Durban Poison with Vivosun self feeding pots in coco/perlite

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Gmix

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hey newty, i'm just gonna throw this out there, i don't agree that too

much light slows the stretch. in my system we used to run 12-1400ppm

veg formula (usually like week 4 of gh growth chart). we would run this

into the flip under 1k watt hps. usually only 3-4 days bc of incredibly

fast growth - up to 12-14 inches per day!. i would then go to a transition

mix of equal parts gh g-b-m @ 1000 - 1200ppm to slow them down

some, otherwise they'd be into the [ceiling mounted] lights in no time.

after 1 week transition period back to full strength bloom starting

900-1000 & increasing ea day, over 3-4 days, until back up to 12-1400.


now i'm not saying do what i do, i'm saying this is what i 've done.

i'm just pointing out the absolute potential of this truly magical,

magnificent and miraculous plant. don't sell them short due to

others preconceived or flat out wrong information. i'm rusty &

crusty now, but back in the day i was fecking good @ this shite.

oh, we were growing a NL hybrid. (allegedly)

hoping not to offend (too many, maybe just @Gmix) 😜

-peace-

ps you already know how i feel about flushing "if in doubt, flush it out"

me personally, every 7 days religiously. there is no "flush recovery time" bc

they are only without for 1-2 hrs then immediately replaced 100%
 
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hehe... you don't even know brother from across the pond... you don't even know🤓😝🧐
 
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Preparation for my DWC grow in January has started. I have a Seedsman Purple Ghost Candy seed that I’d like to grow as a mother plant, then source multiple clones for my DWC experiment. The goal is to be able to replace plants that I kill in my first attempt at DWC without having to start over with a new seed. I have never cloned successfully or grown in DWC…..it’s all new to me.

My Purple Ghost Candy has sprouted and I’m hoping to clone her in this hydroponic unit in about one month.
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Now….back to the Durban Poison grow which is closing out its third week since 12/12. The stretch is over, so I removed the second scrog net. No real need for it since I didn’t get the expected stretch.

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hehe, welcome to my world brother!

feel free to hit me up if you need any help, it would be very easy

to mash up our systems, they're the same instead of media - me

using rockwool instead coco or clay balls or whatever. good
luck

-peace-

* I've never grown from seed in hydro, you're on your own there
 
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Preparation for my DWC grow in January has started. I have a Seedsman Purple Ghost Candy seed that I’d like to grow as a mother plant, then source multiple clones for my DWC experiment. The goal is to be able to replace plants that I kill in my first attempt at DWC without having to start over with a new seed. I have never cloned successfully or grown in DWC…..it’s all new to me.

My Purple Ghost Candy has sprouted and I’m hoping to clone her in this hydroponic unit in about one month.
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Now….back to the Durban Poison grow which is closing out its third week since 12/12. The stretch is over, so I removed the second scrog net. No real need for it since I didn’t get the expected stretch.

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I think you're gonna get some more stretch... I swear mine grew loads last night! And you flipped after me!
 
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I think you're gonna get some more stretch... I swear mine grew loads last night! And you flipped after me!
I hope you’re right Bubblegumyum! They haven’t grown much in the last week and I was expecting a large stretch from a sativa-heavy strain.
 
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I think you're gonna get some more stretch... I swear mine grew loads last night! And you flipped after me!
They only grew two inches last week, but I think one inch of that was last night. The top of the canopy is only 24” high, so it’s a short scrog. Yours are really growing quickly!
 
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Today I was feeling the weight of my grow bags and one plant feels like it needs water. Again, the wicks are failing to keep it properly watered. Today I installed updated wick systems on all three Vivosun self-feeding bases. Upgraded wick size from 1/4 inch to 1/6 inch.
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I’m seeing the damage from the phosphorous deficiency last week. I wonder if the leaf appearance will improve?
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Enjoyed scrolling/reading through your grow. I enjoy my tall tents. My ceiling is 1" shy of being able to use a 2' extension on my tents. And I have thought about going back to old school 2" x 2" framed grow boxes with reflective foam board so I can get back to floor to ceiling. Haven't deemed it necessary yet. As I want to retire the 3' x 3' tent in favor of a 4' x 4' tent. Always decisions to make concerning the grow setup. I looked at doing the watering setup like your using. But my mind was having issues with the wicking and knowing how much water some of my grows can use at times. And my smallest pots are 5 gal. So that would cut out my 7, 10 and 15 gal. options. I was also at a crossroads of ditching the bottle nutes or going dry ferts. I ended up ditching the bottles for Gaia Green and only keep a few bottle nutes around if something goes sideways and I need to bump the nutes around a bit. Tall tents ROCK! 🤜🤛 🤙

