First time garden is in trouble and i dont have the experience to confidently identify the issue and resolve it please help!!!

[LoveGrowingIt]

Mg, from Epsom Salt, is the central atom in the chlorophyll molecule. It isn't the only element required to make chlorophyll molecules, however. Mg is just the most likely missing element. If another essential element is missing, it can falsely look like Mg deficiency. Zinc (Zn) is one that resembles Mg deficiency. I'm not saying there's a Zn deficiency, I'm mostly just saying symptoms can be misleading.

Epsom Salt has been used by gardeners for a long time. My experience is it's difficult to inhibit Ca uptake due to an imbalance with Mg. Ca deficiency or inhibition is easy to spot and is easily remedied. I use gypsum for it. Also, excess Mg is indicated by very dark green leaves. If the leaves aren't unusually green, then add some Ca.

I just transplanted them to bigger pots 3 days ago.

I first wondered if the problem is P deficiency. It could be. I believe I have seen this before, though. It happened when nutrients were added or changed (usually during early vegetation stage). I'm thinking there may have been an early Mg deficiency. After the plants were transplanted, the roots could access more nutrients, most likely from the Gaia Green 4-4-4 that is in it. Improvement in color then starts in the center of the leaves, resulting in that P-deficiency-like pattern.

 

[Ninjadogma]

Looks like it could be light stress. I have some thoughts but it's probably more bro science than actual science. Sometimes when a plant goes through a rapid growth spurt it will temporarily exhibit what looks like deficiency because even when properly fed it can't keep up with delivering the nutes to all the new growth. I see it in young plants before the roots have had a chance to fully develop. In those cases adding nutes doesn't help because they don't yet have the root structure to deliver them. I'm a living soil grower, I realize things may be different if you grow hydro or in coco coir because they only get what you feed them. And I tip my hat to all you hydro growers, because that's just too much fucking work for me.

 

[Sunasun]

Slowly ramp up your light intensity. Most likely whoever gave you the clone also was giving it way less light so it could focus on rooting.

 

[Captspaulding]

Turn your light down mag def for sure

 

[shoemack]

"I saw it before the transplant but I had fox farm soil the brown bag and I used 12 gal of it. I then added worm casting 10% of my soil as well as Gaia green 4-4-4/ 4tbs a gal soil. And mychorizae for the roots at transplant."

Did you go full dose when you ammended? Did you ammend the new soil? It could be a deficiency yes, could also be a toxicity, funny thing how these things work, thats why we need as much info as possible. If it is a deficiency and started happening right before transplant maybe the plant depleted that soil, if you didnt ammend the new soil then its just getting worse specially after adding extra hungry microorganisms. This is what gaia green all purpose is made of, it has everything your plant needs including calmag. Can you top dress with it? If so maybe trying a small top dress wouldnt hurt, I dont see burnt tips so I doubt they have toxicity, no clawed leaves or tips pointing downwards either. That said, being organic ammendments, it might still get worse before it stops while the nutrients become available.
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So I had transplanted them when I had got them with full ammendment but they weren't as hearty as I wanted after three weeks and I wanted to keep them in the 1 gal pots for a bit longer so I top dressed the soil with the same ammendments. When I top dressed them i noticed a bit of discoloration but not much so about 5 days after the top dress I decided to just transplant them because I was getting concerned with how they were looking its now been 6 days since transplant and ammendments.

 

[shoemack]

Mg, from Epsom Salt, is the central atom in the chlorophyll molecule. It isn't the only element required to make chlorophyll molecules, however. Mg is just the most likely missing element. If another essential element is missing, it can falsely look like Mg deficiency. Zinc (Zn) is one that resembles Mg deficiency. I'm not saying there's a Zn deficiency, I'm mostly just saying symptoms can be misleading.

Epsom Salt has been used by gardeners for a long time. My experience is it's difficult to inhibit Ca uptake due to an imbalance with Mg. Ca deficiency or inhibition is easy to spot and is easily remedied. I use gypsum for it. Also, excess Mg is indicated by very dark green leaves. If the leaves aren't unusually green, then add some Ca.


I first wondered if the problem is P deficiency. It could be. I believe I have seen this before, though. It happened when nutrients were added or changed (usually during early vegetation stage). I'm thinking there may have been an early Mg deficiency. After the plants were transplanted, the roots could access more nutrients, most likely from the Gaia Green 4-4-4 that is in it. Improvement in color then starts in the center of the leaves, resulting in that P-deficiency-like pattern.

Thanks for sharing the knowledge it is greatly appreciated and invaluable this was so overwhelming when I decided to do it!!! It's awesome to have a community to fall back on i am going to post some new pics to see what you think they may be getting better but I'm not sure.

