than a stable source have at it. It will work for temp mixing of nutrients to prevent precipitation but other than that its dam near useless in soil or hydro for that matter

maybe one day you’ll understand but im not going to hold my breath

maybe re read the title of the thread?

 

[Aqua Man]

For anyone else reading just do a google search of why citric acid is a poor choice for soil PH. This article will generally explain some of the reason but not all.

you can start here…. as i said it breaks down way to fast to be effective…. never mind considered as the title states “ best practice to reduce soil Ph”

Citric acid in the garden - Ask Extension

Can good grade citric acid (230% Vit.C) be used in the garden to acidify the soil?

ask2.extension.org

if you do more digging than into the info unlike this guy you’ll be able to see the BS claims for what they are… especially if you feel like digging deep into the chemistry side of things.

 

[rDWCNoob]

There's no need to be hostile, I simply stated my OPINION, which is just that, an opinion.

The information for my opinion stems from the fact that most good hemp shops no longer sell pipes made out of metal, as the rumour on the street is that burning the metal releases chemicals that trigger alzheimers in the brain. I'd prefer to stay away from anything metal being put into my soil. If you think a plant can't uptake whatever you add to the soil, then IDK what to tell you. I had some rice from India the other day and I'm going to assume it was grown over a mound of shit, or had fresh shit added to it because it literally tasted like curry. I took that rice back to the store so fast.

I'm not using an organic soil btw. I'd like to eventually some day, but I'm not right now. I wanted to use full organics for my grow but I broke the rule lol. I put epsom salts in my soil and now I used Calimagic, which doesn't have the OMRI label on it. My fertilizers are comprised of nitrogen, phosphoric acid, and soluble potash, with a little bit of 'organic material' to tie it all together. I don't know if there's any metals in there, but I'd like to think there aren't.

And for what it's worth, I'll be a little bit personal with you. I don't know what this "church of organics" is, but I'm not a part of it. The reason I'm so gung ho on using organics is because I was forcefully medicated on Risperdal and Sertraline when I was 9 years old for ADHD. That shit fucked me up and to this day I've never felt right about it. I can't speak for the other members of this religion you speak of, but perhaps something similar happened to them as well. I DON'T WANT HARSH CHEMICALS, in my weed, in my food, in my drugs, none of it unless it's ABSOLUTELY necessary. If I could go back to the 1300's method of farming before commercialized products I would, believe me. Using manure and guano, etc.

I got nothing against you Aqua Man, I didn't intend to come at you crooked. I just stated my opinion, it's my first grow, I am ignorant, but again, please try and understand I would prefer to stay away from harsh synthetic fertilizers as much as possible. I'm realizing now that it might be more difficult to do than I previously thought.

Youre making some pretty bold claims and "opinions" from a position of ignorance. As far as the plant is concerned, there is no difference between synthetic nutes and organic. The real difference is that with synthetic nutes, the NPK is readily available in a form that the plant can absorb and use. With organic nutes, those exact same same chemicals have to be broken down organically in the root system before they can be absorbed by the plant. This causes stress on the plant. It has been shown that some stress can actually lead to the increased production of secondary metabolites, aka terpenes and flavinoids. But ultimately, the plant is absorbing the exact same compounds regardless of whether youre using organic or synthetic nutes.

And, as far as metals are concerned, I think this is also an opinion that comes from a position of ignorance. Do you know what molybdenum is? Its a heavy metal, and one of the micro nutes found in pretty much all nutes geared towards cannabis. Whether certain metals are harmful to humans is based on the specific ions of those metals and the their concentrations. Do you know what is also a heavy metal? Sodium. You put pure sodium in water and it explodes. But we consume sodium chloride every day in the form of salt. The claims of alzheimers being caused by aluminum is referring specifically to aluminum oxide, which used to be found in deodorant. Its possible that may be a concern from metal pipes because heating aluminum produces aluminum oxide. However, you cant just jump from that to "all metals are bad" or "synthetic nutes are bad" because they use mineral salts. Thats a pretty big stretch.

 

[Aqua Man]

Youre making some pretty bold claims and "opinions" from a position of ignorance. As far as the plant is concerned, there is no difference between synthetic nutes and organic. The real difference is that with synthetic nutes, the NPK is readily available in a form that the plant can absorb and use. With organic nutes, those exact same same chemicals have to be broken down organically in the root system before they can be absorbed by the plant. This causes stress on the plant. It has been shown that some stress can actually lead to the increased production of secondary metabolites, aka terpenes and flavinoids. But ultimately, the plant is absorbing the exact same compounds regardless of whether youre using organic or synthetic nutes.

