Dwc And Rdwc Oxygenation – The Art Of Salesmanship And Making Money

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How many of you are water chiller fans here? Let’s take a closer look trying to solve a low oxygen problem with cold water and a water chiller.

Dissolved Oxygen in Hydroponics – Dissolved oxygen in hydroponics is that missing link to faster growth rated, healthier plants and even bigger yields. http://www.grozine.com/2014/01/31/dissolved-oxygen-in-hydroponics/

[DISSOLVED OXYGEN and the immediate pivot] - A Chiller increases Dissolved Oxygen in Hydroponics for faster growth and healthier crops.

… most growers are aware that their plants use CO2 (carbon dioxide) through their leaves, and know they may increase growth rates by increasing these levels. However, few “think O2” when contemplating what is propelling their garden forward in the hopes of achieving health yields.

Just like in humans, O2 is critical for respiration-when plants actually use all the sugars they manufacture during light hours to grow, this mostly happens during the dark cycle. You can load your crops with carbs, but if they don’t have enough O2, that can become a limiting factor in how much of those carbs they can “burn” for growth. Oxygen availability in the root zone is highly critical for root health and nutrient uptake. In warm and wet conditions, oxygen levels are low because colder water holds much, much more water oxygen-as do the pore spaces around the roots when empty. [air is the limiting factor for oxygenation – air contains only 20% oxygen and a whopping 80% nitrogen]

The relationship of dissolved oxygen levels to temperature in hydroponics [absolutely, see Henry’s Law -- William Henry in 1803. It states: "At a constant temperature, the amount of a given gas that dissolves in a given type and volume of liquid is directly proportional to the partial pressure of that gas in equilibrium with that liquid."]

Once the pore spaces become depleted of O2 for a period and then coupled with warmer temperatures, rots and diminished uptake are sure to follow. Even though your plants aren’t showing root rot, it doesn’t mean that they are wasting a lot of their valuable energy fighting infections at the roots rather than growing faster; all simply due to a lower O2 level at the roots.

***Typically 16 PPM (parts per million) of DO (dissolved oxygen) at the roots is considered very good. Most healthy growing situations are probably half of that. Double these amounts are possible with specialized technologies that actually dissolve O2 in solutions, rather than just bubble it through (diffusion).

[Your DO choice is personal, Had you rather have “very good oxygenation 16 ppm DO concentration supersaturation” or “good oxygenation 8 ppm DO concentration saturation” or “low oxygenation, root rot and unhealthy plants <8 ppm DO concentration <saturation?” And of course if you are not a RDWC/DWC grower, nutrient oxygenation is meaningless and certainly a waste of your valuable time.]

[Pivot from oxygen to air] - In hydroponic systems, add a small fountain or aquarium circulation pump to your reservoir, and re-circulate the solution 24/7, allowing it to fall through the air back into the tank. When water “falls” it picks up and dissolves O2 into it, and then can deliver it right to your plants roots. Watch the pump doesn’t add too much extra heat to your reservoir. [more heat = even lower dissolved oxygen << DO in solution and additional more sever low oxygen problems]

[Pivot from oxygen to air] - In soil and soilless gardens, the act of watering introduces O2 into the root zone, because typically, the water is travelling through the air and percolating into the soil, carrying O2 along with it. Improving drainage allows for more frequent waterings and therefore a more frequent replenishment of O2 levels. Note that O2 gets depleted quickly.

[Another pivot from oxygen back to air] “…draw a HUGE amount of air into the rootzone” INSIDER TIP: if watering soil plants in containers, “Shop-Vac” up the excess run off from trays, troughs, floors, etc that your containers are on right after you water. When sucking up the solution below (that is still connected, drop by drop to the roots) on the floor or saucer with a Vac, you will draw a HUGE amount of air into the rootzone. You can actually see it with your eyes,

The art of deal is salesmanship, if you need more oxygen, refrigerate the water and sell more water chillers. Confusing oxygen with air and air with oxygen, chill water if you need more oxygen and the point is to sell water chillers.

Do any of you really know how much dissolved oxygen is in your RDWC/DWC solution? How do you know when you need more dissolved oxygen? Have you ever actually tested the DO Saturation in your nutrient solution?

The final and most direct correction for any and all low oxygen problems is very simple – reverse the low oxygen deficit by dissolving a higher concentration of oxygen into your water – oxygen concentration greater than 20% oxygen (air) and apply Henry’s Law.
 
Midwestjay

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How many of you are water chiller fans here? Let’s take a closer look trying to solve a low oxygen problem with cold water and a water chiller.

