Durban Poison with Vivosun self feeding pots in coco/perlite

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Is that an app you take pictures of your plants or something and it tells you the possible deficiency or toxicity?


Do your wicks only cover the middle of the pot or do they extend to the edges of the pot also?

Here is a pic of how my ACI wicks are ran in my bases, 3 gallon pots also. Where the wicks go into the bases is where the outside edge of my pots sit.

I use two 16" pieces of wicks per base.
Idk if thay helps with anything lol
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Hey Newty, The IPad app I use is called GrowDoc and it’s free on the Apple App Library. It scans your leaf photos for diagnosing plant issues. They make you watch commercials while processing photos if you don’t get the paid version. I find it a nice first pass or verification, but I don’t think it’s always correct. It provided me with three potential issues facing my plant based on the photo.

As far as your wicks, thanks for the clarification. I believe I ran my AC Infinity wicks the same way. Vivosun had a different square design that really misses the bottom edges of larger containers like 5 gallon pots. I think the AC Infinity stock wick design is probably better….especially for 5 gallons. Seems easy enough to modify. I do think that the next time I do a coco grow I’m going back to 5 gallon pots…….ill run those wicks further for the 5 gallon.
 
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Hey Newty, The IPad app I use is called GrowDoc and it’s free on the Apple App Library. It scans your leaf photos for diagnosing plant issues. They make you watch commercials while processing photos if you don’t get the paid version. I find it a nice first pass or verification, but I don’t think it’s always correct. It provided me with three potential issues facing my plant based on the photo.

As far as your wicks, thanks for the clarification. I believe I ran my AC Infinity wicks the same way. Vivosun had a different square design that really misses the bottom edges of larger containers like 5 gallon pots. I think the AC Infinity stock wick design is probably better….especially for 5 gallons. Seems easy enough to modify. I do think that the next time I do a coco grow I’m going back to 5 gallon pots…….ill run those wicks further for the 5 gallon.
Luckily the app is available for android also, just downloaded it!

Modifying the bases should be no problem, easy enough to drill new holes.

I want to go to 5 gallon as well. I've always wondered though if it would be less efficient because there's more medium to wet then a 3 gallon. Maybe the extra weight evens it out though.

I wondered if I cut 2 holes in the bottom of my pots and weaved the wick into the pot and back out into the bases.
Would it wick water better since 1 wick is inside making direct contact with the soil? 🤷‍♂️
I would still run 1 wick the normal way but the other would actually run through the pot.
 
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Luckily the app is available for android also, just downloaded it!

Modifying the bases should be no problem, easy enough to drill new holes.

I want to go to 5 gallon as well. I've always wondered though if it would be less efficient because there's more medium to wet then a 3 gallon. Maybe the extra weight evens it out though.

I wondered if I cut 2 holes in the bottom of my pots and weaved the wick into the pot and back out into the bases.
Would it wick water better since 1 wick is inside making direct contact with the soil? 🤷‍♂️
I would still run 1 wick the normal way but the other would actually run through the pot.
Glad you found the app on Android. It’s helpful but not perfect.

I agree….5 gallon minimum from now on with these feeders. I think bing able to hold more moisture in the root zone would help.

A wick through the fabric pot would definitely improve the wicking, but I feel like it would be too much work to keep it clean. I’m not impressed with the Vivosun wicks based on the lack of wicking action I’m seeing on one plant today. I’m going to work to upgrade from 1/6 inch wicks to 1/4 inch wicks and I plan to add more wicks to each pot too. I never experienced this with the AC Infinity bases.
 
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Today I noticed a little lighter container than I like to see since it’s holding less water….makes me question the wicking action again using my small 3gallon fiber pots on these Vivosun self-feeding bases. Coco needs to stay moist. I don’t believe that my plants are wicking sufficient liquid even through the wicks that I cleaned a few days ago.

Since today is 27 degrees and overcast, I think I’ll stay indoors and add wicks to these reservoirs. The original wicks are the “dirty” inner square. I added the white 1/6 inch wicks across the middle and outside to improve nutrient flow.
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Here are all of the wicks that will be pulling nutrients now……doubles from 8 wicks to 16 wicks

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I think there are a few issues with the Viviosun wicks. Firstly, the wicks are fed through very tight rubber grommets. I believe these rubber grommets act as a choke point and restrict nutrient flow to the wicks on top of the reservoirs that contact the fiber pots. Net….flow is restricted (especially over time as the wicks clog)

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I also think the 1/6inch wicks are insufficient for carrying nutrients to my plants. I upgraded to 1/4 inch wicks for my new wicks.

I still appreciate the access panel on the Vivosun, but I think the “stock” wicking design on the AC Infinity is superior because it does not need to be modified.
 
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Plants look good!

