Has anyone flowered at 13/11 what were your results is it worth it

[MedicalHydroponics]

so is there a conclusion or discussion part i can forward to, this guy is slow af
also his first advise ''just run them 12/12 from the start'' for autos...needs depth

further in im finding his understanding to be 8/8 will work for flower
if it was presented better i believe people will understand this, i have done research into the hormones he keep referring to, this might just be an answer to saving cost during veg

Ok I guess it’s hard to pull out good information from some people.
But the main part is the chart right here.
He was stating from a very expensive book that he was reading that during the veg cycle you can run whatever hours you want basically as long as there’s not eight hours of consistent darkness!
8 hours of consistent darkness will cause the flower hormones to activate!
and as long as you have a break under eight hours 7 hours or 5.5 off 1hr on 5.5hrs off on the back half 12 hours of darkness.
Front half of 12 hours all lights on. Basically it’s a breakdown of a 24 hour cycle in a day.
So he say run 12hrs lights on, then 5.5hrs off then 1hr lights on then 5.5hrs off. That’s a 24hr period and this technique is taken from the 12 one lantern formula which is hundreds of years old. 12hrs on Daytime (1hr on during dark cycle) 5.5hrs off x2 =11hrs +1hr of light =12hrs of the dark cycle.

He also stated with the extra sleep time that the plants are getting that his plants did better than others that use 24 hours or 18 six light schedule, so there was no need to run the extra 5+ hours.

And how He broke up the 5.5 hours off one hour on and 5.5hrs off was to use that timer. He didn’t advertise selling any of his products he didn’t advertise selling that timer either. He was just explaining the method and the tools that he used to get the job done.

 

[GreenGalaxyFarm]

you are explaining what has been said in the video. I agree with his logic and will run 12-5,5-1-5,5 in the future

 

[MedicalHydroponics]

you are explaining what has been said in the video. I agree with his logic and will run 12-5,5-1-5,5 in the future

Yes, and it is a bit confusing in the beginning mainly because the information is so mind blowing 🤯compared to what the industry has told us to do.
Print out that chart it helps break it down, I tried my best to simplify all of it.
I too will Run 12hrs on 5.5hrs off 1hr on 5.5hrs off ONLY in Veg. When you add up all those hrs that’s a ton of $$$$$. In a new video he said if you combine a 11/13 flower cycle with this you save 60% off Electricity.

To me that’s a big WOW!!🤔 none have talked about this, When I came across this I thought I’d share this valuable information. He got this from the hundreds of years old 12-1 Lattern technique.

 

[N1ghtL1ght]

The "Gas Lantern Routine" basically to save on electricity or decrease the DLI if a strong lamp can't be dimmed. Not recommended for HIDs as you suffer from increased bulb degradation.

Usually 16/8 shouldn't make cannabis go into flower mode. 14/10 + FR EOD should do it (observe HPS lamps give off a long IR light when shut down) but actually it's dependant on the genetics. Esp. with all these new semiautos or whatever you wanna call them. Some mothers need to be kept at 24/0 to not flower (DJ Short gear), some equatorial sativas may need even longer night than day to finish properly.
Just my 2c...

 

[GreenGalaxyFarm]

Usually 16/8 shouldn't make cannabis go into flower mode.

correct it does however increase the rate of maturity significantly, at the point of 12/12 the switch to flower is almost instant, no waiting weeks for budding. see negative feedback loop, genetic oscillation patterns

 

[MedicalHydroponics]

correct it does however increase the rate of maturity significantly, at the point of 12/12 the switch to flower is almost instant, no waiting weeks for budding. see negative feedback loop, genetic oscillation

The "Gas Lantern Routine" basically to save on electricity or decrease the DLI if a strong lamp can't be dimmed. Not recommended for HIDs as you suffer from increased bulb degradation.

Usually 16/8 shouldn't make cannabis go into flower mode. 14/10 + FR EOD should do it (observe HPS lamps give off a long IR light when shut down) but actually it's dependant on the genetics. Esp. with all these new semiautos or whatever you wanna call them. Some mothers need to be kept at 24/0 to not flower (DJ Short gear), some equatorial sativas may need even longer night than day to finish properly.
Just my 2c...