Dissolved Oxygen in Hydroponics – Dissolved oxygen in hydroponics is that missing link to faster growth rated, healthier plants and even bigger yields. http://www.grozine.com/2014/01/31/dissolved-oxygen-in-hydroponics/

[DISSOLVED OXYGEN and the immediate pivot] - A Chiller increases Dissolved Oxygen in Hydroponics for faster growth and healthier crops.

… most growers are aware that their plants use CO2 (carbon dioxide) through their leaves, and know they may increase growth rates by increasing these levels. However, few “think O2” when contemplating what is propelling their garden forward in the hopes of achieving health yields.

Just like in humans, O2 is critical for respiration-when plants actually use all the sugars they manufacture during light hours to grow, this mostly happens during the dark cycle. You can load your crops with carbs, but if they don’t have enough O2, that can become a limiting factor in how much of those carbs they can “burn” for growth. Oxygen availability in the root zone is highly critical for root health and nutrient uptake. In warm and wet conditions, oxygen levels are low because colder water holds much, much more water oxygen-as do the pore spaces around the roots when empty. [air is the limiting factor for oxygenation – air contains only 20% oxygen and a whopping 80% nitrogen]

The relationship of dissolved oxygen levels to temperature in hydroponics [absolutely, see Henry’s Law -- William Henry in 1803. It states: "At a constant temperature, the amount of a given gas that dissolves in a given type and volume of liquid is directly proportional to the partial pressure of that gas in equilibrium with that liquid."]

Once the pore spaces become depleted of O2 for a period and then coupled with warmer temperatures, rots and diminished uptake are sure to follow. Even though your plants aren’t showing root rot, it doesn’t mean that they are wasting a lot of their valuable energy fighting infections at the roots rather than growing faster; all simply due to a lower O2 level at the roots.

***Typically 16 PPM (parts per million) of DO (dissolved oxygen) at the roots is considered very good. Most healthy growing situations are probably half of that. Double these amounts are possible with specialized technologies that actually dissolve O2 in solutions, rather than just bubble it through (diffusion).

[Your DO choice is personal, Had you rather have “very good oxygenation 16 ppm DO concentration supersaturation” or “good oxygenation 8 ppm DO concentration saturation” or “low oxygenation, root rot and unhealthy plants <8 ppm DO concentration <saturation?” And of course if you are not a RDWC/DWC grower, nutrient oxygenation is meaningless and certainly a waste of your valuable time.]

[Pivot from oxygen to air] - In hydroponic systems, add a small fountain or aquarium circulation pump to your reservoir, and re-circulate the solution 24/7, allowing it to fall through the air back into the tank. When water “falls” it picks up and dissolves O2 into it, and then can deliver it right to your plants roots. Watch the pump doesn’t add too much extra heat to your reservoir. [more heat = even lower dissolved oxygen << DO in solution and additional more sever low oxygen problems]

[Pivot from oxygen to air] - In soil and soilless gardens, the act of watering introduces O2 into the root zone, because typically, the water is travelling through the air and percolating into the soil, carrying O2 along with it. Improving drainage allows for more frequent waterings and therefore a more frequent replenishment of O2 levels. Note that O2 gets depleted quickly.

[Another pivot from oxygen back to air] “…draw a HUGE amount of air into the rootzone” INSIDER TIP: if watering soil plants in containers, “Shop-Vac” up the excess run off from trays, troughs, floors, etc that your containers are on right after you water. When sucking up the solution below (that is still connected, drop by drop to the roots) on the floor or saucer with a Vac, you will draw a HUGE amount of air into the rootzone. You can actually see it with your eyes,

The art of deal is salesmanship, if you need more oxygen, refrigerate the water and sell more water chillers. Confusing oxygen with air and air with oxygen, chill water if you need more oxygen and the point is to sell water chillers.

Do any of you really know how much dissolved oxygen is in your RDWC/DWC solution? How do you know when you need more dissolved oxygen? Have you ever actually tested the DO Saturation in your nutrient solution?

The final and most direct correction for any and all low oxygen problems is very simple – reverse the low oxygen deficit by dissolving a higher concentration of oxygen into your water – oxygen concentration greater than 20% oxygen (air) and apply Henry’s Law.
What do you think about those oxygen tablet?
 
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What do you think about those oxygen tablet?

If you know you have a low oxygen problem that currently exhibits symptoms of root rot, increasing the dissolved oxygen immediately may retard or cure the fungal outbreak… Personally I would prefer to prevent the root rot outbreak by maintain great oxygenation.

Grozine defines “Great Oxygenation” as 16 ppm DO concentration. 16 ppm DO concentration is DO Supersaturation or 200% saturation – that is Grozine’s opinion published in their sales literature. Yes, 200% DO supersaturation does require oxygen enrichment with supplemental oxygen > 20% oxygen.