I will say though that I use ACI self-watering bases and have no issues using a scrog.
You just remove the water gauge and refill through that hole.
I also have "pot holders" I made myself that will allow me to keep my scrog and plants in place and I can remove the bases from underneath them during any point of growth to clean them and put them back.

Was just mentioning in case you ever setup another tent or something and want to try them.

I do like the shape of the Vivosun bases though

I also wish I would of went with 5 gallon pots.

ACI bases in a 4x2 with scrog.
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Reminds me of:
The Fast And The Furious 2
 
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It’s taken several years to collect all of the pieces, but I finally have a good environment set up with an external heater, humidifier and dehumidifier. Not much room in the small 2x4 tent for equipment inside the tent.

Plants look good today….growing quickly and starting to fill the SCROG net.

The dehumidifier won’t fire up until we start flowering.

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Well done! Thats a great looking setup! I have been eyeballing those SF dehumidifiers and the new heaters they have!
 
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Well done! Thats a great looking setup! I have been eyeballing those SF dehumidifiers and the new heaters they have!
Thanks! The SF Dehumidifier is the one unit I haven’t had to use yet. I’m not even sure how I will use it except that I might run it in the 12 nighttime hours exclusively.

I am regretting that purchase at the moment because I’m not sure of the best way to run it. It sources air from the lung room and pumps it into the tent directly. If I pump a flowering tent full of fresh air, it’s probably going to create a pressurized environment and my odor- containment won’t work as air will exhaust from my intake port. The only solution i can think of is to run the exhaust fan at an equal or greater airflow, in which case I’m just wasting electricity, right?

I’m probably overthinking this one….haha
 
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You probably double clutch too huh!?😂✌️
Actually..... I always rev match my down shifts, heal/toe shift into corners, and trail brake when needed to hit the apex.
I have flat foot/quick shift (clutchless) for my upshifts.
I have an Auto Blipper for down shifts but I'm building a harness for it that's going to take a little bit so for now I'll just keep rev matching.

Not trying to derail your thread OP but I like lightweight cars, turbos, and AWD so I couldn't resist commenting 😉 😂
 
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I think N deficiency is seen as yellowing in the older leaves rather than new growth. I thought I had N deficiency cuz new growth was a bit yellow - turns out it was light stress

I turned the intensity down 3% and they looked better (tops greener) within a few hours. Worth a try - if there's no difference then turn it back up!

Too much light could also slow the stretch


hey newty, i'm just gonna throw this out there, i don't agree that too

much light slows the stretch. in my system we used to run 12-1400ppm

veg formula (usually like week 4 of gh growth chart). we would run this

into the flip under 1k watt hps. usually only 3-4 days bc of incredibly

fast growth - up to 12-14 inches per day!. i would then go to a transition

mix of equal parts gh g-b-m @ 1000 - 1200ppm to slow them down

some, otherwise they'd be into the [ceiling mounted] lights in no time.

after 1 week transition period back to full strength bloom starting

900-1000 & increasing ea day, over 3-4 days, until back up to 12-1400.


now i'm not saying do what i do, i'm saying this is what i 've done.

i'm just pointing out the absolute potential of this truly magical,

magnificent and miraculous plant. don't sell them short due to

others preconceived or flat out wrong information. i'm rusty &

crusty now, but back in the day i was fecking good @ this shite.

oh, we were growing a NL hybrid. (allegedly)

hoping not to offend (too many, maybe just @Gmix) 😜

-peace-

ps you already know how i feel about flushing "if in doubt, flush it out"

me personally, every 7 days religiously. there is no "flush recovery time" bc

they are only without for 1-2 hrs then immediately replaced 100%
 
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Not trying to derail your thread OP
Thats my bad. Apologies OP : )

Thanks! The SF Dehumidifier is the one unit I haven’t had to use yet. I’m not even sure how I will use it except that I might run it in the 12 nighttime hours exclusively.

I am regretting that purchase at the moment because I’m not sure of the best way to run it. It sources air from the lung room and pumps it into the tent directly. If I pump a flowering tent full of fresh air, it’s probably going to create a pressurized environment and my odor- containment won’t work as air will exhaust from my intake port. The only solution i can think of is to run the exhaust fan at an equal or greater airflow, in which case I’m just wasting electricity, right?

I’m probably overthinking this one….haha
just to make sure I know what you’re talking about ( im confused lol) the heater is what your questioning about air flow and pressures in the tent? If it is the heater. me personally would just bust it out and see where and how I could make it work for me : ) I get if you dont need it yet as you stated, but when the time comes.

