issues in coco coir still ;/

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Again don't chase numbers to much... I raise my ph in flower up to about 6.2 your not far off... at this point there is not a lot of new vegetative growth so if your not seeing the plant get worse then imo do NOT mess with it as you likely to create more issues than fix.
i flushed at ph of 5.6 about 4 gallons each through the 2 gallon pots but they had had a smaller flus a few days before also just not with as low ppms, when i was finished the ppm running off was basically what i was puttign in around 200ppm

oh i see, well the amnesia is about to hit week 7 and the gelato about 5.5 weeks in, they did have the first 2+ weeks in flower under a weak led i only seen the female flowers come in when i switched in the dual spectrum 600watt hps 2000 kelvin, could the weak led have delayed flower? if so wil i stil be able to harvest? i am really in a tight spot and wont be able to start a new grow for a whiel so really need to finish these at least. They seemingly were going so weel and looked very healthy and i was regularly checking run off etc it never actually got into lockout territory in both of them onlky 1 of them was running off 1700 at 1 stage and the other and mojority for both 1000-1200 or 800s etc. Thanks again for the help and i hope this all makes sense
 
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i flushed at ph of 5.6 about 4 gallons each through the 2 gallon pots but they had had a smaller flus a few days before also just not with as low ppms, when i was finished the ppm running off was basically what i was puttign in around 200ppm

oh i see, well the amnesia is about to hit week 7 and the gelato about 5.5 weeks in, they did have the first 2+ weeks in flower under a weak led i only seen the female flowers come in when i switched in the dual spectrum 600watt hps 2000 kelvin, could the weak led have delayed flower? if so wil i stil be able to harvest? i am really in a tight spot and wont be able to start a new grow for a whiel so really need to finish these at least. They seemingly were going so weel and looked very healthy and i was regularly checking run off etc it never actually got into lockout territory in both of them onlky 1 of them was running off 1700 at 1 stage and the other and mojority for both 1000-1200 or 800s etc. Thanks again for the help and i hope this all makes sense
Yeah once you get that feeding sorted next run you will see a huge improvement. But if you make it to harvest, learn a bit and have some product then it's a success. Indoor cultivation is not as easy as many ppl think.... its not simply.... it a weed plant it and it grows.. no it is not a weed and no its not that simple. However a simple approach with good practices will pay dividends especially when starting out. The biggest mistake new growers make is "TO MUCH" to much water, to much nutrients, to much light, to much different bottles of unicorn piss and the list goes on. More is usually less in cannabis.... usually takes a grow or 2 to learn that then things get easier
 
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Yeah once you get that feeding sorted next run you will see a huge improvement. But if you make it to harvest, learn a bit and have some product then it's a success. Indoor cultivation is not as easy as many ppl think.... its not simply.... it a weed plant it and it grows.. no it is not a weed and no its not that simple. However a simple approach with good practices will pay dividends especially when starting out. The biggest mistake new growers make is "TO MUCH" to much water, to much nutrients, to much light, to much different bottles of unicorn piss and the list goes on. More is usually less in cannabis.... usually takes a grow or 2 to learn that then things get easier
given the timings of my flower phase should i continue a pk 13/14 feed to help fatten the buds or will this not work? and since i am using canna coco a and b im supposed to us eit in veg and flower but he npk over all is 5-4-3, is this no too much nitrogen for flower in respective ratio? im using golden tree which adds a 0-0- 2 aswell but the first plant in this grow i harvested after saving her life and having to bin another due to huge errors in media managment, i never thought it was going to produce anything but in the end it did, not much and not big butr at least something, these 2 seemingly are going a lot better at least should i be able to expect something at least similar? or is it possible for those white hairs to never fill out? Thank you
 
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given the timings of my flower phase should i continue a pk 13/14 feed to help fatten the buds or will this not work? thanks
Imho PK the way its being used and marketed is the biggest crock of shit on the market. It doesn't help fatten buds one bit. P IMO is needed through veg and stretch as it's accumulated and K is always important but especially late flower. However that doesn't mean we need to flip our nutrient ratios on thier heads which usually cause a LOT more problems.

