I think I might have messed up?? Any one grow long veg larger plants? Help?

[Jhinnovations918]

So,I have two bigger long vegged plant in coco 10 gal pots photo periods about 3.5 months from seed under 19/5 light. I was looking to grow large buds on large colas and I read a few some interesting articles and listened to some videos on YouTube about growing bigger buds and bigger colas by trimming the new shoots/ branches all the way to the top three new shoots that are developing, like once it is alternating nodes. Like basically just the very top new shoots then flipping ... my dumb ass did this and it is a 4 ft tall indica hybrid with 13-16 thick branches each with about 3 newer side branches that start about 13-5 inches from the top of the main branch they are on. So, now I only have the top 3 newest shoots right at the tip of each branch,Like 5 inches from the Tip at the most. I have LSTed, super cropped , and topped then trimmed the new shoots all to build a thick branches huge beefy plant. i have also cleaned out all leafs on the bottom between 1/2 & 2/3rds of plant, and it needed it leafs are huge and completely block airflow… now the Question is how bad did I mess up and how long before flip? Any advice from here??? Idk what I was thinking .... the shoots I took looked to be trying to turn into branches they were about 3-8 inches long. any advice or help is much appreciated!!! Thanks!!! Keep it growing!!!

 

[capone304]

U will be fine vedged end of September till Jan 1st ish

 

[capone304]

Let her recover a few days n flip em I'ma just say this u can do what ya want but YouTube is the devil when it comes to cannabis cultivation 90% of those guys are just feeding u full of shit to sell u products lol I listened to them n nearly ruined my first grows the guys here in the community are the fellas to listen to esp Capt Spalding thatoneguyyouknow mikelin trustfall flamike n buncha others

 

[ArtfulCodger]

I'm not sure what the problem is.

 

[Jhinnovations918]

U will be fine vedged end of September till Jan 1st ish

Thanks! What strain? And how was yield? I am not worried about how long I vegged I did that on purpose lol I am worried with it being indica don and me cutting all the bud sites up to only the top one I won’t grow enough new ones in stretch?

 

[Jhinnovations918]

I'm not sure what the problem is.

Worried about not getting enough bud sites since I took all the shoot and new shoot but the new growth at tip? It’s indica 80% and thinking I might not have enough in the stretch? Thanks!

 

[Jhinnovations918]

Let her recover a few days n flip em I'ma just say this u can do what ya want but YouTube is the devil when it comes to cannabis cultivation 90% of those guys are just feeding u full of shit to sell u products lol I listened to them n nearly ruined my first grows the guys here in the community are the fellas to listen to esp Capt Spalding thatoneguyyouknow mikelin trustfall flamike n buncha others

Thanks! Yeah was just worried about the trimming all the shoots and new growth away except the tip new shoots on each branch? Idk how indoor long veg does in stretch

 

[Jhinnovations918]

Let her recover a few days n flip em I'ma just say this u can do what ya want but YouTube is the devil when it comes to cannabis cultivation 90% of those guys are just feeding u full of shit to sell u products lol I listened to them n nearly ruined my first grows the guys here in the community are the fellas to listen to esp Capt Spalding thatoneguyyouknow mikelin trustfall flamike n buncha others

I guess it’s kinda hard to tell size in my pics. Branches are thick cigar size and the leafs are just under a foot on the biggest bit stem just leafs

 

[Redneckx]

Worried about not getting enough bud sites since I took all the shoot and new shoot but the new growth at tip? It’s indica 80% and thinking I might not have enough in the stretch? Thanks!

Could be possible.
Saved in my head ~60 days veg for maximum stretch.
New growth always starting at the tips.
Indicas lean to smaller more compact plants instead of sativas. Topped plants lead to wider/smaller plants. Don't be frustrated when they don't stretch as y expect it. The yield will be good for sure.
Your beautys look fantastic. Maybe think about to flip soon.
Have a good one

 

[amneziaHaze]

Tehnically you didnt mess up but you just wasted 2 month of veg.you vould have had same with less veg.but she will produce same.let her recover a little and then flower.buds will allways come from small branches because of the stretch that lasts almost a month.

 

[Jhinnovations918]

Could be possible.
Saved in my head ~60 days veg for maximum stretch.
New growth always starting at the tips.
Indicas lean to smaller more compact plants instead of sativas. Topped plants lead to wider/smaller plants. Don't be frustrated when they don't stretch as y expect it. The yield will be good for sure.
Your beautys look fantastic. Maybe think about to flip soon.
Have a good one

I mean I trimmed all bud sites except the newest one at the top. How many should I leave on an indica leaning plant this large before flip?

 

[Jhinnovations918]

Tehnically you didnt mess up but you just wasted 2 month of veg.you vould have had same with less veg.but she will produce same.let her recover a little and then flower.buds will allways come from small branches because of the stretch that lasts almost a month.

In a month my plant branches get thick! I don’t have many secondaries and it would be 8 feet probably if I didn’t train the way I did lol. I am just wondering how long I should wait to flip now since I trimmed away all growth shoots and sites except the newest on the tip of the branches. . Thanks!

 

[Jhinnovations918]

Could be possible.
Saved in my head ~60 days veg for maximum stretch.
New growth always starting at the tips.
Indicas lean to smaller more compact plants instead of sativas. Topped plants lead to wider/smaller plants. Don't be frustrated when they don't stretch as y expect it. The yield will be good for sure.
Your beautys look fantastic. Maybe think about to flip soon.
Have a good one

If it was to not stretch I would have one or two buts eat branch lol that’s my point . I only left the tip. They are hybrids bud seem leaning indica because of the dark green heavy wide leafs. That’s my concern and I don’t want to waste the time I have put in and flip to early after taking all bud sites and shoots away.

