British Columbia (BC) Cannabis Summit April 20-22

[Drasik]

The British Columbia Craft Farmers Co-op is hosting it's first cannabis summit in beautiful Kelowna, British Columbia Canada, from April 20-22. The event is SOLD OUT but there is a live stream version available. Its a great opportunity to see what's going on in one of best regions of the world to grow cannabis. A lot of craft farmers and coop members will be in attendance as well as industry professionals. Some of what you'll be hearing at the summit is information from experts in the current legal market.
Head over to the summit website to see how you can tune in. https://www.bccraftfarmerscoop.com/summit/

 

[Ponky]

Experts in the legal market. Sounds made up.

 

[Drasik]

Experts in the legal market. Sounds made up.

LOL, I know it sounds made up but in Canada we've been federally legal for about 4 years now, so yeah there are many experts that can show how grow good cannabis up here. Not only that but there is a huge ancillary industry that supports the cannabis industry here. Where are you from? There are many large trade shows in Canada but this is more geared towards craft and the transition of legacy market participants. If you've never had BC Bud, its some of the best in the world

 

[Ponky]

LOL, I know it sounds made up but in Canada we've been federally legal for about 4 years now, so yeah there are many experts that can show how grow good cannabis up here. Not only that but there is a huge ancillary industry that supports the cannabis industry here. Where are you from? There are many large trade shows in Canada but this is more geared towards craft and the transition of legacy market participants. If you've never had BC Bud, its some of the best in the world

I live in the Lower Mainland. I am from team mock legal cannabis. Legal commercial grows are frowned upon.

 

[Drasik]

I live in the Lower Mainland. I am from team mock legal cannabis. Legal commercial grows are frowned upon.

We're not talking about commercial grows here we're talking about craft grows(micros). I'm from legacy market 20 years, we fought for legalization so no we're embracing it.

 

[Ponky]

We're not talking about commercial grows here we're talking about craft grows(micros). I'm from legacy market 20 years, we fought for legalization so no we're embracing it.

Umm
.... we fought against it. Because the thing is ours and we didn't want people getting in without putting in the work. We opposed the legal market. And are kind of the reason the legal market is suppressed. And out aim is to never see it prosper. My advice to craft growers is don't. :(

 

[Buzzzz]

I live in the Lower Mainland. I am from team mock legal cannabis. Legal commercial grows are frowned upon.

I'm from Canada and around my parts they are frowned upon as well. The same people who advocated jail terms for growing before legalization now want to monopolize it. Just a big pseudo legal scam

 

[Buzzzz]

LOL, I know it sounds made up but in Canada we've been federally legal for about 4 years now, so yeah there are many experts that can show how grow good cannabis up here. Not only that but there is a huge ancillary industry that supports the cannabis industry here. Where are you from? There are many large trade shows in Canada but this is more geared towards craft and the transition of legacy market participants. If you've never had BC Bud, its some of the best in the world

I don't think BC bud is any better than Saskatchewan,Ontario,Maritimes,Holland,Spain,Us etc . Perhaps the US is in a better position than any with their money,proximity to Mexico , the tropics, the years they spent at war in Afghanistan and Middle East,Colombia,Thailand and so on. It's all basically the same genetics crossed in different combinations and available to all. Nothing new has made the scene since the dutch cornered the breeding in the mid 80's to mid 90's. The polyhybrids are everywhere, the real gems are in the original lines which have turned weedy because few have kept them unadultered and they are prized. For example,Just look at how much impact sk#1 and northern lights made and the crosses of it but try to find the real deal now. Proper ,legit IBL's are rare for the consumer and most claiming they have them are either lying or not releasing them to the public. There are many lost strains that were simply killer and have gone astray due to greed,when Sensi Star came out it was incredible and now its just feminized and so so . I remember packs going to $300 when it arrived and every killer strain was outrageously priced but was stable and very psychoactive. Hopefully someone will find good landraces to add to the genepool,I think they are out there but guarded by tradition . Most people enjoy the fancy names,stoney weed,yield,ease of growth and the bag appeal with the pleasantness of the high secondary. The legal companies are buying and using the same seeds anyone can buy so their weed is mainstream as well. The clandistine growers will always have the best genetics and they won't offer them to the man.

Sensi star - Strainly

Sensi star for $10,000 per ea. by BUDZARELICIOUS on Strainly

www.strainly.io

 

[Drasik]

Umm
.... we fought against it. Because the thing is ours and we didn't want people getting in without putting in the work. We opposed the legal market. And are kind of the reason the legal market is suppressed. And out aim is to never see it prosper. My advice to craft growers is don't. :(

I would disagree a lot of people fought for it and to say something is ours is very narcissistic, it is a plant that should be shared by all. I agreed on the work part, but even in the old legacy market people wouldn't put in the work and try and scam their way to profits. I would've agreed with you two years ago about switching over, but more and more legacy folks are turning legal as the barriers drop. This co-op and events like this help the smaller farmer/legacy entity transition into the new market. Remove those barriers and bring those ppl with years of experience into the legal fold. In Canada there so many good industry people now as opposed to 5 years ago when I first got into this, there were alot of snakes. We're seeing the move away from large commercial grows to smaller craft ones, good people that have "put in the work" and deserve their seat at the table.