Sorry rant over. Basically PK the way it's used is absolute bullshit 😁 that's the cold hard truth... truth being relative to what I believe is true lol
 
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Having learned that my girls were over fed from advice on here i flush them and started feeding teh gelato at a ppm range of 400-500 and my amnesia about 600ppm, i notice my run off ppm the next days hitting 1000 again and the next day 1100, i also notices some what i blieve to be interveinal chlorosis possibly appearing more after the flushing etc. either way unhappy with this run ff reading i did a big flush again today now feeding both at about 500 ppm and run off ppm coming out about 400ish and i plan to continue with the low ppm feed currently doing 1 week canna pk 13/14 at about half dose reccomended give or take and running canna coco a and b NPK5-4-3 with humboldts secret golden tree addative NPK 0-0-2, i had been using more part b to account for the extra phospherouys neede di thought but i am now doing both a and b at the same rates. I hope this helps you to work this out as i am unsure. Thanks


~Picture 1 was the 1 taken a few days ago before todays big flush. biggest plant is gelato small is amnesia
Yeah careful with canna , only feed 50% of recommended by feed chart . When I used it I had prob till I figured out how to properly feed with it . I did also use pk13/14 at the begin of week 3 until end of week 4 at 50% . I did good with A&B with canazyme & cal mag then I would run the pk week 3-4 then I like to finish with A&B , canazyme, cal mag and foxfarm cha-ching along with a 3 week flush . That was what worked great for me , I never worry about looking at numbers or checking my run off , I never need to . You just gotta figure out what works for you , what works for me or others may not for you .
 
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Imho PK the way its being used and marketed is the biggest crock of shit on the market. It doesn't help fatten buds one bit. P IMO is needed through veg and stretch as it's accumulated and K is always important but especially late flower. However that doesn't mean we need to flip our nutrient ratios on thier heads which usually cause a LOT more problems.

Sorry rant over. Basically PK the way it's used is absolute bullshit 😁 that's the cold hard truth... truth being relative to what I believe is true lol
cool thanks for the info i had been thinking th same as the pk had not been doing fk all here, my co2 bag has raa out should i get a new 1 asap? just those cheap green plastic bag ones but all of these current issues have only really been about since it ran out sort of time, do you think it could be linked in any way?
 
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Yeah careful with canna , only feed 50% of recommended by feed chart . When I used it I had prob till I figured out how to properly feed with it . I did also use pk13/14 at the begin of week 3 until end of week 4 at 50% . I did good with A&B with canazyme & cal mag then I would run the pk week 3-4 then I like to finish with A&B , canazyme, cal mag and foxfarm cha-ching along with a 3 week flush . That was what worked great for me , I never worry about looking at numbers or checking my run off , I never need to . You just gotta figure out what works for you , what works for me or others may not for you .
were you growing in coco coir?
 
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cool thanks for the info i had been thinking th same as the pk had not been doing fk all here, my co2 bag has raa out should i get a new 1 asap? just those cheap green plastic bag ones but all of these current issues have only really been about since it ran out sort of time, do you think it could be linked in any way?
It depends on the conditions your using it in. If the tent is in a small room sure... or if you don't have a way to ensure 400+ppm then yes. But co2 is really not a must and not going to help much if at all now. I drop my co2 down to 600ppm after about week 6 maybe 7 after the swelling is done.

To see the real benefits of co2 you need a good environment and healthy plants with a high light source. Honestly bro keep it as si.ple as possible for a few grows you will see far better results. 95% of these things that can give a tiny benefit if the plants are very healthy and used properly end up really hurting grows if those aren't met.
 
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It depends on the conditions your using it in. If the tent is in a small room sure... or if you don't have a way to ensure 400+ppm then yes. But co2 is really not a must and not going to help much if at all now. I drop my co2 down to 600ppm after about week 6 maybe 7 after the swelling is done.