 

[amneziaHaze]

if i didnt read what you wrote just from photos i would say flip now.but since you cut all give it a week

 

[Redneckx]

I mean I trimmed all bud sites except the newest one at the top. How many should I leave on an indica leaning plant this large before flip?

Oh well, did i get that right y cut off all nodes and just left the top/tip(two leaves and one node)? Do you left lower fan leaves as well?

A friend used that method (including cutting all lower fans as well) last time and he was pretty stoked about it and repeated it this run.
Not a very knowledged guy but his results spoke for success when I heared about the yield, not seen..the buds were tasty, a lot of trichomes and good solid nugs. Planned to inspect that technique in real soon...

Sorry but can't help y there, I am running what I got and not really familiar about stretches either, sorry.

With my current knowledge I wouldn't distinguish between sativas and indicas(also in your case), because I take a look at my plants from the side, top, bottom, left & right to determine a clever settled lollipop line
All above the line will be cleaned up from several fan leaves to get a good light penetration to the whole canopy.
The bottom of that individual settled line, will be all cut off without any excuses. Did a couple of heavy defoliation before flip and like it so far.
If y won't like the outcome in this run, maybe try it next time, but not too heavy* and start with around 30-50% lollipopping the plant 3 days before and defoliate at day 21 and if needed at day 42 after flip to 12/12.

To get to a résumé:
Imo you could be satisfied with the outcome. When everything works good then you will get long colas, denser and bigger buds, but just wait as long until the plant recovered, not much longer or the effect shades.
In your case i'd try that technique now...there a not much other options..and y know it for the next run, I know hard to say but that's what growing is about.

Please don't blame me, when it's not paying out as expected.
Never the less, y might send me a pm and lemme know more about it.
Damn tired now, thanks for reading or not

 

[gwindajoannhare]

U will be fine vedged end of September till Jan 1st ish

Ya looks good to me.

 

[gwindajoannhare]

Like I know anything

 

[Jhinnovations918]

Oh well, did i get that right y cut off all nodes and just left the top/tip(two leaves and one node)? Do you left lower fan leaves as well?

A friend used that method (including cutting all lower fans as well) last time and he was pretty stoked about it and repeated it this run.
Not a very knowledged guy but his results spoke for success when I heared about the yield, not seen..the buds were tasty, a lot of trichomes and good solid nugs. Planned to inspect that technique in real soon...

Sorry but can't help y there, I am running what I got and not really familiar about stretches either, sorry.

With my current knowledge I wouldn't distinguish between sativas and indicas(also in your case), because I take a look at my plants from the side, top, bottom, left & right to determine a clever settled lollipop line
All above the line will be cleaned up from several fan leaves to get a good light penetration to the whole canopy.
The bottom of that individual settled line, will be all cut off without any excuses. Did a couple of heavy defoliation before flip and like it so far.
If y won't like the outcome in this run, maybe try it next time, but not too heavy* and start with around 30-50% lollipopping the plant 3 days before and defoliate at day 21 and if needed at day 42 after flip to 12/12.

To get to a résumé:
Imo you could be satisfied with the outcome. When everything works good then you will get long colas, denser and bigger buds, but just wait as long until the plant recovered, not much longer or the effect shades.
In your case i'd try that technique now...there a not much other options..and y know it for the next run, I know hard to say but that's what growing is about.

Please don't blame me, when it's not paying out as expected.
Never the less, y might send me a pm and lemme know more about it.
Damn tired now, thanks for reading or not

Thanks for the long reply!!! Yes I took all new shoot off the nodes except the top one I have about 6 alternating shoots at the tops now, it wants to go to flower bad lol. I know I will have a crazy yield no matter what I just don’t want to lose half over a mistake . I never long vegged a plant before or flowered outside of rdwc/dwc so … idk . But I’m in coco now and I started in soil this run. I had a bad batch of soil a month in, so I moved it over to coco perlite. So to make it get thick strong branches I topped first at 6/7th node then I let that ride for a month topping then waiting a couple days then removing all but one new shoot and left the fan leafs over and over to send energy to push thickness and slow vertical growth a little gaining girth. Then defoliating heavy every week or two almost like lollipopping below a line. I played with them and experimented. I used lst early and would bend and secure then after some days unsecure and adjust then manipulating the plant over and over never stunting growth to much. They just got more and more vigorous and efficient at using what energy I focused. Now when I let fans grow longer than ten days they get more than ten inches long and some longer than my forearm and wide as hell too. After I hit 2.5 months I let a couple branches on one plant turn into three , so two secondaries and trained to be same height and thickness. On the other I waited until 3 months and let them gain 2-4 secondary branches and am only training for even height at canopy on them. The secondaries are now anywhere from 6 inches to 10 inches long now on the later one and over a foot on the other mostly. so I should have anywhere from 35-60 tops each. That seems like a small number of tops at this point but I only had 13-16 main branches . I am hoping this is enough, and it will be if they stretch enough and get big enough colas. Right now they are drinking 2-2.5 gallons a day at 1050 ppm at 5.8ph should be nothing but colas just don’t know if trimming all bud site except the top was smart on this one before flip since it might not gain enough in stretch once I flip.

 

[Jhinnovations918]

For size reference for original pictures.

 

[Jhinnovations918]

Anyone know what this is my leafs make what looks like trics anyway but these patches are odd on lower canopy leafs? Liquid issue? I have great under and above canopy but leafs are huge! Any ideas? No bugs I have seen beside a few fungus gnats.