Grow deux - Critical Kush in rural Thailand

[IsanFarmer]

soil looks pretty wet, are you waiting for it to dry out a bit before watering again? this soil has amendments in it right? this first days you shouldn't need any nutrients feed tho, i've seen much worse seedlings recover so, you will have to be a little patient.

Patience is a virtue, and one that I don't have! You were right though and they have started to grow fast now that they have recovered. It must have been the transparent cups that slowed their growth because they started to grow once I covered them up. The only thing I have added to my soil is worm castings.

 

[IsanFarmer]

Day 15 and my seedlings are starting to grow fast now. Only 1 of the seeds looks like it's not going to make it but that's ok because I only want 9 plants anyway. Not everyone advocates the use of molasses but it seems that as soon as I started using it they began to grow fast, so I swear by it. I think another few days and I'll transplant them to the 3 gallon pots that they'll stay in, and then I'll start them on the Dutch Pro nutrients I bought. I think it's unlikely I'll have this grow harvested and dried by December 22nd so I can have my holiday as planned but there's still a slim possibility I could. If they grow fast in veg and I can reduce the veg time to about 3.5 weeks this is still doable because this is a fast flowering strain.

 

[Trash_2002]

Day 15 and my seedlings are starting to grow fast now. Only 1 of the seeds looks like it's not going to make it but that's ok because I only want 9 plants anyway. Not everyone advocates the use of molasses but it seems that as soon as I started using it they began to grow fast, so I swear by it. I think another few days and I'll transplant them to the 3 gallon pots that they'll stay in, and then I'll start them on the Dutch Pro nutrients I bought. I think it's unlikely I'll have this grow harvested and dried by December 22nd so I can have my holiday as planned but there's still a slim possibility I could. If they grow fast in veg and I can reduce the veg time to about 3.5 weeks this is still doable because this is a fast flowering strain.

I think it's possible yep, critical crosses usually stretch madly on flower so I think 3.5 weeks veg doable, better than loose holiday vacations hehehe imho ;-)

Living life > harvesting bigger plants

When you get back from Holliday's you can start the year full on again.

 

[IsanFarmer]

I think it's possible yep, critical crosses usually stretch madly on flower so I think 3.5 weeks veg doable, better than loose holiday vacations hehehe imho ;-)

Living life > harvesting bigger plants

When you get back from Holliday's you can start the year full on again.

Do you think I should top these plants? Or do you think 9 topped plants in a 4x4 will run out of room?

 

[Trash_2002]

Do you think I should top these plants? Or do you think 9 topped plants in a 4x4 will run out of room?

Topping will delay a little bit growth tho, if you want to top, top only once imo.

 

[IsanFarmer]

Topping will delay a little bit growth tho, if you want to top, top only once imo.

Yeah if I do top it'll only be the once but if that is going to slow things down then I might not bother because I want these harvested and dried by Christmas. It's a tough one to call because topping will increase the yield no doubt but it'll also slow things down a little.

 

[IsanFarmer]

So yesterday was day 17 and after a slow start my seedlings had started growing so fast they'd become too big for the cups, so I transplanted them to the 3 gallon pots that they'll now stay in. I mixed up my medium in my front yard using the same aggregate as my last grow, which is 50% soil, 25% worm castings, and 25% perlite. I germinated 10 seeds to ensure I had 9 plants and all of them germinated so for the time being I'm going to see if I can fit all 10 in the tent. The one at the bottom right had a very small tap root to begin with and is growing much slower than the others so I expect this will be the one that I throw away if I have to lose one because I doubt I can fit all 10 in the tent once they start getting big.

I have a habit of forgetting to sprinkle mycorrhiza in the holes when I plant seeds or transplant seedlings and even though I remembered to use it when I planted the first seedling, I then proceeded to forget to do this with the next 3. It was clearly not a good idea to have a smoke before I did the transplanting and in future there will be no cannabis consumption when I have to work with my plants.

I tried to take one of the 3 seedlings without mycorrhiza out of its pot so I could replant it with some, however, the soil crumbled in my hand and I was left with just the roots, which made replanting it very difficult. This'll probably be so traumatic for the seedling it'll take a while for it to recover, so this one will have to go in the IC unit for a while. After this experience I decided against replanting the other 2 that don't have any mycorrhiza, which isn't good and I'm now worried that they won't grow very well without it. This mistake will however allow me to conduct an experiment to see the difference between seedlings planted with and without mycorrhiza. Will the two that have been planted without mycorrhiza still grow adequately?