To see the real benefits of co2 you need a good environment and healthy plants with a high light source. Honestly bro keep it as si.ple as possible for a few grows you will see far better results. 95% of these things that can give a tiny benefit if the plants are very healthy and used properly end up really hurting grows if those aren't met.
the weird thing to me is that everything seemed pretty good my RH is about 40-50% give or take day and night temp betwean 22-28 degrees c with plenty of air flow with 1 8" extractor, a ground fan and 1 oisscilating and with now a good 600watt hps and a co2 bag, is it normal to have this kind of range and see these results? or is it simply teh over feeding ruining things most likely here? i will add i never topped or did much lst to the gelato and sorry for so many questions but by the pictures and your own personal knowledge how much by and when should i defoliate in flower and can this be a factor inbuds not growing properly? Thanks
 
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the weird thing to me is that everything seemed pretty good my RH is about 40-50% give or take day and night temp betwean 22-28 degrees c with plenty of air flow with 1 8" extractor, a ground fan and 1 oisscilating and with now a good 600watt hps and a co2 bag, is it normal to have this kind of range and see these results? or is it simply teh over feeding ruining things most likely here? i will add i never topped or did much lst to the gelato and sorry for so many questions but by the pictures and your own personal knowledge how much by and when should i defoliate in flower and can this be a factor inbuds not growing properly? Thanks
100% the majority was a feeding issue. That RH won't help either. I mean there are so many things that can be fine tuned that your going to overwhelm yourself. It's your leaf temps that matter most. Basically with a high ppm and warm temps with a low humidity you are already feeding at toxic levels and compounding it by increasing nutrient uptake with a low humidity. I'll link something just so you can understand the relationships of temp and humidity and how it affects the plants... but again this is a guideline so don't go all crazy on it just some information.

I can't stress enough less is more and the harder you push the plants with light the more dialed in things need to be or you create issues. Take it slow man don't try to shoot for Pluto when you haven't yet explored the moon. Less is more just remember that.

Underwatering better than overwatering

To little light better than to much

To little nutrients better than to much

And the list goes on... less is always easier to fix and as far as I can think less damaging to the plant. If you see stress reduce the light a bit until you figure it out the plant will recover faster... just to toss it up again... less is more.

A few threads you may find help you understand some of the moving parts.





 
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were you growing in coco coir?
Yep ! I was over feeding until I realized what was going on. Lots of lessons learned , took a year of growing in coco with canna to really get it dialed in with the genetics I was running at the time.
 
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100% the majority was a feeding issue. That RH won't help either. I mean there are so many things that can be fine tuned that your going to overwhelm yourself. It's your leaf temps that matter most. Basically with a high ppm and warm temps with a low humidity you are already feeding at toxic levels and compounding it by increasing nutrient uptake with a low humidity. I'll link something just so you can understand the relationships of temp and humidity and how it affects the plants... but again this is a guideline so don't go all crazy on it just some information.

I can't stress enough less is more and the harder you push the plants with light the more dialed in things need to be or you create issues. Take it slow man don't try to shoot for Pluto when you haven't yet explored the moon. Less is more just remember that.

Underwatering better than overwatering

To little light better than to much

To little nutrients better than to much

And the list goes on... less is always easier to fix and as far as I can think less damaging to the plant. If you see stress reduce the light a bit until you figure it out the plant will recover faster... just to toss it up again... less is more.

A few threads you may find help you understand some of the moving parts.





i have decided to allow my RH to go higher when lights are off by not putting the heater on until temps drop below 20 c though i could leave it off and it would drop to around 17-18c, is the heater needed or is this temp fine to let it drop to 18c? and is allowing the RH to be in a 55-70% range at night a good idea? Thanks i cant get my RH higher during the lights on phase mucb but i like the lower rh at times to limit the growth of any potential mold etc as teh room the tent is in is not ideally clean
 
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i have decided to allow my RH to go higher when lights are off by not putting the heater on until temps drop below 20 c though i could leave it off and it would drop to around 17-18c, is the heater needed or is this temp fine to let it drop to 18c? and is allowing the RH to be in a 55-70% range at night a good idea? Thanks i cant get my RH higher during the lights on phase mucb but i like the lower rh at times to limit the growth of any potential mold etc as teh room the tent is in is not ideally clean
No you don't want higher RH at night... if anything lower.
 
