Dark Purple Disease Affecting New Growth?

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browntrout

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• Aug 15, 2018

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Has anyone seen this issue before?

Temps have been hot: 28-31C Day / 15-22C Night with 75-85% humidity Avg.

Appears to be affecting all plants in the garden except a freezeland/timewarp strain that had flowered itself and was in and out of veg/flower all summer. Other than that some 15 or 16 strains of varying age have been affected.

 

Jack og

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• Aug 15, 2018

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What’s your feed like? Nute type and quantity or ppm?
Strains affected? What is the feed schedule?
Cold, temps?
Too much phos? Possibly
I’ve not seen a persay disease that causes that color. Could be strain related ? But I suspect phos

 

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• Aug 16, 2018

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Jack og said:

What’s your feed like? Nute type and quantity or ppm?
Strains affected? What is the feed schedule?
Cold, temps?
Too much phos? Possibly
I’ve not seen a persay disease that causes that color. Could be strain related ? But I suspect phos

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Mostly organic to start.. pro-mix, compost, sheep manure, Gaia Green all purpose, nature’s cure fertilizer.

Not strain related, see above...

They received a frost early in the season, I started using superthrive/ floranova grow in low doses once summer started to get em up to speed.
I also thought Phos and switched to flora nova bloom and pro silicate one I seen the purple. It didn’t help though.

Soil report I had done last week shows similar to first of the season, P/K are moderate-low concentrations. PH is on low side.

 

Toaster79

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• Aug 16, 2018

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It's the high humidity and low temperatures in the morning. There's morning dew trapped in those fresh new shoots and when the sun rises it burns them. Put a cover over your plants, build a hoop house or something because once in flower bud rot is gonna set in and destroy your harvest.

 

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• Aug 16, 2018

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Toaster79 said:

It's the high humidity and low temperatures in the morning. There's morning dew trapped in those fresh new shoots and when the sun rises it burns them. Put a cover over your plants, build a hoop house or something because once in flower bud rot is gonna set in and destroy your harvest.

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Interesting, have you seen this before?

They are in a guerilla spot where the morning sun doesn’t hit them until mid morning

 

Toaster79

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• Aug 16, 2018

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Have been on the spot in the morning? There's water standing right there where you're getting purple/brown colour. Once the noon sun hits the spot it burns the plant unless wind shakes the plant before to drop those water drops.

 

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• Aug 16, 2018

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Toaster79 said:

Have been on the spot in the morning? There's water standing right there where you're getting purple/brown colour. Once the noon sun hits the spot it burns the plant unless wind shakes the plant before to drop those water drops.

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I have but never noticed. I’ll take a check tomorrow. There are some tall standing alders around that I am going to thin out to hopefully increase airflow.

 

scubascrog

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• Aug 16, 2018

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the cold snap is probably causing molybdenum defs, if that water drop is sitting on it itll cool in the morning , and magnify sunlight in the afternoon, usually see this around harvest tho when you starve em.

 

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browntrout

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• Aug 16, 2018

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I really can't see magnified sun being the issue. When I've had this problem from foliar feeding indoors the plants would just have yellow/orange burnt spots/areas. No cold snaps to speak of, we've had a good year with above average temperatures.

 

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browntrout

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• Aug 16, 2018

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Also what originally had me thinking it was a disease was that I dug up a male from the plot and potted it, put it with around 100 breeding plants of various strains that DO NOT have the purpling issue and the purpling has persisted although the male is very green and healthy. It is doing slightly better than the plants in the plot but still purple.

 

scubascrog

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• Aug 16, 2018

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60 degrees at night will do that.

 

scubascrog

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• Aug 16, 2018

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literally anything below 65 at night and you will see moly defs. depending on strain.

 

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browntrout

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• Aug 16, 2018

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Can you explain my previous post? The breeding garden is only about 800-1000ft from the other garden.

 

scubascrog

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• Aug 16, 2018

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if you are breeding you should expect some plants to show weaknesses that others dont as well. like cold tolerance.

 

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• Aug 16, 2018

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scubascrog said:

if you are breeding you should expect some plants to show weaknesses that others dont as well. like cold tolerance.

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All of the same strains in the breeding area are in the plot....

 

scubascrog

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• Aug 16, 2018

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you cant guarantee phenotypes if you are breeding man.

 

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• Aug 16, 2018

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scubascrog said:

you cant guarantee phenotypes if you are breeding man.

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You certainly can by clone. In which case I have duplicates, one in each garden. The plot has around 30 plants and around 15 strains. The breeding area is about 100 or so plants same strains, some clones. Only difference is Pots vs being planted in the ground and less light vs more light.

 

scubascrog

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• Aug 16, 2018

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but I'm going to side with @Toaster79 on this one.

 

Jmaes Mabley

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• Aug 16, 2018

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My buddies plants are doing the EXACT same thing, and have had this problem now for 4 Years. Not all of them do it either. RUINING ALL THAT GET THIS MALADAY. THIS WILL FUCK UP THE PLANTS. TOTALLY.

Ive not had photos to post, ( THANKS FOR THESE PHOTOS )

Im thinking its a Calcium issue. Or an imbalance of Mag/Calcium.

I believe it can be brought on by being wet, WHICH CAN CAUSE PH FLUCTUATIONS.

But Im very curious about the responses.

It IS NOT COLD. its also NOT BURN. Its retarded growth. Gnarly. Twisted. Research has made me think its a Cal/Mag issue. Lockout, or Deficiency.

It aint been below 70 in my neck of the woods for 4 months.

Buddy hit them with more Magnesium Calcium Nitrate, and 4-20-39 base formula.

We were just using 19-19-19 x 0-0-60, Calcitic/Dolomitic Lime, and water only for 2 months, and they were perfect.

As soon as they started to flower, the purple, twisted growth started. So I feel the food is up in the containers, and are deficient.

 

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scubascrog

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• Aug 16, 2018

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okay, so when you say "breeding" you mean you are starting from seed right?. you pop like a hundred of them and select phenos. unless you have already done this cloning plants isnt breeding. cloning off moms and running a bunch of clones isnt breeding, unless you bred the original seed for the mom, ive seen those little MG looking tears on plants with micro nutrient issues. are you giving them micros? i know you are doing organic.... but those are micro nutrient issues. and PH rarely just affects just the micro nutrient, it affects all of them.