Why? Because you can’t achieve 16 ppm DO concentration with air or 20% oxygen at 1 atm and a water chiller regardless of the volume of air you pump even using 10-15 diffusers bubbling all that air into a froth.

If you believe Grozine, according to Grozine, 16 PPM DO concentration is absolute best, therefor any/all DO’s less than 16 ppm DO is definitely less than the best. Clearly most RDWC/DWC cannabis growers are very happy with less than the best oxygenation and they just deal with root rot outbreaks caused by low oxygenation in root zones and nutrient solution. Root rot disease is out of site out of mind until symptoms present; then buy chemicals, treat the slime, try to cure the disease and hope, hope for the best. I bet growers really think about and watch for symptoms of root rot as much as they think about having sex, the fungal outbreak is always close and never far from their thoughts.

O-Tabs International, LLC Product literature

Each O-Tab Releases 90% Oxygen and ****10% Carbon Dioxide

*Easier and cheaper than Oxygen refills

*Alternative to bagging with pure oxygen

*An unlimited shelf life (stored in cool dry place)

Secure packaging

O-Tabs do not release air (20% O2) like an air pump and bubble rocks. O-Tabs are a dual purpose panacea releasing plenty of highly concentrated oxygen and high concentration CO2. If this interest you, this may be worth a phone call inquiry. Call and talk directly with the O-Tab CEO about distributor pricing and bulk packaging for the best deal.

I do believe that 90% oxygen is totally superior to 20% oxygen (air) if a low oxygen problem is really the cause of root rot outbreaks in RDWC/DWC cannabis farming. I have seen most RDWC/DWC cannabis growers write that Pythium and other fungi outbreaks are precipitated by low oxygen conditions in root zones and nutrient solutions. Like Grozine - I figure you either have great oxygen supersaturation, minimal safe oxygen saturation or the common normal unsafe low oxygen saturation. The dividing DO line-ppm DO concentration and Oxygen saturation, measured with a DO meter or wait and watch for slimy roots. There is no mistake, it is clear when you have crossed the minimal safe oxygenation line in RDWC/DWC.

***The additional 10% CO2 produced by the O-Tab is the lagniappe - (10% CO2 = 100,000 ppm CO2) for the savvy growers that use CO2. CO2 users might get a jingle with this.

Call O-Tabs International, LLC, see what kind of deal you can make with owner, be a distributer and get rock bottom pricing and volume quantity
 
ken dog

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Again, super high concentrations of dissolved oxygen will probably burn your plants up with the extra nutrients they can update... Care should be taken, and probably, 02 levels should not be supplemented... especially with a chiller already cooling the water for better dissolved oxygen concentrations.
 
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Again, super high concentrations of dissolved oxygen will probably burn your plants up with the extra nutrients they can update... Care should be taken, and probably, 02 levels should not be supplemented... especially with a chiller already cooling the water for better dissolved oxygen concentrations.
The why would Grozine publish information like this on their website when their primary business is selling water chillers on their website.
Could Grozine possibly be breaking out a new product soon that can routinely achieve 16 ppm DO concentration - 200% DO supersaturation without chilling water? Introducing the "best oxygenating product" on the market?
The bullet point of Grozine water chillers advertisement is "maximizing oxygenation," - right?
Again, super high concentrations of dissolved oxygen will probably burn your plants up with the extra nutrients they can update... Care should be taken, and probably, 02 levels should not be supplemented... especially with a chiller already cooling the water for better dissolved oxygen concentrations.
OK, maybe so -maybe no - everyone makes choices, some make good ones and some make less than the best choices; one thing for sure is that fungi opportunist will thrive and do thrive in low oxygen RDWC/DWC environments.
O-Tabs -- So what do you think about the 10% CO2 the Tab produces?
 
ken dog

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Well, the 10% CO2 tabs will probably lower the pH of the water a bit.

Regarding why they would publish the results, why?... Because they are true results.

I am only suggesting that when you increase the dissolved oxygen content higher than recommended (for example, a Current Culture supercharged nutrient chart), One must be careful not to overload the nutrients.

It is entirely possible to burn your plants simply using plain tap water if your dissolved oxygen content is ridiculously high.
 
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Well, the 10% CO2 tabs will probably lower the pH of the water a bit.

Regarding why they would publish the results, why?... Because they are true results.

I am only suggesting that when you increase the dissolved oxygen content higher than recommended (for example, a Current Culture supercharged nutrient chart), One must be careful not to overload the nutrients.

It is entirely possible to burn your plants simply using plain tap water if your dissolved oxygen content is ridiculously high.
It's clear that O-Tabs, 90% oxygen and 10% CO2 are not right for you. Thanks for your opinions and Good Luck.
 
ken dog

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It's clear that O-Tabs, 90% oxygen and 10% CO2 are not right for you. Thanks for your opinions and Good Luck.

