Here's a question about 600w vs 1k

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newentown

newentown

So I'm putting together a legal grow. Gonna start with 50 hps 1k for my flowering but after reading all the threads on 600 vs 1k I can't help but ponder this....
My plan is to use an unspecified all indica strain. Scrog and lollipop in hopes of creating a nice even canopy. If we're to run 83x 600w crammed together instead of 50 1k would there be any benefit? ??. Should be pulling the same watts no?? I realize that the initial cost will be more but I'm thinking I may realize the initial investment back in a short time
 
Natural

Natural

Solis Tek has that splitter for 2 6's off the 1K's..I bet it will make them run hard though...I'd like to try one for sure. Would you buy all 600 watt ballasts?..or just all 1k's and switch the watts? I'm thinking the ground rules..are going to be the same comparison for smaller rooms..as well as big rooms, if ya think about it. Like, do I wanna run 6 1k's, or do I wanna run 10 6's?
The answer might be, if I'm only growing tops of canopies and don't need to worry about penetration of a 1K...maybe I can stretch the square footage a tiny bit? And would it matter which bulbs..maybe not.
What's you're thinking?..why do you think 6's will fair better?
 
newentown

newentown

Solis Tek has that splitter for 2 6's off the 1K's..I bet it will make them run hard though...I'd like to try one for sure. Would you buy all 600 watt ballasts?..or just all 1k's and switch the watts? I'm thinking the ground rules..are going to be the same comparison for smaller rooms..as well as big rooms, if ya think about it. Like, do I wanna run 6 1k's, or do I wanna run 10 6's?
The answer might be, if I'm only growing tops of canopies and don't need to worry about penetration of a 1K...maybe I can stretch the square footage a tiny bit? And would it matter which bulbs..maybe not.
What's you're thinking?..why do you think 6's will fair better?

I hear all this controversy surrounding the different bulbs and their watts. They say that because the 600's can be set closer to the canopy they actually produce more growing power for the plants. In my case with the way I plan on growing I'm left wondering which way will be better but I suppose I will have to hit the trial and error scenario and make the decision for myself
 
newentown

newentown

Your putting together a 50k grow op and your asking about 1k's
Solis Tek has that splitter for 2 6's off the 1K's..I bet it will make them run hard though...I'd like to try one for sure. Would you buy all 600 watt ballasts?..or just all 1k's and switch the watts? I'm thinking the ground rules..are going to be the same comparison for smaller rooms..as well as big rooms, if ya think about it. Like, do I wanna run 6 1k's, or do I wanna run 10 6's?
The answer might be, if I'm only growing tops of canopies and don't need to worry about penetration of a 1K...maybe I can stretch the square footage a tiny bit? And would it matter which bulbs..maybe not.
What's you're thinking?..why do you think 6's will fair better?
My only personal experience is with 1000's. My partners in this venture currently only use 1000's now for their personal rooms and both of them work in what would be considered a "co-op" that has over 300 1000's running. I've seen tons and tons of threads about 600 vs 1000'. I don't really see the need as I have never used them myself but but after reading I couldn't help but wonder if there is a difference in yield that anyone has experienced setting up 600's vs 1000's the way I had explained in my first post. Basically using the same amount of watts and the same footprint. Just cramming the 600's tighter together and obviously keeping them at the recommended height from the canopy. I believe is 30 cm. So any shared experiences would be appreciated. Cheers!!!
 
altitudefarmer

altitudefarmer

I have set up a few warehouses. I'd go with the 1K in a large space.
That said, in a smaller room, I'd rather have 3 600s than 2 1000s. I think most people use too much light for their environment, and I'd rather have more points of light than are a little weaker, than one strong point of light, if the light is not on a mover.

and THAT SAID, I would go with induction lighting over any HID if you can afford it. It's cheaper and better in the long run.

RBD is going to have a lot more to say on this matter. Best to consult with an architect, or you may be rebuilding the entire grow.
 
WalterWhiteFire

WalterWhiteFire

With the style in which you grow (lollipopped indica canopy) 600w would work awesome! 600w have weak penetration but in your case that's not a factor because your only trying to grow one level of giant buds in a perfect canopy. What foot print and reflectors are you looking at for the 83 lamps?
 
Theoneandonly Z

Theoneandonly Z

I'm not the grower. Just looking for some outside opinion so I can play devils advocate with the grow team and make sure they (we) are as efficient as possible. This is a chat forum where people ask questions no??
yes, but in honesty, our community is kept pretty tight, even though its publicly visible. The amount of times that a new guy joins and starts asking how to run his 50+ light grow when its clear that he/she doesnt have a clue of what they are talking about. its almost insulting to the guys on here that have been posting journals for years and sharing knowledge. I myself wont tell you shit unless i feel your contributions here are worth my 2 cents... so u might get a response like "fuck HID lights, rock all t5s man!" So what im trying to say is, if you want the farm to give back, you must give some first. Although, some of the heads like walterwhite, natural, donmekka, and altitude are solid, its cool as fuck that they are throwing you some of their personal opinions.

anyways, sounds like you have a solid team put together and they know what they are doing so imo, fuck the devils advocate theory and give your growers what they ask for.