Legacy market is hurting now, I had colleagues say legacy market would never go away and they wouldn't stop. Today they've either shut down or are crying cuz they can barely get $600 on a quad pack. How does legacy survive with those prices here in BC? So whether you support it or not, legal industry is very real and has experts. It's not going away anytime soon. You can help shape it so why be against it when its becoming the norm now?

 

[Drasik]

I'm from Canada and around my parts they are frowned upon as well. The same people who advocated jail terms for growing before legalization now want to monopolize it. Just a big pseudo legal scam

There is politics in every industry and the former police chief of Toronto running his own company after he jailed so many people is also BS to me. BUT there are so many new craft growers in the country and especially here in BC that put in the good work. Why not support or join them instead of staying negative. You can shape the industry by participating in it. I've seen so much change from legacy folks who've transitioned, its def working. Maybe take in a few events and see what the good folks are doing.

 

[Buzzzz]

I would disagree a lot of people fought for it and to say something is ours is very narcissistic, it is a plant that should be shared by all. I agreed on the work part, but even in the old legacy market people wouldn't put in the work and try and scam their way to profits. I would've agreed with you two years ago about switching over, but more and more legacy folks are turning legal as the barriers drop. This co-op and events like this help the smaller farmer/legacy entity transition into the new market. Remove those barriers and bring those ppl with years of experience into the legal fold. In Canada there so many good industry people now as opposed to 5 years ago when I first got into this, there were alot of snakes. We're seeing the move away from large commercial grows to smaller craft ones, good people that have "put in the work" and deserve their seat at the table.

Legacy market is hurting now, I had colleagues say legacy market would never go away and they wouldn't stop. Today they've either shut down or are crying cuz they can barely get $600 on a quad pack. How does legacy survive with those prices here in BC? So whether you support it or not, legal industry is very real and has experts. It's not going away anytime soon. You can help shape it so why be against it when its becoming the norm now?

As I understand it the gov won't let anyone with a record for cultivation get involved so the real experts will never become a part of it,it's like barring all the best scientists from aiding in discoveries. They are simply turning it into a manufacturing market and quality of product lags behind. The experts they use are experts in profit not in increasing the quality of the plant. It's like tomatoes,the seeds we buy are for yield not taste because the sell is in weight.

 

[Kanzeon]

If you've never had BC Bud, its some of the best in the world

Preface: I don't say any of this to shit on the current scene, but to lament what it could and should be. BC Bud should be analogous to French wine, down to the AOC system establishing provenance and quality from start to finish. But it's fucking not, and not anywhere close.

BC Bud on the black market, maybe. 20 years ago before Breeder Steve got busted, maybe. Legal market today? 😂 🤣 No. There are like two or three breeders in BC that are respected internationally- Michigan has more. The products are overpriced and packaged terribly. The service in dispensaries is far, far worse.

Right now the BC legal market is mostly full of charlatans, hucksters, and corporate hacks peddling overpriced moldy buds. The only thing that's impressed me about any legal weed north of the border is that people can sell it without feeling embarrassed.

From a 30,000 foot perspective, nothing about legal BC bud is as good in quality or value as legal options in states like California, Oregon, Washington, Massachusetts, Michigan, Nevada, Colorado... or even the black market in places like NYC, Philly, and DC. Point blank, I have had better bud at better prices delivered to my door in all of those places than in BC.

In the US, I could open a container and make sure that the buds aren't moldy. I could take a dab of a concentrate before I could buy it. I could ask people if the meds helped them sleep or with anxiety. I could ask and get answers about how the buds were grown and processed.

Not in BC. I never had anyone tell me with a straight face that a half-gram of mediocre concentrate is $50. I ask how a strain effects someone and I get told to "ask my doctor," like Canadian doctors have any kind of special cannabis training or knowledge. It's ridiculous and should be mocked mercilessly.

I don't think anything about a market built on price gouging consumers for mediocre products via a forced governmental monopoly is worth celebrating. Cannabis should be about bringing healing resources to people that need them, not a few rich greedy assholes making money off of everyone else by trying to force people to buy their terrible products.

 

[Buzzzz]

Preface: I don't say any of this to shit on the current scene, but to lament what it could and should be. BC Bud should be analogous to French wine, down to the AOC system establishing provenance from start to finish. But it's fucking not, and not anywhere close.