Who knows?... It may indeed be right for me. Never the less, this is a discussion forum and you started so many threads on the subject, I figured you want some discussion.
Sorry if I offended.
 
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Who knows?... It may indeed be right for me. Never the less, this is a discussion forum and you started so many threads on the subject, I figured you want some discussion.
Sorry if I offended.
I take absolutely no offence ken, I really do appreciate your time and response.
 
Midwestjay

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If you know you have a low oxygen problem that currently exhibits symptoms of root rot, increasing the dissolved oxygen immediately may retard or cure the fungal outbreak… Personally I would prefer to prevent the root rot outbreak by maintain great oxygenation.

Grozine defines “Great Oxygenation” as 16 ppm DO concentration. 16 ppm DO concentration is DO Supersaturation or 200% saturation – that is Grozine’s opinion published in their sales literature. Yes, 200% DO supersaturation does require oxygen enrichment with supplemental oxygen > 20% oxygen.

Why? Because you can’t achieve 16 ppm DO concentration with air or 20% oxygen at 1 atm and a water chiller regardless of the volume of air you pump even using 10-15 diffusers bubbling all that air into a froth.

If you believe Grozine, according to Grozine, 16 PPM DO concentration is absolute best, therefor any/all DO’s less than 16 ppm DO is definitely less than the best. Clearly most RDWC/DWC cannabis growers are very happy with less than the best oxygenation and they just deal with root rot outbreaks caused by low oxygenation in root zones and nutrient solution. Root rot disease is out of site out of mind until symptoms present; then buy chemicals, treat the slime, try to cure the disease and hope, hope for the best. I bet growers really think about and watch for symptoms of root rot as much as they think about having sex, the fungal outbreak is always close and never far from their thoughts.

O-Tabs International, LLC Product literature

Each O-Tab Releases 90% Oxygen and ****10% Carbon Dioxide

*Easier and cheaper than Oxygen refills

*Alternative to bagging with pure oxygen

*An unlimited shelf life (stored in cool dry place)

Secure packaging

O-Tabs do not release air (20% O2) like an air pump and bubble rocks. O-Tabs are a dual purpose panacea releasing plenty of highly concentrated oxygen and high concentration CO2. If this interest you, this may be worth a phone call inquiry. Call and talk directly with the O-Tab CEO about distributor pricing and bulk packaging for the best deal.

I do believe that 90% oxygen is totally superior to 20% oxygen (air) if a low oxygen problem is really the cause of root rot outbreaks in RDWC/DWC cannabis farming. I have seen most RDWC/DWC cannabis growers write that Pythium and other fungi outbreaks are precipitated by low oxygen conditions in root zones and nutrient solutions. Like Grozine - I figure you either have great oxygen supersaturation, minimal safe oxygen saturation or the common normal unsafe low oxygen saturation. The dividing DO line-ppm DO concentration and Oxygen saturation, measured with a DO meter or wait and watch for slimy roots. There is no mistake, it is clear when you have crossed the minimal safe oxygenation line in RDWC/DWC.

***The additional 10% CO2 produced by the O-Tab is the lagniappe - (10% CO2 = 100,000 ppm CO2) for the savvy growers that use CO2. CO2 users might get a jingle with this.

Call O-Tabs International, LLC, see what kind of deal you can make with owner, be a distributer and get rock bottom pricing and volume quantity
I run over 500gph of air per bucket. I just wanted to know if they would work as a booster for the o2. I guess I'll call.
 
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I run over 500gph of air per bucket. I just wanted to know if they would work as a booster for the o2. I guess I'll call.
90% oxygen in O-Tabs is much, much more oxygen than 20% oxygen in air. 90% O2 - 20% O2 = 70% more oxygen in O-Tabs than in air.
The boost is an additional 70% more O2 if my calculation is correct.
 
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90% oxygen in O-Tabs is much, much more oxygen than 20% oxygen in air. 90% O2 - 20% O2 = 70% more oxygen in O-Tabs than in air.
The boost is an additional 70% more O2 if my calculation is correct.
They use them in fish tanks, Idk how they can hurt a plant. Ima have to do more research. There's multiple brands.
 
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So I usually run for air stones in my dwc but I was pretty concerned that temperature was the main cause of root rot versus Air. I use a 45 litre active auqua pump.
 
ken dog

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I just use compost tea to combat

I did 3 runs of beneficials in my CC system, but because I kept my temperatures at 68 or 69 Fahrenheit, they really didn't have a chance to work as well as they could have, at say, 73 or 74 Fahrenheit.
That said, I ran a combination of synthetic and organic that were chelated, so they were taken in by the roots in any case.
 

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