Is Paclobutrazol Wp The Same As Bushmaster?

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Edit time ran out....DAM it!

Do you think it would be in the plant after 6 months or more?
This seems hard to believe.
Are there any studies done on this product, or is this just Internet talk.
I looked after you posted and found only hearsay!
I like my proof on paper.
I do know it was banned for being not listed on the bottle.
Most people use it late in flower, that is when it is bad for you.
I was wondering if this WP is different stuff all together.
What does WP mean?
Is this a totally different product? is this why it is called WP
shag
 
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WP is a standard abbreviation in this industry for "wettable powder"


paclo is quite stable in the soil, and may persist for years there depending on pH, rainfall, organic matter content ect. It is readily taken up by the roots and translocated via the xylem to the aerial parts of the plant, accumulating in the plant parts that transpire the most.



http://www.inia.es/gcontrec/pub/621-628_Distribution_in_plant_1251882013000.pdf?q=pbz

"The present study showed that 30 days after PBZ
application, most of PBZ was accumulated in the substrate,
while a low amount was absorbed by the different
plant parts (leaves, stems and roots) (Table 2). At the end
of the experiment the amount of PBZ was mainly accumulated
in the plants, while decreased considerably in the
substrate. The highest accumulation of PBZ took place in
the leaves.A quite important amount of PBZ was leached
into the environment at the end of the experiment which
represents a significant environmental problem


"Studies of the PBZ levels in plant during the experimental
period showed that PBZ was taken up through
the roots and translocated via stems to the leaves, where
it accumulated."

"Lehman et al. (1990) assumed that
PBZ could be stored in perennial plant tissues and was
responsible for long-term growth suppression.
The restrictive effect of PBZ on shoot growth persisted up to
seven months in gardenia (Malorgio et al., 1993), 13
months in Pyracantha (Ruter, 1994), 1 year in native
oleander (Bañón et al., 2001), 2 years in Eucalyptus
globulus
(Hasan and Reid, 1995) and Rhododendron
catawbiense
(Gent, 2004) and 3 years in Mangifera
indica
(Salazar and Vázquez, 1997)."
 
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Thanks to all for your input!
I was going to use it as a spray so it would not stay in the soil.
There seems there is quite a debate on this subject.
Some professional grower still swear by it and smoke their own product, they say.

Special thanks to Quantrill, I feel stupid now WP was easy to figure out, when I knew what to look for.....LOL
Thanks for the article too. good info!
I have since read elsewhere, that lower dosage applied more often will not have such a residual effect.
This is a subject that needs a lot more research to find out more about it.
Thanks again
shag
 
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Thanks to all for your input!
I was going to use it as a spray so it would not stay in the soil.
There seems there is quite a debate on this subject.
Some professional grower still swear by it and smoke their own product, they say.

Special thanks to Quantrill, I feel stupid now WP was easy to figure out, when I knew what to look for.....LOL
Thanks for the article too. good info!
I have since read elsewhere, that lower dosage applied more often will not have such a residual effect.
This is a subject that needs a lot more research to find out more about it.
Thanks again
shag

I've never used it on cannabis mind you, but I can say that foliar application to ornamentals is no where near as effective as root zone. This is because of its lack of phloem mobility. When applied to the foliage it will only be active in the direct area of application.

This lack of phloem mobility is also a reason why you can apply it to fruit trees and fruiting vegetables and not get residue in the harvested fruit. The fruit is sink tissue and it does not transpire much relative to the leaves. Therefore it does not get the goodies that are translocated via the xylem.

If you are determined to use it on a consumable crop, consider soaking the seeds in it prior to planting. This should be the only application you neeed.
 
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Regardless of safety, pbz retards resin and terpene production significantly in favor of yield. You'll end up with massive garbage buds that don't taste right or get you decently high.
Is this more Internet hearsay or can peer reviewed scientific Papers be provided.

Theses forums are full of this kinda stuff getting past around as truth, when it is false.
I am not saying your not telling truth.
I just would like to see the science for my self.
Just cause 1000 people say john is gay (sorry john) does not make it true.

@Quantrill
Thank you!
I am planning on using it as a foliar spray very early in veg.
Like you stated foliar application has a lesser residual effect.
Thanks for the information, sound real, and seems scientific based, I say this cause I have not seen the science for myself.
With that said I will assume it to be truth unless proven otherwise
It does make good sense, but I am interested in looking at some more scientific paperwork on this subject.

I found a scientific paper that states lower dosage of foliar leads to less residue in the plant.
Watered in, it is more effective but has a greater residual effect.
I think we are using it wrong.......Just my opinion.

Thanks all
shag
 
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@suomynona
You said:
why not just grow a good strain of cannabis that has the weight and resin structure you are looking for?

A sativa that grows like an indica with a sativa high???
Where could one find such a plant?
I know I could spend $10,000 on seeds and get something kinda close.


The paper you provided in the link is not about cannabis.
We all know what is true for some plants is not at all true for cannabis.

I have seen peer reviewed science on other plants like Arabidopsis thaliana
that state facts that do not have the same effect on cannabis.
If you use a gibb. inhibitor late you will lose resin production for sure.
I simply suggest use it early, it will wear off and resin production is back to normal.
This is what I have found to be true.
More scientific information may be required.
shag
 
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Its hard to find the papers specific to cannabis due to regulation, or lack of, perhaps?

Wouldnt a plant like super silver haze work for you? She doesnt stretch much really and you can hit upwards of 3 per light of frosty goodness.

But anyway, if you are the only one consuming the product you produce then by all means do what you want to it, but if sharing it i hope that a person would at least inform the end consumer of what was done to grow it. I know not many people are 100% honest but i still have hope!

Good luck with your growing at any rate! Sincerely.
 
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Even my indica dom plants hit ten feet plus in height outdoors. What height restriction are you dealing with?
 
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You said:
why not just grow a good strain of cannabis that has the weight and resin structure you are looking for?

A sativa that grows like an indica with a sativa high???
Where could one find such a plant?
I know I could spend $10,000 on seeds and get something kinda close.
Green crack finishes in 7 weeks, stretches less than 50% and has a pure sativa buzz with a citrus flavor. It's a really common commercial strain that is very easy to come by. I ran an OG/green crack cross that finished greasy and short in 8 weeks but got tossed due to mildew issues. I am now running a blue dream/green crack that that only stretches for 2 weeks and finishes in 8 with a blue dream/orange blossom flavor and no couch lock. It is some of my favorite daytime smoke ever.
 
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3 lbs per light.......careful you are putting you credibility on the line with that statement .
So I feel this leaves much left for debate.
Real professional growers are stating that the Internet talk is mostly hearsay, science has not yet proven.
Most so called facts we find on these forums are not science based.

Thanks for the input!
shag
 
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Oh yea, this is mostly experimental and I hope to have the product tested before use.....and it will only be used by me.
I am really looking for information on the product and the usage of it,
I have read all the warning stuff, mostly Internet hearsay!

Now
Daminozide
(alar)

That is the main reason hydro nutes were banned!
shag
 
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Lol, my credibility!

Real professional growers? And that means? Lol, you are really silly, thanks for the laugh!

I dont care what anyone online, that i do not know IRL, thinks of me. And i certainly dont care if you personally judge my credibility.

Judge away !

The ones here who know me know what i do and know that i dont talk bullshit. Im trying to help you not poison yourself and offered good advice. Take it or leave it.

Use known cancer causing agents on your cannabis or food if you like, but it is really stupid. There is no debating that.

I stand by what i said, grow good strains and you will see there is no reason to poison yourself.

Have a good day!
 
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