Z
 
newentown

newentown

Any better yields from the 6's would be negligible at best imvho. Euro and Canadian growers have been big proponents of 6's..but I see all the big shows converting to 1k's, over-all. Maybe, look into double ended bulbs like gavita
With the style in which you grow (lollipopped indica canopy) 600w would work awesome! 600w have weak penetration but in your case that's not a factor because your only trying to grow one level of giant buds in a perfect canopy. What foot print and reflectors are you looking at for the 83 lamps?
Thank you for your response. This is exactly what I was looking for.
So the plan is a very air tight CGE.
I have 18000 sqf of space available but for now will build 2 separate flower rooms. Both identical. All the ballasts will be on the roof of the "pods" (if you will)directly above their respective reflectors to keep cord length at the absolute minimum. The ceilings of the building are 18'. The rooms im building will have 8' ceilings.All the reflectors will be air cooled boxes or tubes. Not sure yet as I've seen and used both with no noticeable difference but that was also on a micro scale compared to what I'm trying to do. The plan was to use 4' wide tables that stretch the length of the room with the 1000's in line above. The 600's are foreign to me but I've heard that 3' wide tables are better with them?????
 
Papa

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I'm not the grower. Just looking for some outside opinion so I can play devils advocate with the grow team and make sure they (we) are as efficient as possible. This is a chat forum where people ask questions no??
my advice is to hire good people and stay outta their way. if anything, spend your time helping to facilitate their work, not playing "devils advocate."

if you honestly feel the need to jump in and play devil's advocate and you come to an internet forum for advice from strangers it's symptomatic of something else going on . . . either you don't have people that you trust to do the best job or you, for whatever reason, feel the need to express knowledge above your abilities. in either case, it's doesn't sound like a good situation.

and, like altitudefarmer touches on, the issue that you raise is not as simple as "600w vs 1k." a great growing environment is a combination of many factors that all work together. it's much more about the gestalt than about the wattage of a lamp. in simple terms, there are cases where a 600w lamp solution is better than a 1kw lamp solution and visa versa. so trying to play the "devils advocate" by focusing on this one element only demonstrates a lack of understanding to those who really know design.

ADD: lol. it seems that Theoneandonly Z and i were trying to write just about the same thing at the same time. he's apparently faster on the keyboard and the "post reply" button.
 
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newentown

newentown

yes, but in honesty, our community is kept pretty tight, even though its publicly visible. The amount of times that a new guy joins and starts asking how to run his 50+ light grow when its clear that he/she doesnt have a clue of what they are talking about. its almost insulting to the guys on here that have been posting journals for years and sharing knowledge. I myself wont tell you shit unless i feel your contributions here are worth my 2 cents... so u might get a response like "fuck HID lights, rock all t5s man!" So what im trying to say is, if you want the farm to give back, you must give some first. Although, some of the heads like walterwhite, natural, donmekka, and altitude are solid, its cool as fuck that they are throwing you some of their personal opinions.

anyways, sounds like you have a solid team put together and they know what they are doing so imo, fuck the devils advocate theory and give your growers what they ask for.

Z
I can totally respect that my man.
I'm trying to set up a new business that caters to the medical community of smokers and not in a corporate way. We will all be leaving well paying jobs and businesses to do this for far less money. Its about a passion that im sure everybody you mentioned above shares. I myself will never be satisfied only knowing what I know. That's why I've exhausted all the resources I had and now found this forum and signed up hoping to get some good info and maybe share what I know with anybody that needs it. Thanks for everybody's input! Much appreciated!
 
SpiderK

SpiderK

Funny, the $$$ men have no clue & a large grow is pandoras box.... as our state is coming online we have clowns hitting up grow stores looking for .... hold it .... 20k clones :eek:

My buddies neighbor hit colo with 1M lost every penny / 4yrs went thru 3 growers per year, .....
 
newentown

newentown

my advice is to hire good people and stay outta their way. if anything, spend your time helping to facilitate their work, not playing "devils advocate."

if you honestly feel the need to jump in and play devil's advocate and you come to an internet forum for advice from strangers it's symptomatic of something else going on . . . either you don't have people that you trust to do the best job or you, for whatever reason, feel the need to express knowledge above your abilities. in either case, it's doesn't sound like a good situation.

and, like altitudefarmer touches on, the issue that you raise is not as simple as "600w vs 1k." a great growing environment is a combination of many factors that all work together. it's much more about the gestalt than about the wattage of a lamp. in simple terms, there are cases where a 600w lamp solution is better than a 1kw lamp solution and visa versa. so trying to play the "devils advocate" by focusing on this one element only demonstrates a lack of understanding to those who really know design.

ADD: lol. it seems that Theoneandonly Z and i were trying to write just about the same thing at the same time. he's apparently faster on the keyboard and the "post reply" button.
Sorry. Maybe "devils advocate" was the wrong phrase here. I'm not looking to argue with my partners or prove them wrong. They are my best friends. Just trying to cover all the angles and educate myself along the way. I only have 1 chance to get this right and efficiency is of the utmost importance..........
 
sixstring

sixstring

i would suggest just reading around this site at the dif grow journals and take notes on things you like and dont like about how the plants look.if it was me i think i would buy all 1000 watt dimables so you have flexibility and i believe those gavitas are dimable.i love my 600's though.gl
 
sixstring

sixstring

Sorry. Maybe "devils advocate" was the wrong phrase here. I'm not looking to argue with my partners or prove them wrong. They are my best friends. Just trying to cover all the angles and educate myself along the way. I only have 1 chance to get this right and efficiency is of the utmost importance..........
600 are in theory more efficient as in lumens per watt.but big plants need big lights imo so if your growing plants over 5 feet tall go with the big lights.if your growing short stuff and trimming off the bottom branches you can do real well with 600's and get about 30" of productive canopy.
 
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