Can't figure out the problem..

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another auto day of harvest got 4 oz of this one lol
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Hi all, long time lurker here, but first time posting. I've been successfully growing outside for 2 years and am trying my hand at indoor growing. It isn't going well and I'm completely stumped as to what the heck is wrong. I planted 4 seeds a month ago, but they're all very slow growing. They are about the size of 2 week seedlings instead of 4 week seedlings. They're all autoflowers.
Gorilla Glue, Gelato NTL, Jack Herer & an unknown mystery mix seed. I use the same soil I've always used..a mix of potting soil, worm castings & fox farm with perlite. These 4 indoor seedlings have consistent temperature around 72°-78°F, consistent light schedule, with some fluctuating humidity at night. I have a variety of other plants (vegetables, herbs & flowers) that were planted in the same soil mix several weeks earlier and are thriving like normal. I use this same soil mix in my outdoor weed grows and have never had an issue. I'm completely stumped with these indoor 4. Ph is great & they've never dried out, yet the the soil seems to take forever to need watering even though they aren't getting drenched. It's like they've just grown some, then froze in time. My Jack Herer is taking on some deformed leaves and I don't know why. I'm looking for any kind of guidance I can get to hopefully save these ladies. I gave them a bit of weak fertilizer a few days ago and still haven't noticed much difference. I don't know if I should keep treating them as young seedlings by not feeding them because they’re smaller than normal sizes or if I should feed them based on their actual plant age. Every day I'm obsessed with looking at them constantly to see if there's any improvement, but it's like watching paint dry. If it's the soil, then why do my outdoor girls do fantastic in it before being transplanted into the ground? Something is really wrong here and I can't figure it out. Please help if you can. Thank you for taking your time to read this. I appreciate any advice to help these young ladies.
any itty bitty tiny flies around the soil surface?
 
mjvdet13

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two things if I'm sitting in this situation and everything is constant like your water cycles are on point etc..

First kick that heat up. Early stage of life really likes higher heat and as we know you dial that back through the life cycle..

my second thing I'd address is the room. Is it totally sealed? If it is I'd pop in a co2 burner or some other similar device. You'd be amazed at the way it speeds everything up overnight especially if its a stale air environment.
 
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any itty bitty tiny flies around the soil surface?
Nope, none at all. No insects below the soil either. I checked out their roots the other day because I wanted to see if they were having any problems or rotting to see if that was maybe the issue and no bugs anywhere, thankfully.
 
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Hi all, long time lurker here, but first time posting. I've been successfully growing outside for 2 years and am trying my hand at indoor growing. It isn't going well and I'm completely stumped as to what the heck is wrong. I planted 4 seeds a month ago, but they're all very slow growing. They are about the size of 2 week seedlings instead of 4 week seedlings. They're all autoflowers.
Gorilla Glue, Gelato NTL, Jack Herer & an unknown mystery mix seed. I use the same soil I've always used..a mix of potting soil, worm castings & fox farm with perlite. These 4 indoor seedlings have consistent temperature around 72°-78°F, consistent light schedule, with some fluctuating humidity at night. I have a variety of other plants (vegetables, herbs & flowers) that were planted in the same soil mix several weeks earlier and are thriving like normal. I use this same soil mix in my outdoor weed grows and have never had an issue. I'm completely stumped with these indoor 4. Ph is great & they've never dried out, yet the the soil seems to take forever to need watering even though they aren't getting drenched. It's like they've just grown some, then froze in time. My Jack Herer is taking on some deformed leaves and I don't know why. I'm looking for any kind of guidance I can get to hopefully save these ladies. I gave them a bit of weak fertilizer a few days ago and still haven't noticed much difference. I don't know if I should keep treating them as young seedlings by not feeding them because their smaller than normal sizes or if I should feed them based on their actual plant age. Every day I'm obsessed with looking at them constantly to see if there's any improvement, but it's like watching paint dry. If it's the soil, then why do my outdoor girls do fantastic in it before being transplanted into the ground? Something is really wrong here and I can't figure it out. Please help if you can. Thank you for taking your time to read this. I appreciate any advice to help these young ladies.
For veg stage pump up the temps to about 85-88 degrees with humidity of 70 percent. It goes against all vpd charts it or what’s so ever , but that’s when I see the best results in veg and early seeds. There’s a reason why they like it in a humidity dome or green house early in the stages.
 