He talked about the 16/8 might not make your plant go into flower, but in some strains your chances of hermaphrodite increase. Also if you have light leaks in the dark cycle it could happen as well. It was in his new class videos that aren’t always assessable unless you’re a member. He releases some on YT then takes them down.

He’s quoting from that expensive book about the 8 hours, then giving his personal experience of 25 years of growing.
I agree about the degradation of the HID bulbs being dimmed. Some HID bulbs are NOT designed to be dimmed % wise. MH should be ran @100% NEVER dimmable. When you use MH @100% in veg up to wk 3 of flower, then switch to HPS @100% the rest of flower makes the most sense. Along with starting bloom nutrients at wk 3 of flower.

That’s 5wks of running HPS per cycle=35days, @11/13 flower cycle =385hrs per cycle. X (4) cycles per year= 1,540hrs per Year of growing. This is how I calculate, which means you can use 2 years of growing EASILY without loss of par output. I veg/flower/dry/cure in same place, Clone/Mother/Pre Veg in different space. So others could get more cycles than 4.

MH is ran for 2wk Veg & 2wk Flower for a total of 4wks.

^ This makes the most out of HID MH/HPS setups IMHO.

 

[N1ghtL1ght]

Not really sure where you got "the dimming" from but the bulb degradation is due to the starting and shutting the bulb off. So for example, some growers when they veg with HIDs, they just do it 24/0 and then the bulb "mostly" retains its original efficacy.

 

[MedicalHydroponics]

Not really sure where you got "the dimming" from but the bulb degradation is due to the starting and shutting the bulb off. So for example, some growers when they veg with HIDs, they just do it 24/0 and then the bulb "mostly" retains its original efficacy.

The "Gas Lantern Routine" basically to save on electricity or decrease the DLI if a strong lamp can't be dimmed. Not recommended for HIDs as you suffer from increased bulb degradation.

^ Read from decrease the DLI part.

 

[MedicalHydroponics]

Use a lux meter check outside perimeter of canopy and inner dimensions. Write down all your readings.. All I’m showing is how to properly conserve and properly use the equipment.

Miami mango says he gets 6000 hours out of an HPS before they change bulbs when he was using HPS. Not gonna know unless you test and you need proper tools to test plus run the same monocrop back to back to back to back.

 

[MedicalHydroponics]

I wouldn’t run 24/0 facilities can because they have special commercial discounts on their electricity.

 

[GreenGalaxyFarm]

Not really sure where you got "the dimming" from but the bulb degradation is due to the starting and shutting the bulb off. So for example, some growers when they veg with HIDs, they just do it 24/0 and then the bulb "mostly" retains its original efficacy.

is there maybe some information you have regarding at what rate they degrade over cycles of off and on.
been running 6/2, so my bulbs must be degraded af, but they are super inexpensive so replace with every crop cycle if need be

 

[GreenGalaxyFarm]

I wouldn’t run 24/0 facilities can because they have special commercial discounts on their electricity.

must be great, here the cost of industrial electricity is higher than residential. a reason micro farms are popping up lots running on solar anyway though..

 

[N1ghtL1ght]

is there maybe some information you have regarding at what rate they degrade over cycles of off and on.
been running 6/2, so my bulbs must be degraded af, but they are super inexpensive so replace with every crop cycle if need be

Bugbee did a study on it, but it kinda depends on what HID you run. HPS bulbs are most similar to one another, though the double ends are way different too from the single ends.

Double-Ended High Pressure Sodium Fixtures Decline less than 6% over 2 years and 5000 hours (pdf)
Economic Analysis of Greenhouse Lighting- Light Emitting Diodes vs. High Intensity Discharge Fixtures (pdf)

So Bugbee basically calculates the radiant energy loss back into electricity costs in order to arrive at what point it's economical to replace a bulb. But there are maybe other factors to consider as well....

 

[GreenGalaxyFarm]

Double-Ended High Pressure Sodium Fixtures Decline less than 6% over 2 years and 5000 hours (pdf)
Economic Analysis of Greenhouse Lighting- Light Emitting Diodes vs. High Intensity Discharge Fixtures (pdf)

dude. thank you.