BC Bud on the black market, maybe. 20 years ago before Breeder Steve got busted, maybe. Legal market today? 😂 🤣 No. There are like two or three breeders in BC that are respected internationally- Michigan has more. The products are overpriced and packaged terribly. The service in dispensaries is far, far worse.

Right now the BC legal market is mostly full of charlatans, hucksters, and corporate hacks peddling overpriced moldy buds. The only thing that's impressed me about any legal weed north of the border is that people can sell it without feeling embarrassed.

From a 30,000 foot perspective, nothing about legal BC bud is as good in quality or value as legal options in states like California, Oregon, Washington, Massachusetts, Michigan, Nevada, Colorado... or even the black market in places like NYC, Philly, and DC. Point blank, I have had better bud at better prices delivered to my door in all of those places than in BC.

In the US, I could open a container and make sure that the buds aren't moldy. I could take a dab of a concentrate before I could buy it. I could ask people if the meds helped them sleep or with anxiety. I could ask and get answers about how the buds were grown and processed.

Not in BC. I never had anyone tell me with a straight face that a half-gram of mediocre concentrate is $50. I ask how a strain effects someone and I get told to "ask my doctor," like Canadian doctors have any kind of special cannabis training or knowledge. It's ridiculous and should be mocked mercilessly.

I don't think anything about a market built on price gouging consumers for mediocre products via a forced governmental monopoly is worth celebrating. Cannabis should be about bringing healing resources to people that need them, not a few rich greedy assholes making money off of everyone else by trying to force people to buy their terrible products.

Legal weed in Canada is set up for the wealthy and investors,the price to get a licence is incredible along with the red tape and makes it for big companies to dabble in,we can't even sell a gram or a clone without getting a visit. It's essentially like alcohol and gov run. To suggest the common man benefits is naive. The common man is only the consumer and the one who funds it. Weed is pretty much worthless in Canada for the average grower but they still want big bucks for a few grams legally. It's just a big racket,I for one would never give a penny to the monopoly, I'd rather pay dble to support my friends than give those thieves a penny

 

[Kanzeon]

Exactly. Which is why I give seeds and bud away like it's going out of style. Literally everyone should be growing it (and food crops).

 

[Ponky]

I would disagree a lot of people fought for it and to say something is ours is very narcissistic, it is a plant that should be shared by all. I agreed on the work part, but even in the old legacy market people wouldn't put in the work and try and scam their way to profits. I would've agreed with you two years ago about switching over, but more and more legacy folks are turning legal as the barriers drop. This co-op and events like this help the smaller farmer/legacy entity transition into the new market. Remove those barriers and bring those ppl with years of experience into the legal fold. In Canada there so many good industry people now as opposed to 5 years ago when I first got into this, there were alot of snakes. We're seeing the move away from large commercial grows to smaller craft ones, good people that have "put in the work" and deserve their seat at the table.

Legacy market is hurting now, I had colleagues say legacy market would never go away and they wouldn't stop. Today they've either shut down or are crying cuz they can barely get $600 on a quad pack. How does legacy survive with those prices here in BC? So whether you support it or not, legal industry is very real and has experts. It's not going away anytime soon. You can help shape it so why be against it when its becoming the norm now?

Yes. Undercutting drove the price down. And now the people who made the market great have a bunch of nobodies rushing in to try to make money after doing none of the work. It is what it is. It is ours. We are the reason everyone got to smoke. So of course we will never welcome rubes. We supplied the world. And made the networks and demand. Ours.

 

[Buzzzz]

Exactly. Which is why I give seeds and bud away like it's going out of style. Literally everyone should be

Exactly. Which is why I give seeds and bud away like it's going out of style. Literally everyone should be growing it (and food crops).

I don't even understand where this BC bud being the end all came from,they act like they know something or have access to particulars no one else does. All I have to do is order froma BC seedbank and I have BC bud, when someone brings back or puts pure strains out I will prick my ears, until then,I have as good of weed as the next guy and am just using a different combination of the same. Look at all the big strains that were crazy potent,ak47,nlxhaze,jack herer etc, they have all been either lost,not near as potent as they once were or turned weedy because thats what cannabis naturally does if the selections aren't made properly. feminized seeds can also take some blame for this,again greed and market demand called for them. In the old days if you got a hermy you dropped that strain and the breeder got called out,today they blame it on the grower every time,even the consumer blames the grower

 

[Ponky]

I don't even understand where this BC bud being the end all came from,they act like they know something or have access to particulars no one else does. All I have to do is order froma BC seedbank and I have BC bud, when someone brings back or puts pure strains out I will prick my ears, until then,I have as good of weed as the next guy and am just using a different combination of the same. Look at all the big strains that were crazy potent,ak47,nlxhaze,jack herer etc, they have all been either lost,not near as potent as they once were or turned weedy because thats what cannabis naturally does if the selections aren't made properly. feminized seeds can also take some blame for this,again greed and market demand called for them. In the old days if you got a hermy you dropped that strain and the breeder got called out,today they blame it on the grower every time,even the consumer blames the grower

There are guys here with clone only operations that seeds just can't match. A very distinct flavour profile. But to act like we have the best weed in the world is silly. We have world class weed for the lowest prices in the world. Thats more accurate. And the hard work and suffering of people who have been through it is why. But I'm pretty sure the best weed in the world comes from India.