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two things if I'm sitting in this situation and everything is constant like your water cycles are on point etc..

First kick that heat up. Early stage of life really likes higher heat and as we know you dial that back through the life cycle..

my second thing I'd address is the room. Is it totally sealed? If it is I'd pop in a co2 burner or some other similar device. You'd be amazed at the way it speeds everything up overnight especially if its a stale air environment.
I will see what I can do to increase the heat in there.
It's mostly sealed with the exception of the cross ventilation.. the desk fan is sucking in the mist from the humidifier to blow it into the makeshift tent & I've got a partially cut solo cup on the other end as an air exit. I'll see what I can do to increase co2. Fingers crossed here cuz I'm desperate! 🤞😬
 
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I will see what I can do to increase the heat in there.
It's mostly sealed with the exception of the cross ventilation.. the desk fan is sucking in the mist from the humidifier to blow it into the makeshift tent & I've got a partially cut solo cup on the other end as an air exit. I'll see what I can do to increase co2. Fingers crossed here cuz I'm desperate! 🤞😬
Hey I have a similar setup. I use ffof mixed with happy frog and added rice hulls and pumice stones for aeration + castings. Anywho, my autos had similar leaf mangling. I believe it was due to the leaf surface humidity or temps as they developed. I think it happens when they are smaller. Another thing my autos looked like crud if I didn't get them out of the solo cups at around the stage it appears yours are at. Are their tap roots bottoming out? I'd bet a good amount on that being a part of the issue assuming you don't have them in a bigger container already.
 
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Hey I have a similar setup. I use ffof mixed with happy frog and added rice hulls and pumice stones for aeration + castings. Anywho, my autos had similar leaf mangling. I believe it was due to the leaf surface humidity or temps as they developed. I think it happens when they are smaller. Another thing my autos looked like crud if I didn't get them out of the solo cups at around the stage it appears yours are at. Are their tap roots bottoming out? I'd bet a good amount on that being a part of the issue assuming you don't have them in a bigger container already.
I've recently read about happy frog. I think I might try it on my next succession planting coming up. The roots on these are still fairly small & not many roots. I exposed their roots a few days ago while checking for infestation in the soil. Thankfully, no bugs anywhere, so I tucked the girls back in their soil. I've got them planted in square, quart sized pots (4.25" x 5"). Last night I increased the temp in their grow area and also increased the humidity, based on advice from others. This may sound silly, but I notice a bit of a difference in them already and it hasn't even been 24 hours yet since I made those adjustments. They do look a bit better already. Was this from making those adjustments last night or are they finally outgrowing the funk they've been in.. I honestly don't know? I pretty much stalk these ladies all day long, looking for any improvements in them. I swear, I could write a book about my first stressful indoor growing experience here..I think donating a kidney may be easier lol!😬😳😅 All kidding aside, if I do try indoor grow again, I've got a lot of homework to do first. Outdoor grow has been a piece of cake for me, but this indoor grow has completely thrown me for a loop. 😩
 
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For veg stage pump up the temps to about 85-88 degrees with humidity of 70 percent. It goes against all vpd charts it or what’s so ever , but that’s when I see the best results in veg and early seeds. There’s a reason why they like it in a humidity dome or green house early in the stages.

Even for a novice, you’re better off reading your plant than any par/ppfd map. That shit is poppy cock. 👊🏻🤡
👍 people goes off the vpd and ppfd charts too much. They need to throw that crap out the window. A lot of Veterans don’t even listen to the vpd and ppfd bs. That crap is just a guideline. People are over using and evaluating with it.
 