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Enjoyed scrolling/reading through your grow. I enjoy my tall tents. My ceiling is 1" shy of being able to use a 2' extension on my tents. And I have thought about going back to old school 2" x 2" framed grow boxes with reflective foam board so I can get back to floor to ceiling. Haven't deemed it necessary yet. As I want to retire the 3' x 3' tent in favor of a 4' x 4' tent. Always decisions to make concerning the grow setup. I looked at doing the watering setup like your using. But my mind was having issues with the wicking and knowing how much water some of my grows can use at times. And my smallest pots are 5 gal. So that would cut out my 7, 10 and 15 gal. options. I was also at a crossroads of ditching the bottle nutes or going dry ferts. I ended up ditching the bottles for Gaia Green and only keep a few bottle nutes around if something goes sideways and I need to bump the nutes around a bit. Tall tents ROCK! 🤜🤛 🤙

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Thank you Blastfact! Cool setup you have there!! Same tent! I was forced to buy a tall tent when I had a plant grow to 56” tall last year. Fortunately the person who originally built this house put in tall basement ceilings so I can get the full extension. As far as this grow goes, I didn’t need the headroom with my short 24” tall plants in 3 gallon containers.
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I actually prefer the door design on the AC Infinity, but it wasn’t tall enough. My next grow with DWC buckets will hopefully need the height.

You mentioned watering systems for 7 gallons? AC Infinity makes an XL self-feeding wick system designed for 7 gallon pots. Or there’s now an interesting self watering system from Spider Farmer that feeds from a large reservoir. Just more options. I like trying new techniques.

You must grow some monsters with your 7-10-15 gallons pots! I’ll see if you have a journal. If not, how long do you veg?
 
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Thank you Blastfact! Cool setup you have there!! Same tent! I was forced to buy a tall tent when I had a plant grow to 56” tall last year. Fortunately the person who originally built this house put in tall basement ceilings so I can get the full extension. As far as this grow goes, I didn’t need the headroom with my short 24” tall plants in 3 gallon containers.View attachment 2335104

I actually prefer the door design on the AC Infinity, but it wasn’t tall enough. My next grow with DWC buckets will hopefully need the height.

You mentioned watering systems for 7 gallons? AC Infinity makes an XL self-feeding wick system designed for 7 gallon pots. Or there’s now an interesting self watering system from Spider Farmer that feeds from a large reservoir. Just more options. I like trying new techniques.

You must grow some monsters with your 7-10-15 gallons pots! I’ll see if you have a journal. If not, how long do you veg?
Unfortunately I haven't followed through with any of my grow journals. Or taken proper pics for one reason or another. Before retirement I was just to damn busy to mess with it. It took everything I had to work and grow. Then the wife and I got retired and then got hit with health issues. Resulting in several lost grows because either she or I were in the hospital and they just couldn't be followed through with at critical times. But there have been a few grows that have had the lights in the extension.

This Rosetta Stone plant just kept stretching and ended up with the light in the extension. It was in a 7 gal pot. And should have been in a 10 or 15 gal.
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This real Columbian Gold plant grown from 1975 bag seed completely took over the tent and was in flower 20+ weeks. It was also in a 7 gal pot and needed a larger pot.
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Some grows end up needing a gallon a day or better when there growing hard and maybe watered/fed twice a day. Larger pots make life better when they get big and drink like livestock...
 
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"There are still the remnants of what I believe was a magnesium deficiency from not buffering all of my coco adequately."

I've been growing in coco for about a half dozen years and have tried several variations. Reusing fert water was a disaster. I set up automatic fertigations 5 x's a day. I had the plants on a shower pan and the run-off would return to the holding tank. Within a few days problems arose like what you've been seeing.

I did this to get away from hand fertigating 3-5 x's a day. I obviously stopped using that set up and instead drained the waste water into the poris gopher hole ridden ground.

Drain to waste seems to be the best way to grow in coco but the hardest to set up indoors. I've seen a collection vessel and sump pump set up but you need a low area to collect the waste water.

Enjoying the thread😘
 
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Great news on the Vivosun wick modification!! My plants are now wicking moisture again. Each plant wicked .3 gallons since I swapped wicks. I lifted each pot too to verify……they are holding more water.

