Is it too early to tell male or female?

[Jimmy_Dickskin]

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I found this seed in a grow I did last year. It came from a feminized dynamite diesel. I have no idea how the plant got pollinated because I only had other feminized plant around it however it was my first outdoor grow so I guess it could've been a number of things. Sprouted March 4. Is it too early to tell if this is male or female?
I had this little hydroponic system that I was doing some herbs so I put it in one of those pots with all of the nutrients that I was giving the herbs from the Hydro pack and it seems to be doing great.

 

[ArtfulCodger]

It's too early to tell by visual inspection.

 

[Jimmy_Dickskin]

It's too early to tell by visual inspection.

Ok thanks. I'll check back in a few weeks!

 

[ArtfulCodger]

Ok thanks. I'll check back in a few weeks!

It's not too early to send a sample for testing, if you want to know quickly. It's a little pricy, but if it's just one plant, it's not too bad. I've had good experiences with Farmer Freeman.

 

[RegularRebel]

I have no idea how the plant got pollinated because I only had other feminized plant around it

Because to make feminized seeds they artificially stress a female into producing male reproductive parts which makes it a hermaphrodite. Then that unfit pollen from that heremaphrodite is used to make seeds...

which passes on the hermaphroditic trait to the progeny. Since that trait was passed on, what you thought were female plants, went hermaphroditic and made male reproductive flowers, and that pollen made seeds. Most likely. I hope this helps your understanding. We can say it's likely going to express itself as female ish. Let it get a couple more nodes. Give it only 6 hours light and after 4-7 days you will be able to sex it. But you have to look closely.

 

[Ninjadogma]

Because to make feminized seeds they artificially stress a female into producing male reproductive parts which makes it a hermaphrodite. Then that unfit pollen from that heremaphrodite is used to make seeds...View attachment 2400259

which passes on the hermaphroditic trait to the progeny. Since that trait was passed on, what you thought were female plants, went hermaphroditic and made male reproductive flowers, and that pollen made seeds. Most likely. I hope this helps your understanding. We can say it's likely going to express itself as female ish. Let it get a couple more nodes. Give it only 6 hours light and after 4-7 days you will be able to sex it. But you have to look closely.View attachment 2400271

OP mentioned it was an outdoor grow. Therefore you can't eliminate the possibility of a male somewhere upwind.

 

[Jimmy_Dickskin]

Because to make feminized seeds they artificially stress a female into producing male reproductive parts which makes it a hermaphrodite. Then that unfit pollen from that heremaphrodite is used to make seeds...View attachment 2400259

which passes on the hermaphroditic trait to the progeny. Since that trait was passed on, what you thought were female plants, went hermaphroditic and made male reproductive flowers, and that pollen made seeds. Most likely. I hope this helps your understanding. We can say it's likely going to express itself as female ish. Let it get a couple more nodes. Give it only 6 hours light and after 4-7 days you will be able to sex it. But you have to look closely.View attachment 2400271

Wow that's good information. Can I give it the 6 hours of light to see the sex and then switch it back to 18/6 for veg without problems? Because if it ends up female id like ti take it to harvest.

 

[HerbalEdu]

Wow that's good information. Can I give it the 6 hours of light to see the sex and then switch it back to 18/6 for veg without problems? Because if it ends up female id like ti take it to harvest.

what's trigger flowering is 12 hours (a little less in fact) of uninterupted night time. Some growers do give 12 hours of night time for a few days to sex plant then switch back to veg.

 

[Jimmy_Dickskin]

what's trigger flowering is 12 hours (a little less in fact) of uninterupted night time. Some growers do give 12 hours of night time for a few days to sex plant then switch back to veg.

Ok thank you. I'll give it a try

 

[RegularRebel]

Thats true. Anyone growing hemp or whatever cannabis within a 12 mile radius with pollen released could be the culprit.
But considering the closest known cannabis was feminized... it's the most likely culprit.

"However, plants grown from feminized seeds are more likely to become hermaphrodites. The development of male anthers within the female inflorescence is known as hermaphrodite."

