Does in house really have a herm problem?

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Dr.Green55

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Actually no I lied some of the strains I have today were breed in the early 90's
 
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If you test your female plants properly and do things right there is a less then 1% chance you will have herms, but this take time and effort, I know breeders that will tell you the same thing. and I bet that if you worked a line well enough you'd get females that are very unlikely to herm, but its easier and faster a to say oh this line is prone to herm. and if you make fem seeds that you no will have hems in them then yes your a shit breeder in my books.
I'm not saying its impossible to cause a plant from a fem seed to herm from stress, but if your females are tested properly and selected properly, you will be pollinating them with female sperm so to say, and then your chances of herms are like 1%. but many breeders are not doing that. I took plants that hermed and it took a few generations and careful selecting and testing but in the end I had plants that didn't herm . I have strains thats are 20 years old or better, original from that time, and they have been worked with many strains some of the ones mentioned above, and guess what they don't herm, because i did my do diligence, and put in the work in so it would happen.
What test are you talking about?

Just like mimedgrower mentioned, even some older strains like east coast sour diesel are prone to herming. These strains, old and new, generally have qualities that make the possibility of a few pollen sacs and seeds worth overlooking, especially when these problems can usually be avoided by experienced growers. Anytime breeders choose to work with these desirable strains its unavoidable that the results will also inherent some of their undesirable traits. Those strains you are thinking of that have a 1% chance to herm when you grow them are likely just specific strains that are best suited to your growing style and environment, reducing the stress they might encounter over their lifespan, and decreasing the likelihood that you will see herms.

I have some strains like slurricane that are very resilient and are successful under a wide range of conditions and I have other strains that are incredibly temperamental, each with their own host of specific demands. I don't blame you for selectively growing what has worked best for you but it's not fair to call a breeder lazy or shit just because they choose to work strains that you may not have been successful with.
 
MIMedGrower

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If you test your female plants properly and do things right there is a less then 1% chance you will have herms, but this take time and effort, I know breeders that will tell you the same thing. and I bet that if you worked a line well enough you'd get females that are very unlikely to herm, but its easier and faster a to say oh this line is prone to herm. and if you make fem seeds that you no will have hems in them then yes your a shit breeder in my books.
I'm not saying its impossible to cause a plant from a fem seed to herm from stress, but if your females are tested properly and selected properly, you will be pollinating them with female sperm so to say, and then your chances of herms are like 1%. but many breeders are not doing that. I took plants that hermed and it took a few generations and careful selecting and testing but in the end I had plants that didn't herm . I have strains thats are 20 years old or better, original from that time, and they have been worked with many strains some of the ones mentioned above, and guess what they don't herm, because i did my do diligence, and put in the work in so it would happen.


With the 100’s of seeds i have grown from the breeder I mentioned it may be 1% that reversed.

shame i cant get them anymore. If you want to see examples they are all over my thread or pic page.
 
Dr.Green55

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you liked to bring up ECSD if you knew how much I worked with it, you'd understand maybe what I'm saying, I not calling all breeders shit by any means their is a lot of good breeds out there that do things right, maybe the issues is people that argue doesn't understand the meaning of doing things right, and its easy to see there is a lot of guys taking short cuts. I grew stuff by in house had good luck, i'm talking about breeders in general and the way thing are going. but if any breeder all a sudden has herm issues, guarantee they took short cuts some wheres , its simple though testing and selecting your females properly over couple generations, and doing your work with it, and then testing your seeds to know what you have. you will not have plants that herm from some stress in a grow room, because you've already put them through the ringers. its not a hard concept to understand. I understand some strains has more issues then others, but from my experience in all the shit I did , their far and few in between, if you do your proper work with the strain. these guys putting out new strains every couple months or so , do you think their working with it for a year and a half first, not a chance. when I work with a plant for a year and a half, there is nothing that I can't tell you about it.
 