My advice…..add more 1/4 inch wicks before you even start using them.

"There are still the remnants of what I believe was a magnesium deficiency from not buffering all of my coco adequately."

I've been growing in coco for about a half dozen years and have tried several variations. Reusing fert water was a disaster. I set up automatic fertigations 5 x's a day. I had the plants on a shower pan and the run-off would return to the holding tank. Within a few days problems arose like what you've been seeing.

I did this to get away from hand fertigating 3-5 x's a day. I obviously stopped using that set up and instead drained the waste water into the poris gopher hole ridden ground.

Drain to waste seems to be the best way to grow in coco but the hardest to set up indoors. I've seen a collection vessel and sump pump set up but you need a low area to collect the waste water.

Enjoying the thread😘

Thanks PlumberSoCal! I did this self-feeding base to get away from hand fertigation too! They are extremely easy to use. Between the constant feedings and vacuuming out runoff water with hand fertigation, it was a huge time investment and it felt like a waste of nutrients before I started using these.

Vivosun actually has a small pump (called Flex Feed Drip System) that will fertigate the plants sitting on these bases using the nutrients in the 1.3 gallon base. See attached….small pump is shown sitting in bottom right corner with tubes feeding the top of the plant. I would need to replace nutrients every 2-3 days I suspect, but it would prevent the salt buildup I’m dealing with. If I weren’t moving towards a DWC grow next, I’d be inclined to try this. Maybe next winter.

I survived my last grow with only 1-2 flushes. I’m hopeful that I can finish this shorter grow with only one more flush needed. But this little Vivosun $18.00 pump looks promising.
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Unfortunately I haven't followed through with any of my grow journals. Or taken proper pics for one reason or another. Before retirement I was just to damn busy to mess with it. It took everything I had to work and grow. Then the wife and I got retired and then got hit with health issues. Resulting in several lost grows because either she or I were in the hospital and they just couldn't be followed through with at critical times. But there have been a few grows that have had the lights in the extension.

This Rosetta Stone plant just kept stretching and ended up with the light in the extension. It was in a 7 gal pot. And should have been in a 10 or 15 gal.
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This real Columbian Gold plant grown from 1975 bag seed completely took over the tent and was in flower 20+ weeks. It was also in a 7 gal pot and needed a larger pot.
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Some grows end up needing a gallon a day or better when there growing hard and maybe watered/fed twice a day. Larger pots make life better when they get big and drink like livestock.. a hard time working pots

Beautiful plants!! I think I’d have a difficult time handling pots and plants that large in my basement. Haha. They’re huge and better-trained than anything I’ve grown. When I experimented with infrared and UV last year, my plants grew very tall but the amount of bud on them was relatively small and they weren’t as filled out as yours.



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Great news on the Vivosun wick modification!! My plants are now wicking moisture again. Each plant wicked .3 gallons since I swapped wicks. I lifted each pot too to verify……they are holding more water.

My advice…..add more 1/4 inch wicks before you even start using them.



Thanks PlumberSoCal! I did this self-feeding base to get away from hand fertigation too! They are extremely easy to use. Between the constant feedings and vacuuming out runoff water with hand fertigation, it was a huge time investment and it felt like a waste of nutrients before I started using these.

Vivosun actually has a small pump (called Flex Feed Drip System) that will fertigate the plants sitting on these bases using the nutrients in the 1.3 gallon base. See attached….small pump is shown sitting in bottom right corner with tubes feeding the top of the plant. I would need to replace nutrients every 2-3 days I suspect, but it would prevent the salt buildup I’m dealing with. If I weren’t moving towards a DWC grow next, I’d be inclined to try this. Maybe next winter.

I survived my last grow with only 1-2 flushes. I’m hopeful that I can finish this shorter grow with only one more flush needed. But this little Vivosun $18.00 pump looks promising.
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I really like that top drip feeder option. Thats a cool upgrade option. Especially for coco.
 
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Greetings! A cold 21 degrees outside and it’s a great day in the garden except for the new leaf issues on the middle plant. It’s only on a few colas at the moment but I need to correct this.

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I’m not good at diagnosing leaf issues…..but I’m guessing that this is either nutrient burn or a potassium deficiency. My GrowDoc application is guess that it is from ph fluctuation. If this looks familiar, I welcome input.