 

[shoemack]

Looks like it could be light stress. I have some thoughts but it's probably more bro science than actual science. Sometimes when a plant goes through a rapid growth spurt it will temporarily exhibit what looks like deficiency because even when properly fed it can't keep up with delivering the nutes to all the new growth. I see it in young plants before the roots have had a chance to fully develop. In those cases adding nutes doesn't help because they don't yet have the root structure to deliver them. I'm a living soil grower, I realize things may be different if you grow hydro or in coco coir because they only get what you feed them. And I tip my hat to all you hydro growers, because that's just too much fucking work for me.

It may have been the light I had the light a bit lower until I noticed something going on with them since I have raised it and transplanted them so I'm hoping they are starting to get better i am going to post new photos I took of them tonight lmk if you think it's getting better I appreciate all the info and time and help this is awesome to have a community like this!!!!

 

[shoemack]

I think they are getting better possibly the one that is a different strain the ub40 doesn't seem to bothered by whatever happened but boy the three mint chocolate chips were really ticked at me lol.

 

[shoemack]

Your nutes are all good, I do the same but with ocean forest and a few more amendments.
And you seeing the deficiency before uppotting, give it a few more days and your ladies are going to be loving life once that 444 begins breaking down.
And put some full spectrum bulbs for your fluorescent. I used to have a 4' 8bulb that I used for my veg for 3 years before I was able to upgrade.
If you have the room and want to have veg and flowering going at the same time, this will be your start once you get your V650

I have been wanting to try to basically get a perpetual garden going i am hoping to do just that and once I get this first tent all done I will grab another tent and have a veg tent and a flower tent.

 

[Che.Martinez]

ok what are u growing in, light, how far/close is your light from plant, how often u water, heat, soil, nutes, ph, ect ect ect

You know what's up

 

[DanielWesterfield]

I have been wanting to try to basically get a perpetual garden going i am hoping to do just that and once I get this first tent all done I will grab another tent and have a veg tent and a flower tent.

Nice, exactly what I was meaning!

 

[shoemack]

So I got the new light today!!! I just wanted to make sure I had my old light on 24/0 the shop light one. This new one is way better and I was wanting to run it on 18/6 that won't make my plants upset will it?

 

[shoemack]

Or make them start to flower? It has to be 12/12 no matter the circumstances?

 

[ganjasurfer4]

Started this grow from clones been growing organically. Now the leaves are changing color any advice would be welcomed thanks in advance for your time!!

Started this grow from clones been growing organically. Now the leaves are changing color any advice would be welcomed thanks in advance for your time!!!

It looks like a magnesium deficiency.
What kind of soil ?
Did you add something for food in soil ?
Do you know the ph of your water ?
Can be a lockout due to other nutrients
But if i had to bet my money, i would say you've been overwatering

 

[DanielWesterfield]

So I got the new light today!!! I just wanted to make sure I had my old light on 24/0 the shop light one. This new one is way better and I was wanting to run it on 18/6 that won't make my plants upset will it?

I'm sure by now you're seeing that your plants are loving your new light
What percent do you have it turned onto

 

[Galgrows]

Or make them start to flower? It has to be 12/12 no matter the circumstances?

No it should not upset them nor should it start to flower. Keep the tent free from light leaks when you want to start flowering on 12/12.

 

[mancorn]

Sounds like you’re in FFHF, which is primarily wood chips with poor drainage. I know the bag says it has “soil microbes” but this is all Mycorrhizae - which forms a network of fine filaments that increase the root’s reach, but don’t directly break down organic matter like bacteria or decomposing fungi. I’d guess that your medium has few if any benificary microbes to break down your fertilizer and provide nutrients.

Are you using tap water? It most likely will provide a fair amount of both Ca & Mg. Mg is a mobile nutrient and should be pulling from the lower leaves. Your plant looks like the growing tips show more yellowing (?)

Finally are you letting your pots dry out. In my experience HF tends to really hold onto water (it’s 60% wood chips). Overwatering looks a lot like nutrient deficiencies.

 

[shoemack]

It looks like a magnesium deficiency.
What kind of soil ?
Did you add something for food in soil ?
Do you know the ph of your water ?
Can be a lockout due to other nutrients
But if i had to bet my money, i would say you've been overwatering

You hit the nail on the head the soil is not drying out like i thought it was. it was over watering I am letting them dry out I haven't watered since Tuesday and they look so much better and are finally almost dry being my first grow of any plant of any kind I was just giving her the old knuckle deep test and not even checking the bottom of the soil it was soaked still......damn my first rookie mistake in the books thanks for all the help I appreciate it I will post some pics later of the girls and show you where they are now!!! Again thanks for the info

 

[shoemack]

I'm sure by now you're seeing that your plants are loving your new light
What percent do you have it turned onto

I have them on 50% power wich at the canopy is giving me around 5 to 6 hundred on the photone app. I was overwatering so they weren't too happy with me but over the last few days they have been just buf
Shing up like crazy!!!!

 

[shoemack]

I have them on 50% power wich at the canopy is giving me around 5 to 6 hundred on the photone app. I was overwatering so they weren't too happy with me but over the last few days they have been just buf
Shing up like crazy!!!!

*Bushing up like crazy. I will post some pics later