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you liked to bring up ECSD if you knew how much I worked with it, you'd understand maybe what I'm saying, I not calling all breeders shit by any means their is a lot of good breeds out there that do things right, maybe the issues is people that argue doesn't understand the meaning of doing things right, and its easy to see there is a lot of guys taking short cuts. I grew stuff by in house had good luck, i'm talking about breeders in general and the way thing are going. but if any breeder all a sudden has herm issues, guarantee they took short cuts some wheres , its simple though testing and selecting your females properly over couple generations, and doing your work with it, and then testing your seeds to know what you have. you will not have plants that herm from some stress in a grow room, because you've already put them through the ringers. its not a hard concept to understand. I understand some strains has more issues then others, but from my experience in all the shit I did , their far and few in between, if you do your proper work with the strain. these guys putting out new strains every couple months or so , do you think their working with it for a year and a half first, not a chance. when I work with a plant for a year and a half, there is nothing that I can't tell you about it.


the seeds i was and am growing were worked for a lot longer than a year and a half. And so were the parent strains.

I have a lot of great plants from seeds consistantly posted the last few years. I never thought about it but my problem plants were really less than 1%. Germination rates too.

I am sad the breeder and I parted ways. I dont know what happened. We kept in touch by email a long time then he went weird and wouldnt ship my order from Spain.

He gifted me some neat stuff too like a vile of shanti critical mass seeds he femmed for him to breed with.

Maybe if you take a bit off the attitude we could have better discussions?
 
Dr.Green55

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the seeds i was and am growing were worked for a lot longer than a year and a half. And so were the parent strains.

I have a lot of great plants from seeds consistantly posted the last few years. I never thought about it but my problem plants were really less than 1%. Germination rates too.

I am sad the breeder and I parted ways. I dont know what happened. We kept in touch by email a long time then he went weird and wouldnt ship my order from Spain.

He gifted me some neat stuff too like a vile of shanti critical mass seeds he femmed for him to breed with.

Maybe if you take a bit off the attitude we could have better discussions?

O attitude bro none what so ever, I'm not talking about your particular strain, I'm tell you what I'm seeing from a lot of new breeders now a days, and why people are posting picks and saying there plants hermed. I could make a list of names a page long of breeders who have has herm issues. and I also no many breeders newer and older that never has issues, but I also no they put the work in and wasn't looking for a quick buck.

something I'm seeing from my own experience is taking mother plants from some else's seeds and putting them through my testing the same as I would have in my labs, and finding mothers that I'd actually even consider using for breeding stock is becoming harder and harder to find.. I had this conversation with breeder not that long ago.
 
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I run a lot of IHG gear run my own too. It gets down to working with plants and getting a feel for what plants you want to select for the next round. Take cuts keep running them.

Many landrace Sativa will herm after 90 days you look at them funny. It's in the genetics you can't really get rid of it totally. That's impossible and science.

I just ran a crop of IHG - I moved to a new home and didn't have my room dialed in like I usually do. Was hand watering but other than that everything the same. So letting pots get drier than I usually let them with automated watering that was off, that and very high pH in my water and bam. I had 2 plants out of 15 that hermed. I got everything dialed in now for environment so no stress. Not seeing any herms this round.

Stress is a thing is my point and why the plants are genetically made to self replicate. Hell a room full of females is stressful. Sometimes I will leave a male in there till a week or so before sacks open. That seems to keep the girls happy for a little while.

I get a few herms now and again. Its part of the game, its farming ffs. Winers gonna wine no matter. Get a different job or do the work. We have eyes you can see nanners before its too late. Easy enough to clip them or chop. Do it but dont blame someone else thats just bs to me.

Running high thc strains we are in uncharted territory. Maybe you want the fire you are taking more risk. Could be as simple as that. Genetics...
 
Drgeeenthumbs408

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I have heard that in house can have herm problems and “untested” gear(same criticisms as seed junky) and is this actually true? I’m looking to buy a few packs to hunt in a new room with a bunch of plants from clone and I’d like to stay away from a hermie prone breeder but I keep seeing one person say yes and then another say no.
What have been your experiences with in house? I’m looking specifically at the platinum crosses(platinum dosi and platinum giant)
Got some free platinum gorilla fem seeds and one Hermd...environment is tuned in. Plat gg is a cross between GG#4 and platinum. You can find many forums online regarding GG#4 being a pheno with hermaphrodite genes
 
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Got some free platinum gorilla fem seeds and one Hermd...environment is tuned in. Plat gg is a cross between GG#4 and platinum. You can find many forums online regarding GG#4 being a pheno with hermaphrodite genes

Platinum I've seen herm ran a lot of GG4 in the past without issue. I've crossed gg4 with Jellium oooh-la-la lasted 15 minutes.
 