Topped off the reservoirs. They drank/wicked almost 1 gallon per plant since yesterday, so I’m pleased that they’re getting sufficient food and water now. I’m concerned about the deficiencies I’ve been seeing and I decided to move back to Heads Formula. Fed 6ml Micro, 9ml Bloom, 1.5ml CalMag. Ph’d to 5.9. If the salts from a heavier nutrient schedule build up, I’ll do another flush.

Stay warm out there….


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Greetings! A cold 21 degrees outside and it’s a great day in the garden except for the new leaf issues on the middle plant. It’s only on a few colas at the moment but I need to correct this.

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I’m not good at diagnosing leaf issues…..but I’m guessing that this is either nutrient burn or a potassium deficiency. My GrowDoc application is guess that it is from ph fluctuation. If this looks familiar, I welcome input.

Topped off the reservoirs. They drank/wicked almost 1 gallon per plant since yesterday, so I’m pleased that they’re getting sufficient food and water now. I’m concerned about the deficiencies I’ve been seeing and I decided to move back to Heads Formula. Fed 6ml Micro, 9ml Bloom, 1.5ml CalMag. Ph’d to 5.9. If the salts from a heavier nutrient schedule build up, I’ll do another flush.

Stay warm out there….


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Try changing the fertigated water once a day or once every other day in just one pot and see if it makes a difference. Again, these are the same types of issues I ran into from reusing fertigated water😉
 
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how big are your pots? and are they sucking completely dry? my thought is; if they are sucking up 100% of the solution on feeding day, they are sucking up 100 % of the nutes and it may be 2 hot for them. my situation of course is different, but night b4 last i mixed up a batch of nutes and let it sit to buffer for 5 minutes, welp; i then immediately forgot about it until 8hrs later. by then she had drank it down to within 1.5" of the bottom of my bucket and the ppms were up to 1750ppm and ph of 5.0. i normally run a range of 12-1500ppm/5.8-6.2 and don't worry much until it gets above 1800ppm, which is territory where i'll start to see some burnt tipsz. i haven't seen any [burnt tips] yet, but i'm kind of expecting to. just something to think about -peace-
 
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Try changing the fertigated water once a day or once every other day in just one pot and see if it makes a difference. Again, these are the same types of issues I ran into from reusing fertigated water😉
how big are your pots? and are they sucking completely dry? my thought is; if they are sucking up 100% of the solution on feeding day, they are sucking up 100 % of the nutes and it may be 2 hot for them. my situation of course is different, but night b4 last i mixed up a batch of nutes and let it sit to buffer for 5 minutes, welp; i then immediately forgot about it until 8hrs later. by then she had drank it down to within 1.5" of the bottom of my bucket and the ppms were up to 1750ppm and ph of 5.0. i normally run a range of 12-1500ppm/5.8-6.2 and don't worry much until it gets above 1800ppm, which is territory where i'll start to see some burnt tipsz. i haven't seen any [burnt tips] yet, but i'm kind of expecting to. just something to think about -peace-

I’m not doing any fertigation with these except when they get flushed. Everything is being fed from the 1.3 gallon reservoir they sit on. All nutrients and water are delivered via wicks. My reservoirs are sitting at 900ppm, so I’m well below Mike’s 1500ppm. My ph is at 6.0.

I did run some nutrients through the second plant without giving her a good flush when she dried out, so now I’m wondering if the salt content in her root zone is high. If it spreads, I’ll do a flush on plant number two.
 
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I’m not doing any fertigation with these except when they get flushed. Everything is being fed from the 1.3 gallon reservoir they sit on. All nutrients and water are delivered via wicks. My reservoirs are sitting at 900ppm, so I’m well below Mike’s 1500ppm. My ph is at 6.0.

I did run some nutrients through the second plant without giving her a good flush when she dried out, so now I’m wondering if the salt content in her root zone is high. If it spreads, I’ll do a flush on plant number two.
i wouldn't really go by my 1500 number, i only go that high on accident, mostly when trying to mix small batches . my situation is different bc i feed 24/7, as long as they have fresh highly oxygenated solution running over them, they pull from it what they need and leave the rest behind without burning. don't do what i do, unless you are A: experienced at it or B: if you run the same or very similar system as mine. or C: if you ain't scairt to possibly nuke some plants until you get it figured out. i want to put together [on paper] comprehensive instructions on my system, but organizational skills aren't my strong suit. i'll have to do it in a word file, but my puter's on the brink and i can't open word. - however, i will eventually get to it ✌️
 
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