I’m not sure if you are over thinking it or not lol. Im an over thinker and can add elements to things that dont need to be there hahaha! You’re asking legit questions in my opinion. I needed to control my humidity and didnt have the equipment for that so I started reading alternative ways to control climate without certain equipment. One of the things I read was creating a (negative pressure) in your grow space can lower your humidity a bit. So I believe you’re on the right track of thought! But again not sure if it’s just over thinking or not. Something to keep in mind while you make your adjustments and add equipment though. Sorry thats not much help with a shit ton of typing hahah! Good luck! 👍✌️
 
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oh, btw,

i absolutely dig your style of growing and your willingness to help others, as well

as your attention to detail. you're really getting your shite dialed in to a science . i have no

doubt that you'll one day earn the title of "Master Grower" if you're not already there already there!

just my 2 cents -peace-

ps
"A true Master knows; he is actually the Student" {original just now}
 
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Thats my bad. Apologies OP : )


just to make sure I know what you’re talking about ( im confused lol) the heater is what your questioning about air flow and pressures in the tent? If it is the heater. me personally would just bust it out and see where and how I could make it work for me : ) I get if you dont need it yet as you stated, but when the time comes.

I’m not sure if you are over thinking it or not lol. Im an over thinker and can add elements to things that dont need to be there hahaha! You’re asking legit questions in my opinion. I needed to control my humidity and didnt have the equipment for that so I started reading alternative ways to control climate without certain equipment. One of the things I read was creating a (negative pressure) in your grow space can lower your humidity a bit. So I believe you’re on the right track of thought! But again not sure if it’s just over thinking or not. Something to keep in mind while you make your adjustments and add equipment though. Sorry thats not much help with a shit ton of typing hahah! Good luck! 👍✌️
Hey dude I got my pressures swapped in what I was saying! Make a “positive” pressure to lower humidity! My bad!✌️
 
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hey man,

in a future grow you could mash up our systems only with

setting up a sump and separate res (size of your choosing, prolly @ least

5gal bucket for one big plant) it would work best with a quick draining media.

i've been thinking of doing same, will start a thread if/when i do


shit, original thought was that it would make your flushes a breeze like

mine are, as often as you want (i think that's how some dwc systems work)

sorry about all the edits, old man and good meds
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oh, btw,

i absolutely dig your style of growing and your willingness to help others, as well

as your attention to detail. you're really getting your shite dialed in to a science . i have no

doubt that you'll one day earn the title of "Master Grower" if you're not already there already there!

just my 2 cents -peace-

ps
"A true Master knows; he is actually the Student" {original just now}
Wow…..thanks Mike! I find that the more I do learn, the more I realize I don’t know. Im still very much a novice who likes to read and watch about growing constantly. I have a long way to go, but I appreciate the kind words!
 
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Wow…..thanks Mike! I find that the more I do learn, the more I realize I don’t know. Im still very much a novice who likes to read and watch about growing constantly. I have a long way to go, but I appreciate the kind words!
hey man, i just call'em like i see'um, i'll be a novice until i go to that great grow in the sky!😉
 
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Thats my bad. Apologies OP : )


just to make sure I know what you’re talking about ( im confused lol) the heater is what your questioning about air flow and pressures in the tent? If it is the heater. me personally would just bust it out and see where and how I could make it work for me : ) I get if you dont need it yet as you stated, but when the time comes.

I’m not sure if you are over thinking it or not lol. Im an over thinker and can add elements to things that dont need to be there hahaha! You’re asking legit questions in my opinion. I needed to control my humidity and didnt have the equipment for that so I started reading alternative ways to control climate without certain equipment. One of the things I read was creating a (negative pressure) in your grow space can lower your humidity a bit. So I believe you’re on the right track of thought! But again not sure if it’s just over thinking or not. Something to keep in mind while you make your adjustments and add equipment though. Sorry thats not much help with a shit ton of typing hahah! Good luck! 👍✌️


Hey Bearwater,
Sorry, I might have been unclear, but my issue is questioning the large airflow from the Spider Farmer dehumidifier into the tent, not the heater. The Spider Farmer dehumidifier (see photo) sits outside the tent and pumps warm dry air into the tent through a 6” vent. That sounds great, but all of that air being pumped into the tent will blow the tent up like a balloon with positive pressure. To relieve the pressure, unfiltered (aroma-laden) air will be forced out of the intake ports during flowering.

I’m going to test it in late flower soon, but I’m questioning whether this was a good purchase given my setup.

I really won’t know until I run it for a few hours to see what happens to the tent VPD (and if the smell stays in the tent)

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hey man,

in a future grow you could mash up our systems only with

setting up a sump and separate res (size of your choosing, prolly @ least

5gal bucket for one big plant) it would work best with a quick draining media.

i've been thinking of doing same, will start a thread if/when i do


shit, original thought was that it would make your flushes a breeze like

mine are, as often as you want (i think that's how some dwc systems work)

sorry about all the edits, old man and good meds
😊
haha….that sounds like fun but it is more flood damage risk than I can handle. Haha. I’m willing to try the individual bucket DWC next, but I don’t see running any pipes between buckets that could leak. With my plumbing skills…..it’s a guaranteed gusher.
 
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