And, as far as metals are concerned, I think this is also an opinion that comes from a position of ignorance. Do you know what molybdenum is? Its a heavy metal, and one of the micro nutes found in pretty much all nutes geared towards cannabis. Whether certain metals are harmful to humans is based on the specific ions of those metals and the their concentrations. Do you know what is also a heavy metal? Sodium. You put pure sodium in water and it explodes. But we consume sodium chloride every day in the form of salt. The claims of alzheimers being caused by aluminum is referring specifically to aluminum oxide, which used to be found in deodorant. Its possible that may be a concern from metal pipes because heating aluminum produces aluminum oxide. However, you cant just jump from that to "all metals are bad" or "synthetic nutes are bad" because they use mineral salts. Thats a pretty big stretch.

Finally someone with some actual understanding. Very accurate and good points sir

 

[TSD]

Youre making some pretty bold claims and "opinions" from a position of ignorance. As far as the plant is concerned, there is no difference between synthetic nutes and organic. The real difference is that with synthetic nutes, the NPK is readily available in a form that the plant can absorb and use. With organic nutes, those exact same same chemicals have to be broken down organically in the root system before they can be absorbed by the plant. This causes stress on the plant. It has been shown that some stress can actually lead to the increased production of secondary metabolites, aka terpenes and flavinoids. But ultimately, the plant is absorbing the exact same compounds regardless of whether youre using organic or synthetic nutes.

And, as far as metals are concerned, I think this is also an opinion that comes from a position of ignorance. Do you know what molybdenum is? Its a heavy metal, and one of the micro nutes found in pretty much all nutes geared towards cannabis. Whether certain metals are harmful to humans is based on the specific ions of those metals and the their concentrations. Do you know what is also a heavy metal? Sodium. You put pure sodium in water and it explodes. But we consume sodium chloride every day in the form of salt. The claims of alzheimers being caused by aluminum is referring specifically to aluminum oxide, which used to be found in deodorant. Its possible that may be a concern from metal pipes because heating aluminum produces aluminum oxide. However, you cant just jump from that to "all metals are bad" or "synthetic nutes are bad" because they use mineral salts. Thats a pretty big stretch.

There's like 10 metals that naturally occur in our bodies that are essential for something. Saying all metals are bad is silly. Too much of anything is bad... but we're all made of star stuff and so is the planet, metals are everywhere and they're necessary. I feed with an organic nutrient, not because I'm a fanatic, but because I genuinely think, for my style of growing, it's easier to manage in soil and also results in better flavors... purely speculation of course. I do prefer to avoid chemicals when possible, but they're literally everywhere, our air, water, soil... As far as spraying chemicals on buds you're gonna smoke, yeah, try to avoid that .... but anything in the soil will be broken down by the microbes and roots and be absorbed as the elements that are needed and used, regardless of the method of input... Also, anyone that's gonna debate @Aqua Man on chemistry clearly hasn't been on the farm for long. He never even said citric acid doesn't work, he said it's not a long term solution... I guess if you wanna keep dousing your girls in citric acid every few days, have at it lol... I personally don't fuck with ph or even check it unless there's an issue.

 

[Aqua Man]

There's like 10 metals that naturally occur in our bodies that are essential for something. Saying all metals are bad is silly. Too much of anything is bad... but we're all made of star stuff and so is the planet, metals are everywhere and they're necessary. I feed with an organic nutrient, not because I'm a fanatic, but because I genuinely think, for my style of growing, it's easier to manage in soil and also results in better flavors... purely speculation of course. I do prefer to avoid chemicals when possible, but they're literally everywhere, our air, water, soil... As far as spraying chemicals on buds you're gonna smoke, yeah, try to avoid that .... but anything in the soil will be broken down by the microbes and roots and be absorbed as the elements that are needed and used, regardless of the method of input... Also, anyone that's gonna debate @Aqua Man on chemistry clearly hasn't been on the farm for long. He never even said citric acid doesn't work, he said it's not a long term solution... I guess if you wanna keep dousing your girls in citric acid every few days, have at it lol... I personally don't fuck with ph or even check it unless there's an issue.

And your right about the flavour… secondary metabolites and enzymes produced by bacteria with the added benefits of symbiotic relationships with both bacteria and fungi aiding in plant health can absolutely affect that