Clones less likely to herm than mother plant?

[Neuro]

So has anyone heard this? It sounds like complete bro science to me and I have no idea why that would be the case but I found an old seed pack from Square1 Genetics where the breeder suggests minimizing your chances of herming by taking clones from your seed plant and flowering those as opposed to the original plant.

 

[2Bad]

Following thread

 

[ImpulsiveGrower]

I’ve heard the same thing but maybe someone else can chime in as to why…

 

[Anthem]

So has anyone heard this? It sounds like complete bro science to me and I have no idea why that would be the case but I found an old seed pack from Square1 Genetics where the breeder suggests minimizing your chances of herming by taking clones from your seed plant and flowering those as opposed to the original plant.

I am 100 percent calling that bullshit. The clone is genetically exactly the same. Any traits carried by the mother will be passed down to the clone

 

[Anthem]

So has anyone heard this? It sounds like complete bro science to me and I have no idea why that would be the case but I found an old seed pack from Square1 Genetics where the breeder suggests minimizing your chances of herming by taking clones from your seed plant and flowering those as opposed to the original plant.

Also this may sound too crapping but if you have to grow out the mother long enough to make clones it just gives the breeder more time to pollen chuck his next latest and greats junk.

 

[NorthernOrganics]

This sounds like a shady breeder trying to buy some more time before being called out for selling unstable genetics.

 

[Neuro]

This sounds like a shady breeder trying to buy some more time before being called out for selling unstable genetics.

To be fair, he did state the the genetics were testers. I've grown three of his strains with no herms yet.

 

[steamroller]

I agree this sounds like bro science, BUT since many things seem to get the credit for herming a plant like any and every kind of stress, I would say if the herm is not genetically inclined then a clone could have different end results depending on several factors .
If the clone can be considered 'acclimated' to your conditions and therefor more resilient then mother who has grown into the conditions, then possibly you have removed what could be the cause of herm in the mother?
Just running with the ball....

 

[NorthernOrganics]

Herming is a result of poor genetics in my opinion. If it has a tendency to herm, it should be culled. Sounds like these guys had anecdotal evidence with their tester strain and were trying to pass on the info as general growing advice. Happens a lot.

 

[Anthem]

I agree this sounds like bro science, BUT since many things seem to get the credit for herming a plant like any and every kind of stress, I would say if the herm is not genetically inclined then a clone could have different end results depending on several factors .
If the clone can be considered 'acclimated' to your conditions and therefor more resilient then mother who has grown into the conditions, then possibly you have removed what could be the cause of herm in the mother?
Just running with the ball....

I do not seem to understand how acclimated to conditions would modify the genetic coding of the plant (DNA). Can you further explain your thoughts?

 

[Buzzzz]

So has anyone heard this? It sounds like complete bro science to me and I have no idea why that would be the case but I found an old seed pack from Square1 Genetics where the breeder suggests minimizing your chances of herming by taking clones from your seed plant and flowering those as opposed to the original plant.

Crazy talk from the breeder.

 

[Buzzzz]

I agree this sounds like bro science, BUT since many things seem to get the credit for herming a plant like any and every kind of stress, I would say if the herm is not genetically inclined then a clone could have different end results depending on several factors .
If the clone can be considered 'acclimated' to your conditions and therefor more resilient then mother who has grown into the conditions, then possibly you have removed what could be the cause of herm in the mother?
Just running with the ball....

But when you clone you put the clone through the greatest stress it will ever see, and following that breeders logic then clone from clone from clone should eliminate the hermies.

 

[Anthem]

But when you clone you put the clone through the greatest stress it will ever see, and following that breeders logic then clone from clone from clone should eliminate the hermies.

It does not work like that, does cloning cause stress, yes. But the plants genetics are tied up in the DNA. If the plant is genetically codes to have hermaphrodite traits all the cloning in the world will not change the DNA structure of the plant. Once a hermie always a hermie

 

[Buzzzz]

It does not work like that, does cloning cause stress, yes. But the plants genetics are tied up in the DNA. If the plant is genetically codes to have hermaphrodite traits all the cloning in the world will not change the DNA structure of the plant. Once a hermie always a hermie

Yep,once a hermie always a hermie

 

[TSD]

Maybe they should look up the word clone in the dictionary lol... that sounds like a huge waste of time and resources to me.

 

[steamroller]

My statement /thoughts went on believing that stress causes hermies. I have always stressed my plants and never had herms.
A genetically inclined plant will have genetically inclined clones .
Just trying to figure how the original thought would or could work ?
Again I think it is bro science .

 

[Ponky]

Good genetics don't herm. The genetics aren't good if herms are an issue.

 

[Trustfall]

Good genetics don't herm. The genetics aren't good if herms are an issue.

But some of the most popular genetics out there(cookies and cake) are all herm prone??? I don’t agree with it but that’s a fact.

 

[2Bad]

But some of the most popular genetics out there(cookies and cake) are all herm prone??? I don’t agree with it but that’s a fact.

Funny u mentioned that cake. My only herm was a wedding cake lol big ol balls

 

[Anthem]

Funny u mentioned that cake. My only herm was a wedding cake lol big ol balls

Wedding cake is a pretty old strain. Was it from seed?
I grew it as a clone many times without issues on that one.