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No you don't want higher RH at night... if anything lower.
Ok so i think im managing to get about 57-65% rh lights on and should actually be able to lower it at lights off to around 45% give or take! my last question i hope for this topic would be i did actually get these seeds from cannabis i obtained from a friend but the smoke was really good quality and i do know what good is after smoking for almost 20 years and being brought up around the best weed the 90 had to offer, granted i was very young but my mother and father made sure to have the best of the best. Anyway assuming i know what good smoke is and granted its questionable why they had seeds if the smoke was as good as i say it was which is fair probably but there wasnt a load of seeds i got only 3 amnesia and 5 gelato out of several batches and never heard of anyone else finding any, i wanted to know if this means the seeds can produce the same quality bud or close as to what it came from or is it all just pot luck on if you get a good phenotype etc? i will add all the seeds are femal i think that makes them f1s? i am not 100% on that are these seeds possibly why i am not seeing teh size4 buds they could possiby have? Thanks
 
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Ok so i think im managing to get about 57-65% rh lights on and should actually be able to lower it at lights off to around 45% give or take! my last question i hope for this topic would be i did actually get these seeds from cannabis i obtained from a friend but the smoke was really good quality and i do know what good is after smoking for almost 20 years and being brought up around the best weed the 90 had to offer, granted i was very young but my mother and father made sure to have the best of the best. Anyway assuming i know what good smoke is and granted its questionable why they had seeds if the smoke was as good as i say it was which is fair probably but there wasnt a load of seeds i got only 3 amnesia and 5 gelato out of several batches and never heard of anyone else finding any, i wanted to know if this means the seeds can produce the same quality bud or close as to what it came from or is it all just pot luck on if you get a good phenotype etc? i will add all the seeds are femal i think that makes them f1s? i am not 100% on that are these seeds possibly why i am not seeing teh size4 buds they could possiby have? Thanks
Yeah bag seeds are a crap shoot. It depends how far the genetics were taken to stabilize them. But generally speaking they should be close to what you smoked. No way to know how many phenos they may produce or if the seeds were produced by herm or a male pollination, no way would you get bud that was self pollinated though (other than herm). The only sure way to get the exact same bud is to clone.

If they are feminized seeds they will be s1, s2, s3, s4, s5 etc. Depending how far the genetics have been taken. The higher the number for both s and f seeds the less variations among seeds you will see.
 
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Yeah bag seeds are a crap shoot. It depends how far the genetics were taken to stabilize them. But generally speaking they should be close to what you smoked. No way to know how many phenos they may produce or if the seeds were produced by herm or a male pollination, no way would you get bud that was self pollinated though (other than herm). The only sure way to get the exact same bud is to clone.

If they are feminized seeds they will be s1, s2, s3, s4, s5 etc. Depending how far the genetics have been taken. The higher the number for both s and f seeds the less variations among seeds you will see.
sweet thanks for this and doh!¬ S1 not f haha an di am assuming they are 1st gen but i will hav eto ask the guy who originaly grew them and maybe find out. Thanks again ;)
 
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Yeah bag seeds are a crap shoot. It depends how far the genetics were taken to stabilize them. But generally speaking they should be close to what you smoked. No way to know how many phenos they may produce or if the seeds were produced by herm or a male pollination, no way would you get bud that was self pollinated though (other than herm). The only sure way to get the exact same bud is to clone.

If they are feminized seeds they will be s1, s2, s3, s4, s5 etc. Depending how far the genetics have been taken. The higher the number for both s and f seeds the less variations among seeds you will see.
Hi again. Sadly to say i am noticing a lot of seeded bud and not able to start a new grow i was wondering will the buds still fatten out a bit what are there now, or will they each develope a seed in each flower? Have you ever grown out a hermie plant? the bud they came from like i mentioned were nicei see potential for ok buds here just notwure if they will evenb grow now sinc eseeds arethere and actually quite big ones at that considering how long they went undetected. can i fun it all for hash in the end and still end up with something. i m desprate right now and really needed this to help save me some money so bare this in mind please. Thanks
 
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oh and should i stil harvest teh most furthest along so far in order to not pollinate the othe r1 further or will this not mattere unless i see nanners? i did i think see 1 which i removed and so far all i see now is seeds. wondering if that 1 nanner is what pollinated the othe rplant potentially but not sure as there are a few reasons this may hav ehppened here :/
 
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Wow, you had @Aqua Man but I think he's indisposed as of now. Get the Hermie out of the mix. Moo for real.
i have remove dit from the tent is it k to keep it going in teh sam eroom just outside the tent? also will the damage done be ove ror can more seeds still form on he polinated plant? Thansk
 
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