 

[Drasik]

I don't think BC bud is any better than Saskatchewan,Ontario,Maritimes,Holland,Spain,Us etc . Perhaps the US is in a better position than any with their money,proximity to Mexico , the tropics, the years they spent at war in Afghanistan and Middle East,Colombia,Thailand and so on. It's all basically the same genetics crossed in different combinations and available to all. Nothing new has made the scene since the dutch cornered the breeding in the mid 80's to mid 90's. The polyhybrids are everywhere, the real gems are in the original lines which have turned weedy because few have kept them unadultered and they are prized. For example,Just look at how much impact sk#1 and northern lights made and the crosses of it but try to find the real deal now. Proper ,legit IBL's are rare for the consumer and most claiming they have them are either lying or not releasing them to the public. There are many lost strains that were simply killer and have gone astray due to greed,when Sensi Star came out it was incredible and now its just feminized and so so . I remember packs going to $300 when it arrived and every killer strain was outrageously priced but was stable and very psychoactive. Hopefully someone will find good landraces to add to the genepool,I think they are out there but guarded by tradition . Most people enjoy the fancy names,stoney weed,yield,ease of growth and the bag appeal with the pleasantness of the high secondary. The legal companies are buying and using the same seeds anyone can buy so their weed is mainstream as well. The espeically with high clandistine growers will always have the best genetics and they won't offer them to the man.

Sensi star - Strainly

Sensi star for $10,000 per ea. by BUDZARELICIOUS on Strainly

www.strainly.io

There is so much shyt genetics today especially with so many unstable hybrids. They are not strong enough to fight of pests, disease and other infestations. Landraces came from different parts of the world I am not aware of any indigenous cannabis strain information in Canada. Many of these landraces, especially from Asia found there way to BC in the 60s and 70s and have been main stays here for many years.

So while strains can come from anywhere the genetic expression of a plant varies on environmental conditions and care. Not everyone grows the same, the potential will always be there. I'm originally from out east and from my legacy market days the best in Canada was always from BC, few reasons for that.

1. experience, there are so many shops and people growing out here that have the knowledge, at one point RCMP had ascertained that in certain parts of the province 1 in 10 residents were used for growing. So having the experts helps make a better product.

2. Temperate climate, parts of the province can stay fairly temperate all year long ideal for year round growing and optimum growing temps. less that you have to play around with when it comes to heating and cooling.

3. Water, lotsa of rain here and in the mountains tons off fresh CLEAN spring water, so one you don't have to treat it or buff it up or down as you would in the rest of the country. Can you really pull clean water in Ontario without treating or buffing it or going to a remote location?

4. In the legacy market with the mountains, there were so many good hiding spots you could put your grow which lead to longevity of operations and experience therefore leading to a better product.

So while strains can come from anywhere they thrive in BC for some of these reasons.

 

[Buzzzz]

There are guys here with clone only operations that seeds just can't match. A very distinct flavour profile. But to act like we have the best weed in the world is silly. We have world class weed for the lowest prices in the world. Thats more accurate. And the hard work and suffering of people who have been through it is why. But I'm pretty sure the best weed in the world comes from India.

Yes you get standouts,but those clones came from seeds though,I don't even understand why people make polyhybrids since they can't be reproduced. I believe the entire point of breeding is to produce like plants in the offspring ,hardiness and resistance,ease of growth and preservation of desirable traits, otherwise your simply letting plants reproduce and not really contributing anything for the long run. For getting high as opposed to stoned. I would probably agree with India,Colombia,thailand,Mexico although Mexican strains are Colombian strains that acclimated. i remember many years ago people boycotted broad leaf plants due to a boring energy draining effect but now it seems to be the norm.

 

[Kanzeon]

Historically, BC Bud deserves a lot of respect. It only takes a few glances at seedfinder to see that strains like Timewarp, God, Shishkaberry, Blockhead, Sweet Skunk, Sweet Tooth, etc are legit legends. That's a big part of why I'm so salty that the BC legal market is so bad.

The thing seems to be that when he got busted a lot of that innovation seemed to die down. Yeah, JOTI and HOGG are still doing their thing and going strong, but people don't look to BC for cutting-edge or exceptional quality bud now that the legal markets in CA, OR, WA, etc. have really taken off.