F1 Hybrids – The Future Of Cannabis

[RoyalQueenSeeds]

Hi growers!

Many of you have already heard about our F1 Hybrids — these next-gen seeds offer stable, uniform crops thanks to their unique breeding process. It’s been two years since we launched them, but we know there are still plenty of questions out there.

We’d love to hear from you! Drop your questions here and we’ll do our best to answer them all. And if you’ve already grown F1 Hybrids, share your experience with us — we’re excited to hear your thoughts!

 

[TheGoldenRoad]

Awesome! I’m sure a lot of people will enjoy those.

 

[OldSchoolest]

Hi growers!

Many of you have already heard about our F1 Hybrids — these next-gen seeds offer stable, uniform crops thanks to their unique breeding process. It’s been two years since we launched them, but we know there are still plenty of questions out there.

We’d love to hear from you! Drop your questions here and we’ll do our best to answer them all. And if you’ve already grown F1 Hybrids, share your experience with us — we’re excited to hear your thoughts!

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Thanks to “their” breeding processes?

As in the people that bred them?

As in a white label partner?



Just kidding

 

[FirstTimeFarmer]

They do what they say they will do. Good for first timers. I had F1 titian.

 

[OldSchoolest]

I’m sure they do!

I just don’t trust big seed companies, and their practices!

Too much branding, and not enough focus.

Like instead of 5 million hype strains usually crafted with reversing clone only strains, I’d rather 5 strains that have been worked and tested enough to know what the phenotypic variation looks like, and what those phenotypes are…rather than a photo of the keeper they used from a 500 seed hunt!

I’m not saying Royal Queen actually does any of this stuff ha ha, but big companies have messed up the game for other big companies for me.

 

[amneziaHaze]

is a f1 hybrid breeding without breeding like just cross 2 different strains and done. no selfing and isolating the phenos to get the same plant in every seed....

"If you thought all cannabis hybrids are created equal, think again. F1 hybrids are the future of cannabis genetics, offering unrivalled stability, vigour, and yields. Unlike regular hybrids, which can be created by crossing virtually any two cannabis plants"
does this mean all the rest of your seeds are just random pollen chucks?

 

[ATLien415]

Yall should explain more about the process. To me, with your advertising, it implies directly that yall are going into S4 or deeper on each side...to do a 'classical' agricultural tek F1 hybridization, like corn or soy, which would be different than the run-of-the-mill "F1" or filial generation one seeds around.

It is worrisome to see only autos on your list. Where are your photoperiods and where are the regs? Are yall doing polyploids?

The only logical reason to be doing only feminized autos is that your next step is to make them polyploids as well, becoming the next monsanto but for cannabis.

 

[RoyalQueenSeeds]

Thanks to “their” breeding processes?

As in the people that bred them?

As in a white label partner?



Just kidding

When we refer to “their” breeding process, what we mean is the careful selection of the two IBLs and the process of crossing them, to obtain highly uniform and stable strains.

 

[RoyalQueenSeeds]

is a f1 hybrid breeding without breeding like just cross 2 different strains and done. no selfing and isolating the phenos to get the same plant in every seed....

"If you thought all cannabis hybrids are created equal, think again. F1 hybrids are the future of cannabis genetics, offering unrivalled stability, vigour, and yields. Unlike regular hybrids, which can be created by crossing virtually any two cannabis plants"
does this mean all the rest of your seeds are just random pollen chucks?

No, the creation of F1 hybrids goes far beyond simply crossing two different strains. To produce a true F1 hybrid, breeders use IBLs (inbred lines) to ensure genetic stability and strength. That said, this doesn’t mean other strains are less effective, most perform well but can display different phenotypes, which are more affected on growing conditions and environment. What F1 hybrids offer the growing community is the ability to achieve maximum plant potential, plant after plant.

 

[RoyalQueenSeeds]

Yall should explain more about the process. To me, with your advertising, it implies directly that yall are going into S4 or deeper on each side...to do a 'classical' agricultural tek F1 hybridization, like corn or soy, which would be different than the run-of-the-mill "F1" or filial generation one seeds around.

It is worrisome to see only autos on your list. Where are your photoperiods and where are the regs? Are yall doing polyploids?

The only logical reason to be doing only feminized autos is that your next step is to make them polyploids as well, becoming the next monsanto but for cannabis.

Yes, that’s correct. To create F1 hybrids, we first carefully select the parent lines and then bring each one to at least S5 to develop stable IBLs. Once both inbred lines are ready, we cross them to produce the F1 hybrid. You can find more details about the process here.
At the moment, since producing true F1 hybrids takes time, we only offer autoflowering varieties. However, we’re actively working on introducing feminized F1 hybrids as well.