From this study: https://www.researchgate.net/public...m_Feminized_seed_production-A_breeding_effort

 

[RegularRebel]

Wow that's good information. Can I give it the 6 hours of light to see the sex and then switch it back to 18/6 for veg without problems? Because if it ends up female id like ti take it to harvest.

Yes. But 18 hours daily light is not good. Cannabis is a "short day" plant you are trying to grow it as a "long day" plant. Anything more than 16 hours in vegetative stage is unhealthy because it's not getting enough darkness. It's a waste of electricity as well because once the plant tanks are full, it shuts off, shuts down in what's known as "photoprotection." There is no point in stressing your plant like that. Research "photoprotection " and plant biology, gardening, horticultural science, instead of this cannabis botany garbage. It's so bad and so widespread it's better to avoid it altogether. You need knowledge, not belief and you imitating others in blind ignorance. Good luck to you. Have fun with your new hobby. Your plant looks healthy.

 

[mancorn]

Wow that's good information. Can I give it the 6 hours of light to see the sex and then switch it back to 18/6 for veg without problems? Because if it ends up female id like ti take it to harvest.

Not if you’re going back outside with this plant. It will take a month + for it to reveg and most likely end up a mess.

 

[RegularRebel]

Not if you’re going back outside with this plant. It will take a month + for it to reveg and most likely end up a mess.

No need to use psychic powers or imagination of the future events.

Sexing under 6 hours light will allow him to see the sex in about a week, some will show faster than others but it needs to reach adult stage for it to work. Switching back to vegetative growth will not be a problem, never has been for me. I have done it several times. How many times have you sexed plants with 6 hours light? And why did you have problems? Could there have been other problems as well such as light stress? Putting it under 18 or 24 hours light? If so, yeah I can understand how it would be problematic for you.

A month to switch back to vegetative? Should be 2 weeks or less. If it can switch from vegetative to showing sex in a week or so that is an indicator of how fast it can switch its growth pattern. One way or the other. Common sense. But you bring up a gooooood point. A happy plant will act differently than a light stressed plant. Great examole for his knowledge.

also it's good that you bring up the delay while its switching its growth pattern from vegetative to reproductive and back to vegetative, then back to flowering. It's important to note that this does stop and start creating delays. Is sexing really that important? Perhaps it is in some cases. Perhaps patience is better by waiting and finding out in others. Perhaps laboratory testing of leaf tissue is best in other cases. So instead of manually sexing, a piece of tissue can be tested in a lab for a price, that is also an option. It depends on the situation.

Me personally I just grow them to adults. I prefer shorter plants with tighter internodes, so I give them plenty of darkness 10 hours or more. This darkness keeps them healthy and happy and affects their growth pattern. After transition to flowering, I just wait and see who is male, who is female. If there is a particularly nice male or 2, great. I can use him as a breeder. Watching to see what traits he can pass on. Is he making a lot of flowers? Are there trichromes forming on him? And so on. I'm in no hurry to sex them. But in some situations, sexing is called for. The fastest way to see them is under 6 hours light until tiny reproductive parts can be seen like in my photos. Then they can remain flowering, or switch back. A healthy happy plant will switch back to vegetative somewhere around 9 to 14 days. If it takes longer, something must be off in the plants genetics, health, or environment.

 

[Ninjadogma]

Thats true. Anyone growing hemp or whatever cannabis within a 12 mile radius with pollen released could be the culprit.
But considering the closest known cannabis was feminized... it's the most likely culprit.

"However, plants grown from feminized seeds are more likely to become hermaphrodites. The development of male anthers within the female inflorescence is known as hermaphrodite."

From this study: https://www.researchgate.net/public...m_Feminized_seed_production-A_breeding_effort

More likely yes, but not too likely for there to be a thriving market for feminized seeds.

 

[mancorn]

No need to use psychic powers or imagination of the future events.