Another mistake I made was not preparing any water for the newly planted seedlings. I'm not sure about the chlorine content of the tap water in the new house we now live in, but in the previous house I'd always left the water to sit for 48 hours before I used it, to give the chlorine a chance to evaporate. I have installed a water filter in this house (a Stiebel Eltron 'Cloud') but I don't think it is efficient enough to remove chlorine? There was no way I could wait 48 hours to water my plants because the new medium was bone dry, so I settled for leaving the water overnight, while pumping air into it, to speed up the dechlorination process.

I'd already performed a test to determine how much water I'd need to give each 3 gallon pot to make 10% runoff, which is 4 litres, and surprising because I didn't think they'd need that much considering the pots I used for my last grow were 5 gallon pots and they needed 5 litres to create 10% runoff. I was up early this morning when the lights came on at 0600 so I could give them their first watering since transplanting them, which was with molasses and liquid seaweed at 6.2 PH. I'll give them a feed of nutrients when the soil starts drying out and then after that it will be alternate waterings and feeds with molasses/seaweed and Dutch Pro nutrients.

I've tried to resolve the issue with the two planted without mycorrhiza by sprinkling some around the plants and then watering them, the theory being that the mycorrhiza will sink into the soil where the roots are so that it can still work its magic but is this just wishful thinking? For anyone reading this that has any advice or an opinion, please reply and let me know because all comments are welcome and valued. What I'd really like to know about is whether or not the two that have been planted without mycorrhiza will grow as fast as the others? And should I be so fastidious when it comes to removing chlorine from my tap water? Should I go to the trouble of testing the water for its chlorine content? Maybe it's not enough for it to be a problem?

 

[Trash_2002]

So yesterday was day 17 and after a slow start my seedlings had started growing so fast they'd become too big for the cups, so I transplanted them to the 3 gallon pots that they'll now stay in. I mixed up my medium in my front yard using the same aggregate as my last grow, which is 50% soil, 25% worm castings, and 25% perlite. I germinated 10 seeds to ensure I had 9 plants and all of them germinated so for the time being I'm going to see if I can fit all 10 in the tent. The one at the bottom right had a very small tap root to begin with and is growing much slower than the others so I expect this will be the one that I throw away if I have to lose one because I doubt I can fit all 10 in the tent once they start getting big.

I have a habit of forgetting to sprinkle mycorrhiza in the holes when I plant seeds or transplant seedlings and even though I remembered to use it when I planted the first seedling, I then proceeded to forget to do this with the next 3. It was clearly not a good idea to have a smoke before I did the transplanting and in future there will be no cannabis consumption when I have to work with my plants.

I tried to take one of the 3 seedlings without mycorrhiza out of its pot so I could replant it with some, however, the soil crumbled in my hand and I was left with just the roots, which made replanting it very difficult. This'll probably be so traumatic for the seedling it'll take a while for it to recover, so this one will have to go in the IC unit for a while. After this experience I decided against replanting the other 2 that don't have any mycorrhiza, which isn't good and I'm now worried that they won't grow very well without it. This mistake will however allow me to conduct an experiment to see the difference between seedlings planted with and without mycorrhiza. Will the two that have been planted without mycorrhiza still grow adequately?

Another mistake I made was not preparing any water for the newly planted seedlings. I'm not sure about the chlorine content of the tap water in the new house we now live in, but in the previous house I'd always left the water to sit for 48 hours before I used it, to give the chlorine a chance to evaporate. I have installed a water filter in this house (a Stiebel Eltron 'Cloud') but I don't think it is efficient enough to remove chlorine? There was no way I could wait 48 hours to water my plants because the new medium was bone dry, so I settled for leaving the water overnight, while pumping air into it, to speed up the dechlorination process.

I'd already performed a test to determine how much water I'd need to give each 3 gallon pot to make 10% runoff, which is 4 litres, and surprising because I didn't think they'd need that much considering the pots I used for my last grow were 5 gallon pots and they needed 5 litres to create 10% runoff. I was up early this morning when the lights came on at 0600 so I could give them their first watering since transplanting them, which was with molasses and liquid seaweed at 6.2 PH. I'll give them a feed of nutrients when the soil starts drying out and then after that it will be alternate waterings and feeds with molasses/seaweed and Dutch Pro nutrients.