 

[amneziaHaze]

No, the creation of F1 hybrids goes far beyond simply crossing two different strains. To produce a true F1 hybrid, breeders use IBLs (inbred lines) to ensure genetic stability and strength. That said, this doesn’t mean other strains are less effective, most perform well but can display different phenotypes, which are more affected on growing conditions and environment. What F1 hybrids offer the growing community is the ability to achieve maximum plant potential, plant after plant.

Okej i like this explanation. But i fought big seed banks did this as a normal breeding

 

[ATLien415]

From the few solo breeders I am aware of actually doing this type of work, it is hard. An S1 is going to be a distribution of recessives basically. S2 can be garbage. Basically you can get in a hole in S2/S3 but S4 and S5 start getting really consistent. Then you do the filial one, and you have maximized homogeny and maximized vigor, theoretically. I mean S4 and S5s are getting into upper 90%s for homogeny IIRC.

Okej i like this explanation. But i fought big seed banks did this as a normal breeding

 

[NoVC01]

A little breeding basics from Dutch Passion:

https://dutch-passion.com/en/blog/what-are-f1-f2-s1-cannabis-seeds-n1057

 

[amneziaHaze]

From the few solo breeders I am aware of actually doing this type of work, it is hard. An S1 is going to be a distribution of recessives basically. S2 can be garbage. Basically you can get in a hole in S2/S3 but S4 and S5 start getting really consistent. Then you do the filial one, and you have maximized homogeny and maximized vigor, theoretically. I mean S4 and S5s are getting into upper 90%s for homogeny IIRC.

Each s loses some genetic code

 

[NoVC01]

IMO hybridization is complicit with the GMO practices of the "Monsanto Boogeyman"

https://www.pbssocal.org/food-discovery/food/monsanto-poised-to-take-over-the-weed-industry#:~:text=Picture%20the%20future:%20Marijuana%2Dlaced,that's%20organic%20and%20GMO%2Dfree.

 

[Grownsince95]

One of their competitors named Phylos, stole genetic info and samples from thousands of breeders in the name of research, only to start selling their own line of true f1 seeds later on. They currently sponsor ILGM.

I have no evidence that RQS also benefitted from this theft but the whole ordeal has left a horrible taste in my mouth for anyone in this "true f1" market now. It's all about intellectual property patents just like big ag does with corn.

Does @RoyalQueenSeeds use MAS? Probably not if they're sticking to autos because it's not a polygenic trait and passes on easily to the next generation in S1. The link you posted also used a monogenic trait as an example which is anthocyanin expression. Besides THC/CBD and sex expression, every trait that's left is polygenic.

So selfing will reduce heterozygosity by 50% every generation. Theoretically you can never reach zero but breeders generally accept that less than 1% is functionally homozygous. So S7 should be the goal. However, without meticulous selection (or MAS) the accumulation of deleterious recessive alleles can make the plants almost impossible to grow.

Ironically, this inbreeding depression is what makes true F1 heterosis. The parent plants of the corn we all love so much are basically inedible, but they make fine babies

 

[NoVC01]

PLEASE PRESERVE LANDRACE!

 

[NoVC01]

The Evolution of Cannabis Strains: From Landraces to Hybrids

https://stinkblossom.com/the-evolut...tic foundation of all modern cannabis strains.

 

[LoveGrowingIt]

Hi growers!

Hello! Thanks for the thread. We usually buy your seeds.

Many of you have already heard about our F1 Hybrids — these next-gen seeds offer stable, uniform crops thanks to their unique breeding process. It’s been two years since we launched them, but we know there are still plenty of questions out there.

I haven't tried them. I've only read some of the information on your web site. I don't have much interest in stable, uniform crops. Being home growers, we like variation.

We’d love to hear from you! Drop your questions here and we’ll do our best to answer them all. And if you’ve already grown F1 Hybrids, share your experience with us — we’re excited to hear your thoughts!

I have a question: Are F! hybrids for commercial growers?

 

[Eledin]

IMO hybridization is complicit with the GMO practices of the "Monsanto Boogeyman"

https://www.pbssocal.org/food-discovery/food/monsanto-poised-to-take-over-the-weed-industry#:~:text=Picture%20the%20future:%20Marijuana%2Dlaced,that's%20organic%20and%20GMO%2Dfree.

Not all GMO crops are bad. Most of the fruits we eat today are GMO, plantains were not yellow, nor was corn and many other crops that over centuries we have bred to get more productive and faster crops, also more resistent to pests. Just look at pictures of how fruits were in the past, nothing like they look today. If it wasnt for GMO crops, world hunger would be much, much worse.