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We can add deluxe sugar cane to the list (platinum x slurmint ix #7) had to chop a plant (back right in photo, 4 plants total) today after finding pollen sacks on the lower branches. Ive defoliated fairly heavily to prevent bud rot and PM so there has definitely been at least some stress, the plants do appear reasonably healthy to my eyes.
 
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Looks like you topped them that's real stressful. How long ago did you top them?
 
bigbagofbuds

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Looks like you topped them that's real stressful. How long ago did you top them?

These plants were topped once on December 11th about 40ish days ago, then the branches were trained down to let the canopy fill before switching to flower. I have fed them B52 at full strength the day before any topping or defoliation in an attempt to reduce the stress.
 
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I have ran a TON of IHG.....have yet to find a single hermie.
 
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We can add deluxe sugar cane to the list (platinum x slurmint ix #7) had to chop a plant (back right in photo, 4 plants total) today after finding pollen sacks on the lower branches. Ive defoliated fairly heavily to prevent bud rot and PM so there has definitely been at least some stress, the plants do appear reasonably healthy to my eyes.
DSC right here. Pheno #3. I have 4-9 in flower just not as far as this. Zero problems so far...have yet to have a IHG hermie on me.
 
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I have ran a TON of IHG.....have yet to find a single hermie.

Im not talking down about IHG, their flowers are beautiful. Maybe they take a more talented grower than I, I've only grown the 4 IHG plants and 1 had fully developed pollen sacks not just stamens within the buds, this is my first indoor grow though. The remaining plants are looking frosty with no signs of male flowers, im thinking they would have shown signs of genetic hermaphroditism by now so I am hoping they will make it the rest of the way.
 
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These plants were topped once on December 11th about 40ish days ago, then the branches were trained down to let the canopy fill before switching to flower. I have fed them B52 at full strength the day before any topping or defoliation in an attempt to reduce the stress.

B52 sounds stressful. WTF is that stuff? Organic grower here so I have no clue about anything in a bottle other than 95+% water.
 
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B52 sounds stressful. WTF is that stuff? Organic grower here so I have no clue about anything in a bottle other than 95+% water.


B52 is a B vitamin supplement, my intention was to reduce the stress of the topping. Looking back on my notes I see that the clones were transplanted December 8th and then had grown enough to be topped 3 days later on the 11th.

This was likely plenty of stress to cause the one plant to show both sexes, but the issue, I think, is not that stressed caused the hermaphrodite, the issue is, that some varieties will be more unstable than others. There is a bit of hunting to be done, but I think thats a given with these polyhybrids, the flowers from the chosen cuts are really magnificent, I did not however, want to deal with hermaphrodites.

That being said I would still do a pheno hunt, but keep a close eye, as nice as these plants are, I need a plant that will work well with my gardening practices.
 
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B52 is a B vitamin supplement, my intention was to reduce the stress of the topping. Looking back on my notes I see that the clones were transplanted December 8th and then had grown enough to be topped 3 days later on the 11th.

This was likely plenty of stress to cause the one plant to show both sexes, but the issue, I think, is not that stressed caused the hermaphrodite, the issue is, that some varieties will be more unstable than others. There is a bit of hunting to be done, but I think thats a given with these polyhybrids, the flowers from the chosen cuts are really magnificent, I did not however, want to deal with hermaphrodites.

That being said I would still do a pheno hunt, but keep a close eye, as nice as these plants are, I need a plant that will work well with my gardening practices.

Ever try super-cropping instead of topping? Its WAY less stress for the plant and more work for the farmer but you time to harvest isn't compromised and neither are yields. [flame suit on].

Most all IHG gear in my gardens can get up to 10' tall indoors so I'm always training them. Outside last season I had a plant get to 14' in a 30 gal container. Was a beauty and best weed ever. I made a cross Wifi x Jellium. She was a beauty.
 
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Ever try super-cropping instead of topping? Its WAY less stress for the plant and more work for the farmer but you time to harvest isn't compromised and neither are yields. [flame suit on].

Most all IHG gear in my gardens can get up to 10' tall indoors so I'm always training them. Outside last season I had a plant get to 14' in a 30 gal container. Was a beauty and best weed ever. I made a cross Wifi x Jellium. She was a beauty.

I have super cropped in the past, but I never considered it as a means to reduce the apical dominance, thanks for the idea, I will definitely be giving that a shot on the next cycle.
 

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