I've tried to resolve the issue with the two planted without mycorrhiza by sprinkling some around the plants and then watering them, the theory being that the mycorrhiza will sink into the soil where the roots are so that it can still work its magic but is this just wishful thinking? For anyone reading this that has any advice or an opinion, please reply and let me know because all comments are welcome and valued. What I'd really like to know about is whether or not the two that have been planted without mycorrhiza will grow as fast as the others? And should I be so fastidious when it comes to removing chlorine from my tap water? Should I go to the trouble of testing the water for its chlorine content? Maybe it's not enough for it to be a problem?

looking good brotha :-)

Giving them myco with water is ok, it will work, they will inoculate the media one way or the other.
24h aerating is plenty to gas out chlorine.
48 hours without aerating is plenty too.

All good sir, they will fly now in those new pots.

 

[JohnBlazr]

ดูดี!

 

[benjones]

damn , they have come on great

 

[IsanFarmer]

damn , they have come on great

Do you think I should top them or not Ben?

 

[mjvdet13]

ALL veg - 85 f / 75% rh (day) ; 80f/ 70% (night) ; 800 ppms co2

week 1 - 85f/ 75% rh (day) ; 80 f/ 70% (night) ; 1000 ppms co2

week 2 - 85f/ 75% rh (day) ; 80 f/ 70% (night) ; 1000 ppms co2

week 3 - 85f/ 75% rh (day) ; 80 f/ 70% (night) ; 1000 ppms co2

week 4 - 82f/ 72% rh (day) ; 78f/ 68% (night) ; 1000 ppms co2

week 5 - 80f/ 70%rh (day) ; 75f / 65% (night) ; 1000 ppms c02

week 6 - 80f /70%rh (day) ; 75f / 65% (night) ; 1000 ppms co2

week 7 - 78f/68% rh (day) ; 72 f/ 62% (night) ; 1000 ppms co2

week 8 - 75f/ 65%rh (day) ; 70f/ 60% (night) ; 0 ppms co2

week 9 - 70f /60% rh (day) ; 60f/ 50% (night) ; 0 ppm c02

I never trust google points,man. the guys I learned alot on board is @Dirtbag @cemchris

Ok sure I get it but how big are your pots? People that run larger 5/10 gals or larger cant dry them out like they need to every day. Thats the main problem with high humidity... Other than that high humidity is great in early flower and veg..

 

[benjones]

Do you think I should top them or not Ben?

not yet mate. if you are going to top them it's best to wait until you have 5-6 nodes

 

[IsanFarmer]

not yet mate. if you are going to top them it's best to wait until you have 5-6 nodes

No I don't mean now you nutter, I mean should I top them or not? I need this grow harvested by Christmas and topping them will probably slow them down too much?

 

[benjones]

No I don't mean now you nutter, I mean should I top them or not? I need this grow harvested by Christmas and topping them will probably slow them down too much?

i always top mine so that i have more smaller colas to help prevent mold, rather than one big cola . i think it helps to have an even canopy spread out too .

but because your pots are close together i think you don't need to top them if time is of the essence . i do between 4-6 plants under the same light as you , so topping them helps them spread out .



what do others think ?

 

[IsanFarmer]

Well it's day 21 and these babies are flourishing. They seem to have recovered from their transplanting quickly and even the two that were planted sans mycorrhiza are coming on. They're growing much faster than the previous grow was at this stage, and I now know that that's because I wasn't giving them enough water last time.

However, the plant that had its roots damaged because I tried to replant it, is growing very slowly and I don't think it's going to catch up with the others. I'll keep growing if for the meantime but if that turns out to be the case I will toss it so that I can grow 9 plants symmetrically in 3 rows of 3.

Today was their first feed and I managed to fuck that up. I did run a test on another pot with the same medium, to see how much water I should be giving them, and my calculation was approximately 4 litres. That seemed way too much because that isn't much less than the 5 litres I was giving the 5 gallon pots for my last grow. I ignored my instinct like a fucking idiot, and settled on 3 litres in the end, but even that was way too much.

I gave them all a litre each to begin with. Then when I had given another 6 pots their second round of 1 litre, I noticed lots of runoff coming out the bottom. I didn't measure this exactly but it looked like it was over half a litre in some of the trays, which would equate to approximately 25% of the 2 litres I'd given them, and clearly way too much runoff. I think in actual fact I should only be giving them only about 1 litre of water.

