Dr.Green55
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Interesting conversation and I should probably stay out of it lol but I'd like to suggest some points,
So yes I believe that one formula can be used from start to finish, in fact I know some large well known growers that are doing just that, and I proved it to myself it can be done without any negative effects. but there are some rules so to say, and I don't believe it can be done with any bought-en nutes
The issue with bought-en nutes is its one size fits all pretty much , use in soil coco hydro etc , but the other issue is their base nutes are all inferior products meaning there just weak low in Calmag P, k etc they want you to buy 10 bottles of stuff and not once but twice for grow and bloom, so its no way you could ever run just their base nutes.
the key of a proper formula is ratio , the ratio of ions to ions period.. example N to Ca or K to Ca to Mg etc etc all these ions work with each other, they need to for uptake, so the better the ratio of these ions to each other the more active ions will be available for uptake. think of of this way say your feeding at 800ppm but only 40 to 50% of the solution is a active ions what the plant can uptake vs 500ppm with 80% active ions, easier up take , less competition, and less salts to build up.
what effects or determines these ratio's, well many factors, but i'll touch on a few, light intensity, temps, RH, Co2, air flow etc those can all effect nutrient uptake and what rate, but a big one really is the medium your using, soil coco or hydro. So the ratio's of the formula really need to reflect the medium your using, if i'm in hydro my formula will be different then in soil here's why , Ions act differently in different mediums changing the availability of uptake, In water diffusion coefficients of ions are virtually the same , but in soil their not ,the diffusion coefficient is a lot different due to how the ions act. some don't absorbed in the soil and some are highly absorbed, thus changing the availability of ions and the ratio's. and coco is its own animal
So I'd suggest , I feel I have without question proven it to myself in the last few years , that if you use a properly built base formula for the medium your growing in and for your grow style and apply it a the proper concentration ,you can absolutely run the same base mix from start to finish with optimal results. My plants will act the same no different , as long as i'm feeding at the proper concentration my plants will never be deficient, over feed and I very rarely flush as I don't have salt build ups. and that is key , the sweet spot, nutrients always available, not under or over feed, easy uptake, remember plants selectively uptake nutrients when they want what they want, so if the nutrients are always available/easy uptake your plant will grow at optimal growth to the environment. Another thing don't throw everything at your plants at once, I feed twice a day, first feed at lights on base plus fulvic, if I want to give them some silica , thats in the afternoon once a week by itself, kelp once a week, afternoon by itself, humic/micro once a week/other week in afternoon by itself , enzymes same thing.
So yes I believe that one formula can be used from start to finish, in fact I know some large well known growers that are doing just that, and I proved it to myself it can be done without any negative effects. but there are some rules so to say, and I don't believe it can be done with any bought-en nutes
The issue with bought-en nutes is its one size fits all pretty much , use in soil coco hydro etc , but the other issue is their base nutes are all inferior products meaning there just weak low in Calmag P, k etc they want you to buy 10 bottles of stuff and not once but twice for grow and bloom, so its no way you could ever run just their base nutes.
the key of a proper formula is ratio , the ratio of ions to ions period.. example N to Ca or K to Ca to Mg etc etc all these ions work with each other, they need to for uptake, so the better the ratio of these ions to each other the more active ions will be available for uptake. think of of this way say your feeding at 800ppm but only 40 to 50% of the solution is a active ions what the plant can uptake vs 500ppm with 80% active ions, easier up take , less competition, and less salts to build up.
what effects or determines these ratio's, well many factors, but i'll touch on a few, light intensity, temps, RH, Co2, air flow etc those can all effect nutrient uptake and what rate, but a big one really is the medium your using, soil coco or hydro. So the ratio's of the formula really need to reflect the medium your using, if i'm in hydro my formula will be different then in soil here's why , Ions act differently in different mediums changing the availability of uptake, In water diffusion coefficients of ions are virtually the same , but in soil their not ,the diffusion coefficient is a lot different due to how the ions act. some don't absorbed in the soil and some are highly absorbed, thus changing the availability of ions and the ratio's. and coco is its own animal
So I'd suggest , I feel I have without question proven it to myself in the last few years , that if you use a properly built base formula for the medium your growing in and for your grow style and apply it a the proper concentration ,you can absolutely run the same base mix from start to finish with optimal results. My plants will act the same no different , as long as i'm feeding at the proper concentration my plants will never be deficient, over feed and I very rarely flush as I don't have salt build ups. and that is key , the sweet spot, nutrients always available, not under or over feed, easy uptake, remember plants selectively uptake nutrients when they want what they want, so if the nutrients are always available/easy uptake your plant will grow at optimal growth to the environment. Another thing don't throw everything at your plants at once, I feed twice a day, first feed at lights on base plus fulvic, if I want to give them some silica , thats in the afternoon once a week by itself, kelp once a week, afternoon by itself, humic/micro once a week/other week in afternoon by itself , enzymes same thing.