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👍 people goes off the vpd and ppfd charts too much. They need to throw that crap out the window. A lot of Veterans don’t even listen to the vpd and ppfd bs. That crap is just a guideline. People are over using and evaluating with it.
It’s a scourge to say the least homie…..
 
Captspaulding

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I use troll master and the app keeps alerting me that I’m in the red in vpd. 🤣 I do crop steering and it goes against vpd in every aspect almost. At times I’m like stfu.
No way to change that setting in the monitor?
Or the readings are just off the scale?

I do not use any of that mumbo jumbo.
Ppfd ONLY when I’m making a layout for my lights to ensure the spaces between lights are washing out onto each and maintaining just as good light as under the lamp.
Vpd, kli aids 😂 all that I do not use,
C02 either.

I find these metrics are wholly misleading for new growers looking for data driven info. I say keep it simple, try to read your plants as best possible there is no set science for this stuff, just broad gif lines like you were saying, get a damned hobby (besides what we all do) and just focus on getting the grow cycle finished successfully. The. If you feel so inclined to get down into those weeds have at, but fundamentals have to come first imo. Learning a proper wet dry cycle, ensure your microclimate is tight and right. Not over defoliating, and nutrient application.
 
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I use troll master and the app keeps alerting me that I’m in the red in vpd. 🤣 I do crop steering and it goes against vpd in every aspect almost. At times I’m like stfu.
Also, how do you like crop steering? How long have you been doing it? I’ve read up on it, peaks my interest……
 
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The humidity ranges from 55-75. I'm using the Spider Farmer 2024 SF1000D LED grow light with Samsung LM301B diodes, full spectrum grow light. It is hung about 22-24" above the plants and I kept it at 50% power based on what the grow light specifications read. I have a makeshift grow tent setup made from a small folding table completely sealed with mylar, a small humidifier, a small desk fan, cross ventilation opposite the fan & a seedling mat to keep the temp in range during nighttime when the grow light is off. I had to use a makeshift grow tent upstairs because I was starting to battle destructive insects on my vegetable plants & annual flowers in my basement greenhouse setup. These 4 ladies have not been infested and I never see any bugs on them. I simply wanted to start them growing indoors so they'd be mature enough to transplant outdoors in a few weeks. I've never started weed seedlings indoors before, but damn this has been frustrating..😬
I had the same problem with these insanely powerful LEDs. I brought some adjusta watt 720 retros. I went with the 24inch guidance on 250w when I potted my cuttings and they dried out within a few hours. I ended up putting them on the floor with my light basically against the top of the tent and they recovered within a few days. I purchased a soil monitor by Xiaomi called plant care soil monitor and it has a PAR sensor on it. Since I've forgot about the distance bollocks that hasn't worked at all even with some small old school spiders I've got and gone with
Seedling 200-300 par
Veg week 1-2 400-500 par
Veg 3+ 500-600

I haven't had any issues and this is my first grow. In England everyone just sticks about 25 plants in a 2.4mx2.4m room and calls it a day but I've done many many wmonths of reaserach and implemented many hst/last tekkers. I've also realised that this default temp/RH doesn't work for these new high THC strains that I'm doing one of called permanent marker. I went on a site called growing invalid.com I think and they have the cultivators temp/Rh on there. I was at 66-75% RH when I should have been at 40-50 and temp I was around 26.5-27.5 but I should have been between 22-25 and since I've lowered these and stuck a dehumidifier in I'm plane sailing. Also ed Rosenthal's growers hand book has basically everything you need from world class botanists which you can't go wrong with that. All I've found is there's so much mis information out there and listening to the old school growers over here they are all dinosaurs imo as the guy who got me my cuttings ended up killing all 16 of his and I've managed to keep all mine alive even with every problem a newbie does but that was due to listening to him and not referencing the growers handbook and forums like this

Advanced nutrition gave me those PAR readings and they have worked.

Anyway I have my retros at 32 inches from the top of mine and I'm getting between 600-800 which is fine

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