So how the fuck did the same medium give me about 400 millilitres (10%) of runoff from 4 litres of water when I ran a test? Is it because some of the soil was really dry? I'd stored the bags outside my house in the shade but maybe the climate in Thailand is too hot for that and it dried the soil out?

So, for the first watering and the first feed I have given them too much water. I don't think it was much of a problem with the first watering because this will have given the medium a good soaking so the roots will grow into it, (I learnt that one from you Trash) but for the 6 plants that got overwatered today, there might be some damage. Not only have they had too much water but the concentration of the feed might be too high for them? However, thinking about it, if you use the same ratio of feed for a larger amount of water then the concentration will be the same won't it? I gave them Dutch Pro veg fertiliser with CalMag, Take Root and Multi Total, at an EC of 1.2 and adjusted to 6.2 PH.

 

[eastdragon420]

i always top mine so that i have more smaller colas to help prevent mold, rather than one big cola . i think it helps to have an even canopy spread out too .

but because your pots are close together i think you don't need to top them if time is of the essence . i do between 4-6 plants under the same light as you , so topping them helps them spread out .



what do others think ?

Bj,how is ur grow~I forgot ur ins,LoL
Pm to me

 

[Trash_2002]

Well it's day 21 and these babies are flourishing. They seem to have recovered from their transplanting quickly and even the two that were planted sans mycorrhiza are coming on. They're growing much faster than the previous grow was at this stage, and I now know that that's because I wasn't giving them enough water last time.

However, the plant that had its roots damaged because I tried to replant it, is growing very slowly and I don't think it's going to catch up with the others. I'll keep growing if for the meantime but if that turns out to be the case I will toss it so that I can grow 9 plants symmetrically in 3 rows of 3.

Today was their first feed and I managed to fuck that up. I did run a test on another pot with the same medium, to see how much water I should be giving them, and my calculation was approximately 4 litres. That seemed way too much because that isn't much less than the 5 litres I was giving the 5 gallon pots for my last grow. I ignored my instinct like a fucking idiot, and settled on 3 litres in the end, but even that was way too much.

I gave them all a litre each to begin with. Then when I had given another 6 pots their second round of 1 litre, I noticed lots of runoff coming out the bottom. I didn't measure this exactly but it looked like it was over half a litre in some of the trays, which would equate to approximately 25% of the 2 litres I'd given them, and clearly way too much runoff. I think in actual fact I should only be giving them only about 1 litre of water.

So how the fuck did the same medium give me about 400 millilitres (10%) of runoff from 4 litres of water when I ran a test? Is it because some of the soil was really dry? I'd stored the bags outside my house in the shade but maybe the climate in Thailand is too hot for that and it dried the soil out?

So, for the first watering and the first feed I have given them too much water. I don't think it was much of a problem with the first watering because this will have given the medium a good soaking so the roots will grow into it, (I learnt that one from you Trash) but for the 6 plants that got overwatered today, there might be some damage. Not only have they had too much water but the concentration of the feed might be too high for them? However, thinking about it, if you use the same ratio of feed for a larger amount of water then the concentration will be the same won't it? I gave them Dutch Pro veg fertiliser with CalMag, Take Root and Multi Total, at an EC of 1.2 and adjusted to 6.2 PH.

25% runoff you will be ok and that was a timely first feed they will love it :-)
EC 0.6mS-0.8mS is plenty for now.
if you look at my vegging plants i'm giving them EC 1.2-1.3 at ~50 days veg.

 

[IsanFarmer]

25% runoff you will be ok and that was a timely first feed they will love it :-)
EC 0.6mS-0.8mS is plenty for now.
if you look at my vegging plants i'm giving them EC 1.2-1.3 at ~50 days veg.

So when I'm mixing up feed this chart is the same as all the others, in that I go with approximately half the recommended dose? This chart is slightly different to many others in that they recommend a minimum and a maximum EC level, but you're saying I should go with approximately half of their minimum level of 1.5 at this stage, which would be more or less what you said?

 

[Trash_2002]

So when I'm mixing up feed this chart is the same as all the others, in that I go with approximately half the recommended dose? This chart is slightly different to many others in that they recommend a minimum and a maximum EC level, but you're saying I should go with approximately half of their minimum level of 1.5 at this stage, which would be more or less what you said?

Yep that chart recommends too high EC, most of the nutrients manufacturers feeding charts are like that, there's some exceptions.