OP said he grew the original plant outdoors and now had a sprout in a “little hydroponic system that I was doing some herbs”. OP also posted a picture of his system that does not appear to be a cannabis setup, while I specifically said “Not if you’re going back outside…” So yeah I was answering the OP questions, “Can I… switch it back to… veg without problems? But thanks for your intimate knowledge. You sound very experienced.

 

[RegularRebel]

Oh I also forgot to mention when sexing the plants, males will often show before females, or at least it's easier to see

 

[RegularRebel]

Yes, they appreciate your dependency and recurring purchases. This helps them thrive.

Making your own seeds, storing them, sharing them, like humans have for thousands of years, helps everyone, humanity thrive. But that situation has changed hasn't it? Thats your heritage slipping away. What's their end game? Just apply those chains to yourself, grinning.

But you feel fine, right? Better than fine. You feel good about your purchase. Instantly justified and consoled by masses of others just like you. Patting each other on the back.

 

[RegularRebel]

what's trigger flowering is 12 hours (a little less in fact) of uninterupted night time. Some growers do give 12 hours of night time for a few days to sex plant then switch back to veg.

somebody out there somewhere, not you but you have heard... anyone sexing a plant on 12 -12 is doing it the slowest possible way...outside of 13 - 11 which some cannabis plants do actually flower on 13 hours light. Try it. Sexing it with the bare minimum darkness could take weeks. 2 maybe 3. People flower with 12, 13 because they think maximum light equals maximum yield. But remeber, its a plant that gets happy, flowers and gets excited about darkness.

Sexing on 6 hours light gives it maximum darkness yet provides just enough light (meager rations) for it to manage its processes just fine. But it's only for sexing. 6 is too much of a slimming diet, not recommended for long periods. It's not uncommon to sex a few adult plants in 4-5 days from a group if you have 9 or a dozen to look at. There is always fast ones and slower ones. If you have been abusing them with light stress on 18 or 24 hours light... they arent happy and may not cooperate. So really I would say this quick sexing is for adult plants accustomed to 16 or less daily light integral. 14's will be ready and willing to party and get naked.

Be bold, and drop your known favorite variety you are familiar with into 10 -14, 2 more hours more darkness than normal for flowering. Hit it with 10 hours intense light. You will be surprised with the result. Photoprotection is a real phenomenon, not a myth. Take note of the differences in quality, resin production, bud size, growth pattern, finish time. When you see differences, try 9, 8. Really dial that shit in for that variety. If you are experienced, you may even like to try it out of boredom. But be prepared for interesting things. Then go full ape and start flowering cycle with 12-12 and drop that time a little each week with a 6 or 8 hour finish that last week.

 

[Markjobs2020]

Thats true. Anyone growing hemp or whatever cannabis within a 12 mile radius with pollen released could be the culprit.
But considering the closest known cannabis was feminized... it's the most likely culprit.

"However, plants grown from feminized seeds are more likely to become hermaphrodites. The development of male anthers within the female inflorescence is known as hermaphrodite."

From this study: https://www.researchgate.net/public...m_Feminized_seed_production-A_breeding_effort

Will feminized seeds from good breeders herm

 

[RegularRebel]

Will feminized seeds from good breeders herm

Yes, there is evidence of it in these forums.

What do you mean by "good" breeder? It's a bit subjective. IMO a good breeder will not breed in hermaphroditism, they will breed it out of it shows up. Good breeders only work with regular seeds. Feminized is for the convenience of the grower, an end point that should not be bred further. Hermaphroditism is a last ditch survival effort to continue the species if no male is around that year. It's an act of desperation. Pretty sad.

If you haven't seen the growing conditions, which females your seeds come from and why, their selected prize male and why it was chosen... then you could be paying a premium price for whatever. White label seeds, some pollen chucker with a closet. It's happened before and will happen again. They practically have you blindly paying for products that you dont question at whatever price they set. Whatever the cheapest for them will be and whatever lowest quality you will tolerate for the highest price they can get away with.

A good breeder will offer you a good selection of regular seeds of the top quality, be open and transparent from the start, fair.