Down to Earth Dry Amendments/ feeding

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Hello all ive been putting off making an account and posting in the fourns of fear of looking like a dumbass but I really feel like I havent found my answer. Im all about trial and error rather than asking questions Im just not trying to spend to much more money as this is just one of my hobbies.
OK so basically this is my second grow and this time im trying to dial in on my feeding and watering my plants better. Last time i felt I started to pick up on it a little to late. Anyways Im using Down to Earth 4-4-4 dry amendments. I want to start doing conpost teas aswell. I guess what im rambling on about is.... when I top dress should I use the 4-4-4 and mix it with stuff like earth worm castings etc etc or is that what the compost tea is for? Orrr are they the same orrr is the compost tea like a boost between foods because its slow release. Any help would be cool also im growing in coco in a 4x4 King LED 1500w (and about to purchase a second one.) the five are my IlGM regular Durban Poison seeds and the other two are some clones from my first bag seed grow. Thank you if you actually take some time to read my novel snd help me figure this out. This hobby means a lot to me. Im not just another stoner that thinks its cool to grow his own stash. This last year of growing has been a huge eye opener for me and ive found a deeper love for botany. Im rambling must be that stativa.
 
az2000

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Im using Down to Earth 4-4-4 dry amendments. I want to start doing compost teas as well.
im growing in coco
I've never grown in coco. Maybe someone who has will give a better reply. But, I don't think that will work. I think you need to use coco-specific (synthetic) nutrients, directly available. I think the DtE products are more for organically-active soil.

Maybe it's better to ask, how did you come up with this combination? Have you seen someone use it successfully? If you're a new grower, usually it's better to start with something that's known to work, something you can follow without much risk of surprise. After you get some experience, then experiment with ideas (be able to read the plant, etc.).
 
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A youtuber uses this gia green which is supposed to be the same but its not here in the states only canada. My plants seem to like it they’re 1ft at 5weeks from seed.
 
oldskol4evr

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Hello all ive been putting off making an account and posting in the fourns of fear of looking like a dumbass but I really feel like I havent found my answer. Im all about trial and error rather than asking questions Im just not trying to spend to much more money as this is just one of my hobbies.
OK so basically this is my second grow and this time im trying to dial in on my feeding and watering my plants better. Last time i felt I started to pick up on it a little to late. Anyways Im using Down to Earth 4-4-4 dry amendments. I want to start doing conpost teas aswell. I guess what im rambling on about is.... when I top dress should I use the 4-4-4 and mix it with stuff like earth worm castings etc etc or is that what the compost tea is for? Orrr are they the same orrr is the compost tea like a boost between foods because its slow release. Any help would be cool also im growing in coco in a 4x4 King LED 1500w (and about to purchase a second one.) the five are my IlGM regular Durban Poison seeds and the other two are some clones from my first bag seed grow. Thank you if you actually take some time to read my novel snd help me figure this out. This hobby means a lot to me. Im not just another stoner that thinks its cool to grow his own stash. This last year of growing has been a huge eye opener for me and ive found a deeper love for botany. Im rambling must be that stativa.
im not familar with the 4-4-4,i ave used several of there products,you can use both,but top dress give a week and the tea,you cant over do tea if your mixing for the stage of growth,example,while vegging you want more nitrogen,flower you want more phosphrus and potassium,in coco you have to feed every time,so tea is your best bet ,top scratch what ever amount your gonna use ,then feed tea couple times scratch some more and so on if you dig,after you veg and flip,focus more on manure compost more,that way you can drop most of your n and let the shit give it to the plant,focus more on using guano for p and maybe potash for k,so i make 33 gal at a time,when i use the guano and potash,it only about 2 tbsp of each the rest is handful of compost and kelp is great at this point,any way add to a old pair of panty hose or go to home depot get some the filter bags painters use,if you have egg shell or coffe from the morning feast throw it in,banana peels too,tie off bag and hang were your bubbler can get it going,1/4 cup molasses and let her go good stuff,you could use what you plan but leave your self open for wondering,right wondering if you get a burn or what not,what caused it,in soil about 3 days and you will know,coco about 1 1/2 day and you will know what up,so best bet is to alternate,now if you have a lock out,then the even number NPK isnt gonna work,if your high as hell in nitrogen why would you add more right,conclusion it your plants you have to feel it out either way you go
 
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So you say scratch meaning top dress? If so you’re saying when I top dress i should water it with teas as food while it breaks down and then so on so forth. This is ture I guess just gotta learn how thirst the olant ks bu being catious and backing off ig too much.... As for flowering you say compost as in the tea still? Id start to feed it less 4-4-4 obviously id use something more like 2-8-4 with teas aswell would that work for the flowering stage? Im just really trying to get a grasp on this I appreciate your help so much!!
 
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hey. i did the same method. My first grow started good. then i replanted my autos thinking itll be ok. Stunted all my plants (4).
i used 4-4-4 in veg. then i top dress 2-8-4 when flowering started. did not use any tea. just water. i feel if i didnt replant them i could of had 3x more the yield i got initially. one plant yielded 20g dry (girl scout cookie), 2nd plant about 15 gram, 3rd plant (half the plant) 15g (goriila glue). Last plant of girl scout needs another week or two to harvest.

i feel this method of growing is very simple. as long as u dont get lazy. im exited for my second grow
 
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Hey I’m doing a similar grow style, slow release Dr earth & down to earth in coco.
just wondering how this grow turned out for you @Bagseedsteve
What ratio of amendment to medium are you using? Right now I'm running 2.3 Tsp / 1 gallon of medium. I've seen that there are folks running the stuff at 2 Tbspns / 1 gallon of medium.
 
bigbagofbuds

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So you say scratch meaning top dress? If so you’re saying when I top dress i should water it with teas as food while it breaks down and then so on so forth. This is ture I guess just gotta learn how thirst the olant ks bu being catious and backing off ig too much.... As for flowering you say compost as in the tea still? Id start to feed it less 4-4-4 obviously id use something more like 2-8-4 with teas aswell would that work for the flowering stage? Im just really trying to get a grasp on this I appreciate your help so much!!
What ratio of amendment to medium are you using? Right now I'm running 2.3 Tsp / 1 gallon of medium. I've seen that there are folks running the stuff at 2 Tbspns / 1 gallon of medium.
I used this method with success for 2 auto flowering plants that went 74 days and harvested around 4 ounces total (first grow).
I used 5 gallon air pots with 75% coco coir and 25% perlite.
I initially amended with 2 tbsp per gallon of 4-4-4 (I would change this to 75% 4-4-4, and 25% 2-8-4, I got some early nitrogen toxicity but it went away after introducing 2-8-4 with the first re-amendment)
I re-amended with 4 tbsp total (2 1/2 teaspoons per gallon) every 4 weeks.
I brewed compost tea and applied at full strength every 2 weeks.

This worked well for the auto flowers, but I have had troubles with the photo periods, I'm guessing it wasn't enough nutrients for the longer life of a photo period but have yet to harvest those so things are still in progress.

My understanding is that the compost tea is mostly for the microbial life boost and does not provide much nutrition if only the tea is applied, you can however brew the tea using your dry amendments and then top dress with the solids after brewing the tea and finish off with watering the tea in.

A majority of the nutrients in the dry amendments are not water soluble and must be consumed by microorganisms before they can be made available to the plant.

@Bagseedsteve let us know how that harvest went and if you did something different this year!
 
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